The Official Xbox One Thread

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smackababy

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what question? about other fighters there? you seem to be the one concerned about the other fighters so you can go get the gamelist from e3 if you care that much. i was pointing out that link just because it was more positive feedback for the game while there really has been absolutely no negative feedback. that is a good sign.

aahhh it's hilarious how you hate to see people getting excited about the xbox1.

Well, it seems like nobody disliked KI at e3, and that is a really good sign.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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what question? about other fighters there? you seem to be the one concerned about the other fighters so you can go get the gamelist from e3 if you care that much. i was pointing out that link just because it was more positive feedback for the game while there really has been absolutely no negative feedback. that is a good sign.

aahhh it's hilarious how you hate to see people getting excited about the xbox1.

No I just hate how you always dodge direct criticism and questions about it. I was simply asking if there was any other fighters there. None of the sites I visit mentioned a single one besides KI. So...you know I was wondering.

Geeze you are too defensive
 

QuikWgn

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i'm actually shocked by all of the conspiracy theories still going on. i was in an email chain with my old coworkers and like 2 out of 4 are seriously 100% positive that the nsa is going to be watching the kinects on x1. even though you can have it turned off, not connected to online. i thought it was only stupid people on the internet, but it's spilling over to real life! maybe that is why they are still at that awful place working!

It's just like people saying that it was all MS's doing to allow Skype conversations to be intercepted and monitored, when it really happened long before MS ever acquired Skype. You can find info online under "Project Chess". If Obama wants to watch me and the old lady get freaky on Skype when one of us is away I hope he's got a lot of popcorn...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/20/skype-nsa-access-user-data
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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No I just hate how you always dodge direct criticism and questions about it. I was simply asking if there was any other fighters there. None of the sites I visit mentioned a single one besides KI. So...you know I was wondering.

Geeze you are too defensive

lol you weren't criticizing anything. you just mad that an xbox1 game is getting positive feedback and there aren't really any ps4 exclusives that are getting much.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
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lol you weren't criticizing anything. you just mad that an xbox1 game is getting positive feedback and there aren't really any ps4 exclusives that are getting much.

Yeah...cause I'll never buy an xb1 right? You got it all figured out. By the way...pretty much all the ps4 exclusives are getting good praise by people who played them.
 

Skel

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i'm actually shocked by all of the conspiracy theories still going on. i was in an email chain with my old coworkers and like 2 out of 4 are seriously 100% positive that the nsa is going to be watching the kinects on x1. even though you can have it turned off, not connected to online. i thought it was only stupid people on the internet, but it's spilling over to real life! maybe that is why they are still at that awful place working!

Maybe I'm getting more jaded with this kind of crap, but it's really annoying the more people keep telling me I'm going to be watched. It's even worse when none of them really stop and think about how many cameras are already in their life. I've cameras on every laptop in my house (which is currently around 6 between my work ones and personal), my tablets (both of them) have cameras on them that could be turned on at anytime... not to mention my cell phone. Hell my Samsung TV has a camera on it that could watch me watch it. I am, however also a bit more proactive about cameras in my house though. Any camera that I don't like watching me is taped over. My current Kinect has the following already on it, mostly for dust mind you. They'll make a updated version for the new one.

http://www.amazon.com/Pritect-Sensor...s=kinect+cover

Bottom line, if you're convinced that everyone's going to be watching you then just cover the damn lens.. and then take a moment and look at all the other crap that's watching you..
 

smackababy

Lifer
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Yeah...cause I'll never buy an xb1 right? You got it all figured out. By the way...pretty much all the ps4 exclusives are getting good praise by people who played them.

But, are the people who played these PS4 exclusives completely objective. I would find it very hard for someone to play Drive Club and then Forza 5, and not like Forza 5 over Drive Club. I am not saying Drive Club is bad, but from the looks of it, it isn't anywhere near the level of Forza or GT. The people praising KI have no ties to MS or Sony and don't have anything competing, well some actually do. I can bet you Mike Z (who created SkullGirls) would praise KI if it was good. The FCG doesn't care about brand loyalty or console wars or any of that crap. They care about good, balanced, competitive fighting games and KI looks like it is working towards being that.
 

cmdrdredd

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But, are the people who played these PS4 exclusives completely objective. I would find it very hard for someone to play Drive Club and then Forza 5, and not like Forza 5 over Drive Club. I am not saying Drive Club is bad, but from the looks of it, it isn't anywhere near the level of Forza or GT. The people praising KI have no ties to MS or Sony and don't have anything competing, well some actually do. I can bet you Mike Z (who created SkullGirls) would praise KI if it was good. The FCG doesn't care about brand loyalty or console wars or any of that crap. They care about good, balanced, competitive fighting games and KI looks like it is working towards being that.

