The Official Xbox One Thread

[cmdrdredd]

Of course, but I mean disc-less as in you don't require the media to use the product, its literally just an alternate distribution method. people can still buy a game from a retailer and display the pretty box on a shelf if they so want but the game is digitally authenticated and works without the media present ala steam.

Sony announced their console first but didnt come forward with any details at all until MS did. I've been wondering if Sony had similar plans as MS and then after sitting back and seeing the initial outrage if they changed their mind like MS now have or if they were truly always going to be 100% DRM free etc.

You know...every game will be day one digital on PS4 too? So yeah you can just download everything.

On PS3 for instance you can download a game and anyone with a PSN account on that console can play the game.

I don't see why it'll be any different on the XB1 either. So...this whole "digital future?" it's been here... PS3 has had day one digital games for a long time.

 

[Larnz]

From an IGN poster, I agree with his comments.

Unfortunately this is an example of competition killing innovation. PS4 is status quo while the Xbone was offering new ways of experiencing games. Family sharing, reselling digital downloads, no disc swapping, playing your games on any Xbox anytime anywhere without a disc....all gone. Gamers had a choice this generation....but not any more.

cmdrdredd: Yeah but if you buy it on disc you must keep the disc though right? I'll be buying most of my games on disc to save my internet cap the desolation of huge game downloads, I however don't want to have to go hunting for the disc if i want to play the game later on though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

From an IGN poster, I agree with his comments, I kinda wish MS held firm we would have atleast seen if digital distribution/Rights for consoles worked itself out or not.

You know what? Fuck that...we want control over our purchases plain and simple.

 

[purbeast0]

From an IGN poster, I agree with his comments.



Cmd: Yeah but if you buy it on disc you must keep the disc though right? I'll be buying most of my games on disc to save my internet cap the desolation of huge game downloads, I however don't want to have to go hunting for the disc if i want to play the game later on though.

you can still play games off the hard drive, just download them.

you can play your games on any xbox any time as long as you are on your account and are digital downloads.

instead of selling digital versions of a game, to specific retailers that participate and set the programs, we can now sell our disc based games, to anyone, and also rent them.

family sharing is the only thing that is gone.

 

[Arkaign]

You know what? Fuck that...we want control over our purchases plain and simple.

Yeap, not to mention that Microsoft not fixing the DRM problem was going to lead to LESS competition. Wanna know how? Look at the post-E3 preorder numbers. Microsoft was getting flat murdered. Hard to have a project the size of XB1 with the associated massive investments pay off if your install base + attachment rate is too small. That fails, and bam, billions lost and Microsoft leaves gaming. How's that for choice? Sony wins by default, and it takes a little time for someone to step into Microsoft's shoes as the big rival.

 

[Arkaign]

you can still play games off the hard drive, just download them.

you can play your games on any xbox any time as long as you are on your account and are digital downloads.

instead of selling digital versions of a game, to specific retailers that participate and set the programs, we can now sell our disc based games, to anyone, and also rent them.

family sharing is the only thing that is gone.

Yeah, and a 100-capacity cd sleeve is what, ten bucks? Stick your games in there, it takes a trivial amount of space. Bam.

 

[cmdrdredd]

you can still play games off the hard drive, just download them.

you can play your games on any xbox any time as long as you are on your account and are digital downloads.

instead of selling digital versions of a game, to specific retailers that participate and set the programs, we can now sell our disc based games, to anyone, and also rent them.

family sharing is the only thing that is gone.

Pretty good way of looking at it. Yep...think that covers it.

 

[KaOTiK]

Those angry that the family plan is gone, don't blame everyone that was against the X1's policies, blame MS. They could still have the family plan if they wanted, it would be easy to put in still. Just make it so it only works on digitally bought games and anyone that wants to play one of the games on the family plan has to connect to the internet to verify they can play it.

 

[autoxerke]

Family sharing may not be dead - if MS is smart (all evidence to the contrary) they'll let this whole thing die down for months, then announce that family sharing is a great feature that only they have close to release. Only caveat being that it is for digital download games only (which they'd probably prefer because you can't rent them, have no physical product costs, and will likely have ditched resale of DD games for good).

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea give them some time to rethink how they are going to do it, and it will probably still be back. Since the thing was tied to accounts anyway, there's no reason they can't make it work for digital downloads.

I completely disagree with that IGN post though. No one wants innovation that steps on their toes, and this was trying to cut them off at the ankle. No matter how you try to spin it, everything about what they were doing was about more sales. Don't kid yourself thinking their turnaround was because they had a change of heart.

 

[Dari]

Those angry that the family plan is gone, don't blame everyone that was against the X1's policies, blame MS. They could still have the family plan if they wanted, it would be easy to put in still. Just make it so it only works on digitally bought games and anyone that wants to play one of the games on the family plan has to connect to the internet to verify they can play it.

Yep.

 

[cmdrdredd]

One thing I can't wrap my head around is the question I've seen more than once elsewhere. "Since the xbox one doesn't need to be online now, will the games look worse now?"

I find it very hard to believe there are people that dumb. I guess not...

