The Official Xbox One Thread

[Tweak155]

From an IGN poster, I agree with his comments.



cmdrdredd: Yeah but if you buy it on disc you must keep the disc though right? I'll be buying most of my games on disc to save my internet cap the desolation of huge game downloads, I however don't want to have to go hunting for the disc if i want to play the game later on though.

Yeah, they had a choice and chose that they didn't want it... see ya!

Some people call it innovation, others call it dumb as hell. Try and mask it as innovation all you want, MS wanted control.

 

[exdeath]

Since X1 detractors liked to post this all the time before, figured I'd point it out now:

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...s/ref=sv_vg_11

Xbox One on top of pre-order list on Amazon now.

It was like that before the MS DRM change. PS4 preorders got broken up into numerous bundles and other versions

 

[gorcorps]

I'm a little late to the game, but I'm pretty surprised that MS backtracked so quickly. It might change my mind a tad, but price is still a factor. Plus I already have a Vita and a year of PSN+ left at the minimum, and I haven't had Live Gold in years. Tough choice now as I far prefer the xbox controller, and without all this DRM BS I have a hard time choosing between them.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm a little late to the game, but I'm pretty surprised that MS backtracked so quickly. It might change my mind a tad, but price is still a factor. Plus I already have a Vita and a year of PSN+ left at the minimum, and I haven't had Live Gold in years. Tough choice now as I far prefer the xbox controller, and without all this DRM BS I have a hard time choosing between them.

I feel ya. That's why I'll get a ps4 now and it'll be my main console and I'll wait for a few more compelling exclusives (that aren't just games that wont be on ps4 but are coming to PC) and buy an XB1 then. I have already considered the possibility of selling my wiiu and getting an XB1 and buying another wiiu later when there is something to do on it.

 

[Sulaco]

This is very good news. People are smart to be skeptical, but at least it proves the massive backlash had some effect.

That said, it does nothing for the $100 price difference though. Sorry, that's not inconsequential.

Sony still pulling away as far as I'm concerned.

 

[erwos]

Yeah, but at least I see what I'm getting for the hundred bucks. And it does enable some new things when EVERYONE has it, much like the hard drive. We already know The Eye is going to be a dismal failure because it's not bundled; it's basically a guarantee, in fact.

The cross-platform second screen support also has the potential to be really big; my suspicion is that it'll be most successful when devs enable it for a second person (perhaps oriented towards a casual?) to positively influence the game of the primary player. Example: have my wife call artillery strikes on her iPad during DR3.

 

[Dominato3r]

I feel like a lot of games are going to start having the internet be an integral part of the game (Crew, Division, etc). And maybe 5 years down the road almost all AAA titles will. We'll end up with the same restrictions (online req.) and none of the benifits (shared library)

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah, but at least I see what I'm getting for the hundred bucks. And it does enable some new things when EVERYONE has it, much like the hard drive. We already know The Eye is going to be a dismal failure because it's not bundled; it's basically a guarantee, in fact.

The cross-platform second screen support also has the potential to be really big; my suspicion is that it'll be most successful when devs enable it for a second person (perhaps oriented towards a casual?) to positively influence the game of the primary player. Example: have my wife call artillery strikes on her iPad during DR3.

i agree with this. while i am 100% NOT excited for the kinect, and plan on putting it in my closet, i can at least see that microsoft has a direction they were trying to go with the x1 by having it packed in. so now when devs create kinect games, there target customers will be x amount of people who bought the x1. it won't be x-people who dont have kinect. so i can totally understand why they did it, even if i'm not excited for it.

I feel like a lot of games are going to start having the internet be an integral part of the game (Crew, Division, etc). And maybe 5 years down the road almost all AAA titles will. We'll end up with the same restrictions (online req.) and none of the benifits (shared library)

better to have it happen gradually like that than with the flick of a switch like ms was trying to do initially.

at least make the console capable of playing whatever the developers visions are. if they want a single player game that doesn't need any online aspect, then there is no need for it to go online.

if the dev wants to make an online only game that requires the internet to work, then so be it.

just purchase what you want.