I'm talking about people who attended e3 liking knack, infamous, killzone, and yes drive club. Giving the game praise doesn't mean you say its the best game there or whatever. People play it and say its pretty fun and they liked it. That's all. Just like people said they liked titanfall or forza too.
 

Midwayman

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I stopped at "when you buy a used game you are hurting the developer much more than in other industries". Anyone who thinks this has nothing to say I'm interested in. Guess they should quit bleeding money on semi crap games. Good games sell. Period. Used games drive the market.

Actually its true just from how game sales typically work and the life span of games. Short version is that games have a much shorter window than other similar forms of media. A game is old 6 months after release. That's not true of movies and music. The heavy churn of used games at places like gamestop in the first month or two is what really kill them. After that its not such a big deal.
 

railven

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Actually its true just from how game sales typically work and the life span of games. Short version is that games have a much shorter window than other similar forms of media. A game is old 6 months after release. That's not true of movies and music. The heavy churn of used games at places like gamestop in the first month or two is what really kill them. After that its not such a big deal.

I don't find this true at all. Movies/Music all have a similar short window, the big difference is while movies/music are expanding their avenues for revenues, games seem in a rush to quell them.

Digital purchases mean a lot. Where can you buy digital games from on Consoles? Oh, right only from Sony/Microsoft. There is no incentive for competition.

Price is also a huge factor. 6 months from now a movie is considerd old and gets a price cut, sometimes even bundled with another, music is dirt cheap from the start, price cuts are usually more along of combo paks. Games? Still $60 in 6 months unless the game sold horrible at launch, maybe $40...maybe?

The gaming industry has become the biggest greedy pigs I've seen in years. First they are crying lost revenues on pirates, now used games, what's next? Gamers aren't buying enough DLC?

Look at how they've changed their format. Use to drop $50 for a game, you'd get a game start to end. Now you already know there is $10 DLC coming, some of that DLC launches along side the game, some of that DLC is directly marketed to you in the game.

Yet they are still hemorrhaging money?

Ha.
 

BoberFett

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not the way it's implemented in the nemo game. stuff is actually going on while you are away on the server.

Unless outside actors are operating on that data while you're not playing (such as in MMOs) the missed time can be quickly simulated on the client at load. There's no need to have it running in real time on a remote server. That's a waste of CPU power.
 

smackababy

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Unless outside actors are operating on that data while you're not playing (such as in MMOs) the missed time can be quickly simulated on the client at load. There's no need to have it running in real time on a remote server. That's a waste of CPU power.

For that game, I agree. Using a server to "calculate" such nonsense is a waste of a perfectly good server. However, the idea that content can be persistent and possibly be manipulated by multiple people at any time, could produce some good things. Games like D3 and WoW already validate pretty much all client actions against their servers, which is good for anti cheating. While, not applicable in every game, it does open possibilities.

The real problem is, games that rely on such technology wouldn't be available offline.
 

purbeast0

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Unless outside actors are operating on that data while you're not playing (such as in MMOs) the missed time can be quickly simulated on the client at load. There's no need to have it running in real time on a remote server. That's a waste of CPU power.

yes i know how math works

but it is doing stuff remotely. you can view other peoples reefs as well so it's not just you who is viewing it and seeing what is going on on it.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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For that game, I agree. Using a server to "calculate" such nonsense is a waste of a perfectly good server. However, the idea that content can be persistent and possibly be manipulated by multiple people at any time, could produce some good things. Games like D3 and WoW already validate pretty much all client actions against their servers, which is good for anti cheating. While, not applicable in every game, it does open possibilities.

The real problem is, games that rely on such technology wouldn't be available offline.

that isn't really a problem though. just make online a requirement. turned out pretty good for wow heh.
 

smackababy

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that isn't really a problem though. just make online a requirement. turned out pretty good for wow heh.

Games that require that "must be online to play" have an extra barrier of entry, because you have to pay for XBL. And, as is always the case, you have people who will scream and cry about it requiring always online (see D3). Now, that didn't hurt sales, but MS apparently caves to whiners. Blizzard and Valve don't.
 

thecapsaicinkid

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I really wanted the ability to buy cheap physical discs at retail a few months after release and then link them to my account for diskless play. Now the only way to get that feature is to buy directly from MS online at shitty Games on Demand prices where there's no competition. 2013 and we have another 8 years ahead of us of poking fragile optical discs in drives every time you want to play something. I'd convert back to PC gaming if certain genres were better represented.
 

sze5003

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I really wanted the ability to buy cheap physical discs at retail a few months after release and then link them to my account for diskless play. Now the only way to get that feature is to buy directly from MS online at shitty Games on Demand prices where there's no competition. 2013 and we have another 8 years ahead of us of poking fragile optical discs in drives every time you want to play something. I'd convert back to PC gaming if certain genres were better represented.

