The Official Xbox One Thread

[Midwayman]

you are thinking "what could they do in current games with voice control that would make the game cooler/better/easier" and i'm thinking "show me something with kinect i've never seen before."

Hmmm... one thing they might do.... I've seen that they can read pulse with the kinect. They can read facial expressions too (I've seen in in screenshots) You could read posture as well to determine the mood of the gamer and generate dynamic difficulty based on how the player is reacting to the game.

I think the coolest thing might be the ability to do real time motion capture for an avatar in online games. Pop into world and have the character do what you do. I'd love to see it, but MS has shot down user generated context before.

 

[cmdrdredd]

this was the image:

That was from last year and most of it came into fruition over the past month

edit; completely forgot about the rumoured AR glasses. That + Division map would be awesome

So I have to buy a bunch of extra gimmicky crap to actually use the thing like they want? You know how stupid that sounds?

 

[AMDZen]

Never Forget

 

[Tweak155]

Hmmm... one thing they might do.... I've seen that they can read pulse with the kinect. They can read facial expressions too (I've seen in in screenshots) You could read posture as well to determine the mood of the gamer and generate dynamic difficulty based on how the player is reacting to the game.

I think the coolest thing might be the ability to do real time motion capture for an avatar in online games. Pop into world and have the character do what you do. I'd love to see it, but MS has shot down user generated context before.

Characters in the game could react to your facial expressions.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Never Forget

Exactly right. They moved the right direction, but what they were trying to do destroys the foundation of the industry. There is a reason Nintendo doesn't give a crap about blocking trading games, and used sales etc. They actually produce content that people enjoy enough to keep and replay. When you let your friend borrow a game and become interested, they may buy it for themselves. The more exposure you can get for your title, the better really. Sony may have thought about it, but they decided to come out publicly and say "you know what? We don't need to DRM it up and do the whole online only thing. That's not cool...we want people to buy our product and be happy with their investment."

Microsoft had to flip their stance. Which is cool...cause now I can buy one later. However, we cannot forget where they want the industry to go and that direction removes all of our rights as consumers.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ the never forget video. don't have sound here at work but i see it has the angry joe/major nelson part. i'm assuming it has to do with the 24h check he did.

i'm glad we have some people on this board who have worked on the xbox1 engineering team and know how "easy" it is for them to change this.

armchair engineers at their finest.

 

[AMDZen]

Wouldn't be hilarious if tons more people preorder Xbone now that they have done their complete XboneEighty - and then 2 weeks after release they just release patch 1.2 and enable all of that DRM again.

I think that would be hilarious.

 

[smackababy]

lol @ the never forget video. don't have sound here at work but i see it has the angry joe/major nelson part. i'm assuming it has to do with the 24h check he did.

i'm glad we have some people on this board who have worked on the xbox1 engineering team and know how "easy" it is for them to change this.

armchair engineers at their finest.

90% of the people on this board haven't touched code in their life, and it is apparent. Removing or revamping any feature in any system is never as easy as "oh, well just remove this method and all gone!"

Wouldn't be hilarious if tons more people preorder Xbone now that they have done their complete XboneEighty - and then 2 weeks after release they just release patch 1.2 and enable all of that DRM again.

I think that would be hilarious.

I would be even more hilarious if people who had nothing better to do than try and troll about a console they have no interest in in a thread dedicated to it stopped letting it consume their lives. We get it; you have accepted Sony, Lord and Savior of Gaming, into your heart. We don't need to hear your born again garbage in every thread. You don't want an Xbox One, or anything to do with it, great! Don't buy one then and stop talking about it so much.

 

[purbeast0]

it would also be hilarious if you stopped trolling but we all know that won't happen.

 

[purbeast0]

90% of the people on this board haven't touched code in their life, and it is apparent. Removing or revamping any feature in any system is never as easy as "oh, well just remove this method and all gone!"

well that is besides the point. who even knows how far along the drm implementation was, or if it had even started? and even if it was already implemented 100%, just because they announced the 180 doesn't mean they went and did it IMMEDIATELY and now it is 100% gone.

the console isn't even out for 5 months ffs.

but you are right, i'm sure most people on this board don't even have a clue about development.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I do, so you can stuff it. Guarantee, just by knowing how they planned to use it and the info that came out, it was no grand million lines of code they had to sift through. It had to be readily changeable. I don't imagine Larry knew that though because he's not a coder.

 

[smackababy]

well that is besides the point. who even knows how far along the drm implementation was, or if it had even started? and even if it was already implemented 100%, just because they announced the 180 doesn't mean they went and did it IMMEDIATELY and now it is 100% gone.

the console isn't even out for 5 months ffs.

but you are right, i'm sure most people on this board don't even have a clue about development.

There had already been conflicting reports of how long the check actually was, so I doubt it was finalized. Removing it doesn't seem so hard, but then you have to add functions to anything else that relied on internet connectivity, or assumed it was even there. The hard part would be implementing all of the old DRM into the console that wasn't there before.