 

[lilrayray69]

If I get a console it'll still likely be the PS4. If there's any chance The Last of Us will have a sequel or follow up, or The Last Guardian!, on PS4, that's what I'm getting. PS3 to me had better exclusives.

For me, MS didn't remove another piece of bullshit I'm mad about - the Kinect. I don't want one, don't need one, don't want to pay for one, don't want to set one up, don't want it staring at me and listening to me. I'm guessing that's why Sony is able to undercut them, the Kinect was around $100 and that's how much extra the XBone is set to be. I don't see how it will affect many games, especially since multi-platform games won't be utilizing it much if at all. The only thing that might be cool is if you could use it as a standing mic for online play - but can the Kinect even do that? I have no interest in Kinect based games though, if I really did I'd just play a Wii or play outside

Also I've read some people speculating this may be the last console generation, why is that? Do you think in like 8 years or so they'll be able to do it via cloud computing or switch a more OnLive type approach? Or will the technology accelerate too much for them to keep up with a console?

 

[Dominato3r]

If I get a console it'll still likely be the PS4. If there's any chance The Last of Us will have a sequel or follow up, or The Last Guardian!, on PS4, that's what I'm getting. PS3 to me had better exclusives.

For me, MS didn't remove another piece of bullshit I'm mad about - the Kinect. I don't want one, don't need one, don't want to pay for one, don't want to set one up, don't want it staring at me and listening to me. I'm guessing that's why Sony is able to undercut them, the Kinect was around $100 and that's how much extra the XBone is set to be. I don't see how it will affect many games, especially since multi-platform games won't be utilizing it much if at all. The only thing that might be cool is if you could use it as a standing mic for online play - but can the Kinect even do that? I have no interest in Kinect based games though, if I really did I'd just play a Wii or play outside

Also I've read some people speculating this may be the last console generation, why is that? Do you think in like 8 years or so they'll be able to do it via cloud computing or switch a more OnLive type approach? Or will the technology accelerate too much for them to keep up with a console?

In the Xbox leak from a year ago they are projecting a "streaming only" console three years from now.

 

[Tweak155]

I think the Kinect requirement is an attempt to either close the gap on losses for selling the console or possibly even bring them to a profit point.

I read somewhere the Kinect costs about $55-$65 to make. So if they can pocket another $35 or so by bundling it, over millions of consoles, that's a nice lost gap.

Not stating this as fact, just personal speculation.

 

[dpodblood]

I don't have an issues with the extra $100 really. Obviously that cost is going into the Kinect, and I believe part of it also to support all the cloud infrastructure they've set up. In reality $100 is less than the cost of 2 games so I don't see a big issue there, especially considering these are consoles we'll likely have in our homes for the next 7-8 years. Possibly more.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't have an issues with the extra $100 really. Obviously that cost is going into the Kinect, and I believe part of it also to support all the cloud infrastructure they've set up. In reality $100 is less than the cost of 2 games so I don't see a big issue there, especially considering these are consoles we'll likely have in our homes for the next 7-8 years. Possibly more.

i don't have a problem with the price at all, kinect included or not. i was fully expecting both consoles to be $500 and was shocked when ps4 was only $400. but that isn't a negative for ms at all to me personally since it doesn't affect the expected price of the x1 for me, just a +1 for sony.

considering xbox360 was $400 with a 20gb hdd, and x1 is $500 with a 500gb hdd and kinect, i think it is a totally realistic price.

considering ps3 was $600 with a 60gb hdd and bc, and ps4 is $400 with (not sure of hdd size im sure 500gb at least) and no bc, i think that the ps4 price is a major win in the price war for them.

 

[dpodblood]

I think Sony was so competitive with their price because the initial price of the PS3 was part of the reason the 360 out sold it in the current generation. They would rather sell it at a loss/small profit and take more of the market, therefore making in software sales.