 

[ImpulsE69]

Of course it will look worse now, no CLOUD to do all the work!! ;p

 

[DaveSimmons]

According to MS, it will now run at 1/4 speed without AwesomeCloud! EEK!

 

[jpiniero]

MS really needs to debundle Kinect and drop the price to $399 at least.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I think the problem was that MS was taking away the the ability to play games offline and the ability to resell games, without offering anything concrete in return. It was a net loss as far as the consumer was concerned.

Now, if they had really done their homework on it, and come up with good ways to use their newfound power, I might have been more receptive. Things like pricing new games at $40 to make up for the limited resale. But they offered nothing, instead they just took away.

This is a victory for gamers, however, its still too expensive. I dont care about Kinect, if I buy a console, it will be for the games.

 

[blurredvision]

Since X1 detractors liked to post this all the time before, figured I'd point it out now:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...s/ref=sv_vg_11

Xbox One on top of pre-order list on Amazon now.

 

[coldmeat]

I think the problem was that MS was taking away the the ability to play games offline and the ability to resell games, without offering anything concrete in return. It was a net loss as far as the consumer was concerned.

Now, if they had really done their homework on it, and come up with good ways to use their newfound power, I might have been more receptive. Things like pricing new games at $40 to make up for the limited resale. But they offered nothing, instead they just took away.

This is a victory for gamers, however, its still too expensive. I dont care about Kinect, if I buy a console, it will be for the games.

How is MS supposed to just come out and say "all games are $40". Do you really expect that to go over well with developers?

People love to compare the XB1 and Steam. As far as I'm concerned, the XB1 was a better deal than Steam. Steam didn't have these great sales from day 1, it took time and developer cooperation to get to the point it's at today. Why is everybody so hostile towards Microsoft for trying basically the same thing?

 

[Ancalagon44]

How is MS supposed to just come out and say "all games are $40". Do you really expect that to go over well with developers?

People love to compare the XB1 and Steam. As far as I'm concerned, the XB1 was a better deal than Steam. Steam didn't have these great sales from day 1, it took time and developer cooperation to get to the point it's at today. Why is everybody so hostile towards Microsoft for trying basically the same thing?

Not my problem, but you see the issue - MS's deal had no benefits for me at all.

Disc based games still go on sale, just like digital downloads.

And frankly, I'm not convinced that MS wanted a Steam-like experience which included sales - they said nothing to indicate that. Think about this - on the PC, there are lots of different ways of getting a game digitally. On the XBO, not so much. Only XBL. Yes, you can buy from a store, but stores have higher operating costs than XBL.

So XBL has less competition than Steam. Now ask yourself, is it in MS's interests to have these sales? I think they would have a hard time convincing bean counters that sales are a good idea - look at what the head of EA said about Steam's sales, that they cheapen the value of IP.

Everyone likes to say that MS wanted to offer a dynamic marketplace that offered sales like Steam did, but MS didnt ever talk about sales or promotions on the marketplace when talking about XBO. I think a lot of people want to believe that MS had the best interests of gamers at heart, but I just dont see evidence for it.

Also note - MS currently has a marketplace where reselling digital downloads is impossible, exactly like Steam. Do you see many sales occurring there? I dont.

MS will still have a marketplace where reselling digital downloads is impossible - theoretically, they can still have such sales. But I dont think they will.

 

[badb0y]

Since X1 detractors liked to post this all the time before, figured I'd point it out now:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...s/ref=sv_vg_11

Xbox One on top of pre-order list on Amazon now.

There are four(4) PS4 SKUs on that list lol...

 

[raasco]

Since X1 detractors liked to post this all the time before, figured I'd point it out now:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...s/ref=sv_vg_11

Xbox One on top of pre-order list on Amazon now.

You may want to pick a better example. Also, I notice PSN cards are in the toe now. Are people dusting off their PS3's in perpetration for the PS4 launch?

 

[sze5003]

Why would it be a surprise that the Xbox is getting a lot more pre orders than it originally did? Its clear that they would loose some money had they kept everything the same. Every company is in for the money, they don't just like to please customers all day but fortunately that's how get to the money.

 

[Dari]

Since X1 detractors liked to post this all the time before, figured I'd point it out now:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...s/ref=sv_vg_11

Xbox One on top of pre-order list on Amazon now.

It was #1 before that announcement...

 

[pathos]

There are four(4) PS4 SKUs on that list lol...

Yeah, xbox 1 had the top spot, but ps4 had 4 (or was it 5?) of the top 10 spots, pushing different game bundles with the console. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that there are probably more ps4 orders than xbox 1 at amazon

Well, I had no intention of buying an xbox 1. Now, I'll probably end up getting one within the first year of launch (still just getting a ps4 at launch though).

We never should have had to deal with this in the first place, but at least they came to the correct decision after much internet rage

 

[Durvelle27]

MS really needs to debundle Kinect and drop the price to $399 at least.

"Microsoft backtracks: unpopular Xbox One DRM policies torn up

But admits to no mistake on pricing, the company has no plans to lower the $499 price tag."

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/indust...ktracks-unpopular-xbox-one-drm-policies-torn/