 

[purbeast0]

There had already been conflicting reports of how long the check actually was, so I doubt it was finalized. Removing it doesn't seem so hard, but then you have to add functions to anything else that relied on internet connectivity, or assumed it was even there. The hard part would be implementing all of the old DRM into the console that wasn't there before.

yeah but don't worry, we have some ms engineers on this board who have worked on it because they know how easy it is to "code" it.

 

[purbeast0]

I do, so you can stuff it. Guarantee, just by knowing how they planned to use it and the info that came out, it was no grand million lines of code they had to sift through. It had to be readily changeable. I don't imagine Larry knew that though because he's not a coder.

the fact that you wrote the bolded pretty much guarantees me that you have 0 dev experience.

but thanks for playing!

 

[cmdrdredd]

I do, so you can stuff it. Guarantee, just by knowing how they planned to use it and the info that came out, it was no grand million lines of code they had to sift through. It had to be readily changeable. I don't imagine Larry knew that though because he's not a coder.

Yeah, seriously. The whole point isn't how "hard" it would be to change. It's that they got angry about it and confrontational when asked about it. Then the one guy (forget his name) who said "we won't change anything at this point" Only took a few days for that to go poof.

At least now we don't have to see d-bag employee twitter pages littered with insults to people who dislike their policies. "Go get a 360 if you want to be offline" lol

The biggest problem I saw though is how nobody who worked at MS actually knew details of how these plans worked. They couldn't come out and say "it goes like this" which is kind of strange to me that they wouldn't have sat down and briefed the staff on it.

 

[pathos]

Let me state up front, as I've posted before, before this announcement, you'd have had to pay me to by an xb1. Now, I still will be buying a ps4 at launch, and no xb1, but I will eventually get an xb1. Perhaps it might not even be that long after release. I no longer have a reason to just stay away like I did before.

but, some random thoughts.

Why would you need to change it if you can plug in an external drive?

Because hard drives die? I've personally had my original 60gig hard drive in my ps3 go out, so I was able to replace it with a new 250 gig that I bought for cheap online. Having no access to the hard drive, or having to buy a proprietary drive (with the price jacked up) isn't a deal breaker. It is, however, a minus. It personally wouldn't stop from buying a system for this (i bought a 360). It would, however make me roll my eyes.

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Also, thoughts on kinnect - I've seen arguments around the web about the fact that making the kinnect mandatory would encourage more developers to actually use it. But, you know, if they package a kinnect 2 in every xb1 sale, but didn't make it mandatory to have it plugged in....then every developer would know that every xb1 owner out there has a kinnect 2, whether they normally use it or not. And, they can develop for the kinnect without making their target demographic smaller. I don't get where forcing people to use something they don't want to use can be considered a good thing.

Or, to state it another way, whether I have a kinnect or not, whether I'm forced to have it plugged in or not....if you make a game that emphasizes using the kinnect...I probably wont buy it. So, why force me to have it plugged in?

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thoughts adding multi-player elements into single player games, thereby forcing you to be online to play "single player" games (not really single player anymore, I guess). I mention this, simply because it has gotten at least a little discussion here, not because I believe all xb1 or ps4 games will have this.

This actually reminds me of one of my posts in the civ 5 thread, in the pc forum.

I play multi player games...mostly mmo's though. I play single player games (mostly rpg's). I play some games that have both (mostly fighters, although occasionally a game that has coop of some kind).

I normally don't like what developers do to "enhance" a normally single player experience by adding "online" functionality. Like, having announcements in game about what my friends are doing, letting in random griefers come in to give me a hard time while I'm trying to play, or introducing lag into a "single player" eperience because the internet is having a bad day. These things don't have value to me in a single player game. I'm playing single player games because I don't want to deal with any of that.

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I guess, if I had to sum up my whole post, a lot of what people claim to be innovation, really falls back into being a lack of choice. People don't normally like to be told what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. And, they certainly don't like to be told all that by someone who is asking for their money.

edit - oh, about the ps3 sales versus 360 sales.

At launch, as I recall, the 360 was actually out selling the ps3, and fairly well too. I believe some of it had to do with the library of games both had, and some of it had to do with the cost of the ps3 vs the 360. I even remember there were some dual release games early on that looked better on the 360 than they did on the ps3.

Eventually though, and i believe it was after a year or so, the ps3 started catching up. And, perhaps has now outsold the 360?

Well, thats all if my memory is actually correct. Which I'm to lazy to actually go back and research

 

[ImpulsE69]

the fact that you wrote the bolded pretty much guarantees me that you have 0 dev experience.

but thanks for playing!

LMAO you realize I used "grand" as an adjective right? But thanks for assuming you have a clue of which you speak.

But on that note, I think I'm done. It's pretty much a "hey guys you don't like the xbox one you must be sony fanboys" argument at this point because that's really the only retorts that come back. The "it doesn't come out for 6 months' is a cop out as well. I realized, it's just 2 people who more or less just do not get it and considering MS about-faced on the things I was concerned about, then I really have no more to say on the subject. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out. I think part of me (and others) that were posting here were hoping to at least throw some common sense into the discussion, but I see that isn't going to happen because we're just "fanboys". (of a product I never owned).