 

[Durvelle27]

i don't have a problem with the price at all, kinect included or not. i was fully expecting both consoles to be $500 and was shocked when ps4 was only $400. but that isn't a negative for ms at all to me personally since it doesn't affect the expected price of the x1 for me, just a +1 for sony.

considering xbox360 was $400 with a 20gb hdd, and x1 is $500 with a 500gb hdd and kinect, i think it is a totally realistic price.

considering ps3 was $600 with a 60gb hdd and bc, and ps4 is $400 with (not sure of hdd size im sure 500gb at least) and no bc, i think that the ps4 price is a major win in the price war for them.

Its a user replaceable 500GB

 

[American Gunner]

I don't have an issues with the extra $100 really. Obviously that cost is going into the Kinect, and I believe part of it also to support all the cloud infrastructure they've set up. In reality $100 is less than the cost of 2 games so I don't see a big issue there, especially considering these are consoles we'll likely have in our homes for the next 7-8 years. Possibly more.

This is so true. While I am not crazy about Kinect, $500 for a machine that I am going to get so much use from is not a problem for me. Plus, all my friends seem to be getting one on day one, so I know I will have plenty of people to play games with. And I really liked the exclusives they have shown, and I am sure there will be more at the various conferences throughout the year.

 

[Tweak155]

I think Sony was so competitive with their price because the initial price of the PS3 was part of the reason the 360 out sold it in the current generation. They would rather sell it at a loss/small profit and take more of the market, therefore making in software sales.

How did 360 outsell PS3? While I'd argue they're pretty much equal, I think in raw numbers PS3 sold more. And given that the 360 was out a year earlier, if they are equal, 360 is really behind.

 

[QuikWgn]

Someone is probably already developing a dongle that will plug into the kinect port to fool the X-Bone into thinking it's connected. It's the same thing we do to fool the ECU's in cars when we remove the catalytic converters to run race exhaust on the street to keep it from throwing check engine codes so we can pass the emissions tests.

 

[exdeath]

Backward compatibility KILLED the PS3 launch. Basically buying two systems.

 

[exdeath]

Someone is probably already developing a dongle that will plug into the kinect port to fool the X-Bone into thinking it's connected. It's the same thing we do to fool the ECU's in cars when we remove the catalytic converters to run race exhaust on the street to keep it from throwing check engine codes so we can pass the emissions tests.

This. And with FPGAs you can do ANYTHING.

Hell a high end FPGA can synthesize an entire XBone console.

Only thing I'm sad about is home brew. I enjoy working on new obscure hardware like SH4, 65816+SPC700, PS2EE+VUs, Cell, etc.

x86 is just so boring and common to me.

 

[basslover1]

Meh, even with this reversal I'm still going PS4 this round. Once I heard about the changes I thought, ok maybe I should put a pre-order in again at Amazon. But then I realized, the fact that they thought they could get away with this crap in the first place, even if now removed, is enough to turn me away from them.

I will admit however, I'm now less "never buy" and a bit more "wait and see how it turns out."

 

[AMDZen]

Its a user replaceable 500GB

Not on the Xbone it's not.

Something that hasn't changed, you still can't replace the HDD in the Xbone, you can on the PS4

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah, but at least I see what I'm getting for the hundred bucks. And it does enable some new things when EVERYONE has it, much like the hard drive. We already know The Eye is going to be a dismal failure because it's not bundled; it's basically a guarantee, in fact.

The cross-platform second screen support also has the potential to be really big; my suspicion is that it'll be most successful when devs enable it for a second person (perhaps oriented towards a casual?) to positively influence the game of the primary player. Example: have my wife call artillery strikes on her iPad during DR3.

They demoed controlling stuff on the ps4 from a tablet too.

In the Xbox leak from a year ago they are projecting a "streaming only" console three years from now.

Streaming entire games never worked and won't work anytime soon at all. With data caps and slow connections all over the country including *gasp* people who can't get broadband. You think backlash against the xb1 was bad...oH boy.

 

[AMDZen]

Also - anyone who thinks the EYE will be a failure just because it's not bundled is a moron. Any game released on both systems will have all the same functionality with the EYE as it does with the Kinect.

And both features will be gimmicky

 

[exdeath]

@ CoD-Zombies renamed.