 

[purbeast0]

LMAO you realize I used "grand" as an adjective right? But thanks for assuming you have a clue of which you speak.

no i was talking about your line about not sifting through millions of lines of code.

 

[ImpulsE69]

no i was talking about your line about not sifting through millions of lines of code.

Guarantee they didn't have to. Since we don't know how much code there was, I threw out a random exagerrated number. Still though who knows point being, unless they have really bad coders, it wouldn't be as hard as you are trying to pretend it would be.

 

[purbeast0]

Guarantee they didn't have to. Since we don't know how much code there was, I threw out a random exagerrated number. Still though who knows point being, unless they have really bad coders, it wouldn't be as hard as you are trying to pretend it would be.

so why is it okay for others, who have no clue how it's engineered, to say how easy it is to do, but it's not okay for me, who has no clue how it's engineered, to say it's hard? you are going in circles.

and if you read my posts, i never once said it was hard. i simply said the people claiming it is easy have absoulutely no clue how hard/easy it is to do, and how much of it has already been implemented, or if it is 100% complete or 100% incomplete.

it doesn't matter where in development it is as far as it's ready in 5 months.

and it's painfully obvious that people making these claims have absolutely no development experience, such as yourself.

 

[Dominato3r]

So I have to buy a bunch of extra gimmicky crap to actually use the thing like they want? You know how stupid that sounds?

No... My understanding is that this would be a much much cheaper box that would focus on online content only. The functionality could be updated into existing X1's

 

[cmdrdredd]

No... My understanding is that this would be a much much cheaper box that would focus on online content only. The functionality could be updated into existing X1's

Problem is...data caps, slow internet, unreliable hubs and servers along the chain, high ping times adding latency etc etc

 

[AMDZen]

I would be even more hilarious if people who had nothing better to do than try and troll about a console they have no interest in in a thread dedicated to it stopped letting it consume their lives. We get it; you have accepted Sony, Lord and Savior of Gaming, into your heart. We don't need to hear your born again garbage in every thread. You don't want an Xbox One, or anything to do with it, great! Don't buy one then and stop talking about it so much.

You still don't realize that I would be all about it now with the only holdups being the Kinect and replaceable HDD. The latter of which isn't as big a deal. If they remove the former, I might buy an Xbone the same as you fanboys that are licking it off of MS's toes.

Its people like me that made the XboneEighty happen. You should be happy that "trolls" such as I and every other gamer who have supported Xbox since the real Xbone made that happen. We all trolled the fuck out of MS and made this shift happen. It makes me even more happy that naive people are actually unhappy that they made the change, thinking the prior DRM was a move to the future.

I can guess each of your political leanings too based on how you love that a corporation has control of what you do and how you think.

 

[BoberFett]

90% of the people on this board haven't touched code in their life, and it is apparent. Removing or revamping any feature in any system is never as easy as "oh, well just remove this method and all gone!"

Clearly you've never touched real code in your life either, N00bius Maximus.

"DERP AZURE WILL NEVER SHUT DOWN DERP!!! GAMES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOREVER BECAUSE AZURE!! DERP!!!"

Let me guess, you wrote some crappy Hello World program after reading VB for Dummies and think you're a developer?

I started as a developer 20 years ago, and have been a managing developer, and now a department manager. If anybody wrote a check that took more than two weeks to disable from start to finish, including the change request, development, regression testing, and check in, I'd fire their incompetent asses on the spot.

I would be even more hilarious if people who had nothing better to do than try and troll about a console they have no interest in in a thread dedicated to it stopped letting it consume their lives. We get it; you have accepted Sony, Lord and Savior of Gaming, into your heart. We don't need to hear your born again garbage in every thread. You don't want an Xbox One, or anything to do with it, great! Don't buy one then and stop talking about it so much.

You're a grade-A douchebag. I'm glad your whiny ass won't be getting what you wanted.

 

[smackababy]

You still don't realize that I would be all about it now with the only holdups being the Kinect and replaceable HDD. The latter of which isn't as big a deal. If they remove the former, I might buy an Xbone the same as you fanboys that are licking it off of MS's toes.

Its people like me that made the XboneEighty happen. You should be happy that "trolls" such as I and every other gamer who have supported Xbox since the real Xbone made that happen. We all trolled the fuck out of MS and made this shift happen. It makes me even more happy that naive people are actually unhappy that they made the change, thinking the prior DRM was a move to the future.

I can guess each of your political leanings too based on how you love that a corporation has control of what you do and how you think.

Sure you can buddy. We've already went over that HDDs don't fail nearly often enough to cry about it, and you can use an external HDD. I would be very surprised if you can't use a NAS.

There is nothing naive about wanting actually convenience from PC. But go ahead and keep crying DRM. Sony will take your money, and had you an online activation code as well.

You are the epitome of the people who cried the hardest about Steam actually taking a step forward and now can't get off their cock about sales.

That's okay though. Enjoy your rootkits and getting sued if you happen to modify your PS4 in any way Sony doesn't like. In a few years when everything is DD, you will change your tune and be all about Sony's new DD store and model.