MS could do it. They first said there was no way to remove the drm and then they did. And if the 360 allowed installing of games I don't see why this system won't either. It's not like you have 4 disc games like shenmue in dreamcast where you have to get up to change CD.
 

ImpulsE69

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Games that require that "must be online to play" have an extra barrier of entry, because you have to pay for XBL. And, as is always the case, you have people who will scream and cry about it requiring always online (see D3). Now, that didn't hurt sales, but MS apparently caves to whiners. Blizzard and Valve don't.

LMAO troll much? While D3 sold better than it should have, their sales were definitely hurt considering the popularity of the franchise. The problem is it's hard to get numbers from that since the majority of people think D3 is just bad to begin with.

Also, MS stands to lose a heck of a lot more money considering it's a console not just a single game.

Even your beloved family sharing was a sham. You can quit trying to act like everyone in the world was wrong. The consumers were right, MS was wrong. Case closed.
 

RedRooster

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MS could do it. They first said there was no way to remove the drm and then they did. And if the 360 allowed installing of games I don't see why this system won't either. It's not like you have 4 disc games like shenmue in dreamcast where you have to get up to change CD.

I can't see how diskless play would work now with them allowing used games though? They do have some smart people though, who knows.
That's a huge feature for me too, I agree with thecapsaicinkid. That would be awesome to just jump from game to game to game. And Games on Demand in its current state, isn't even close to being a valid method for doing that.
 

thecapsaicinkid

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MS could do it. They first said there was no way to remove the drm and then they did. And if the 360 allowed installing of games I don't see why this system won't either. It's not like you have 4 disc games like shenmue in dreamcast where you have to get up to change CD.
There's no way the One will allow you to install games and play without the disc. This is what irks me about people screaming the Xbox One had DRM and now has none and that the PS3/4/360 also have none. If I install a game to my 360's hard drive in its entirety it will still require me to put the disc in to ensure I still own it. This is DRM. Checking via an online check is no more DRM than checking the disc. Both are DRM. One is checking the disc for a license, the other is checking my account online. I have no problem with people taking the stance that ALL DRM is bad, fine. I'm a Linux using hippy, I can see where you're coming from. But it's absolute bullshit telling me that checking an online keystore is evil phoning home/treating gamers like criminals DRM and yet doing the exact same check locally is somehow perfectly ok. By asking for the disc when all the files are present on the drive is effectively say, 'I don't trust you still own this game, show me the disc you dirty little criminal.'
 

purbeast0

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i guess since i don't game on pc at all i just don't see what the HHUUUGGGEEEE deal about being able to store games on the hdd and not have to use discs is. it literally takes about 10 seconds to swap a disc. sure, the hdd is more convenient, but is there more to it than just saving 10 seconds here or there?
 

smackababy

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LMAO troll much? While D3 sold better than it should have, their sales were definitely hurt considering the popularity of the franchise. The problem is it's hard to get numbers from that since the majority of people think D3 is just bad to begin with.

Also, MS stands to lose a heck of a lot more money considering it's a console not just a single game.

Even your beloved family sharing was a sham. You can quit trying to act like everyone in the world was wrong. The consumers were right, MS was wrong. Case closed.

D3 sold 14.5 million copies to date, and 1.5 million were from the WoW annual promotion. If that is "sales were hurt" then D3 would have broken every record in the gaming industry otherwise.

What is a sham about family sharing? It would have been a great feature. People bitch about no demos because 90% of games don't have them. This allowed everyone to have a demo of every game. The "consumers were right" about Steam too... Oh wait, nope they weren't. Steam is now beloved by everyone that uses it, despite being DRM relying on a company being profitable for you to keep your games.
 

railven

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I can't see how diskless play would work now with them allowing used games though? They do have some smart people though, who knows.
That's a huge feature for me too, I agree with thecapsaicinkid. That would be awesome to just jump from game to game to game. And Games on Demand in its current state, isn't even close to being a valid method for doing that.

Make that option online only. Done.

"To continue using the diskless feature, you will be required to validate ownership by checking online once every 24 hours."

When you set up diskless usage:

"To use this feature we require a persistant online connection to validate onwership. If you are okay with this, press start to continue."

During down time:
"We've noticed you don't have an online connection, please insert your original disc to validate ownership and continue playing, if you can not do this your game will save and stop functioning until you can either provide the original disc for validation or connect back to the MSFT network for validation."


This isn't brain surgery. For whatever reason the brilliant minds at MSFT can't figure this out..."oh piracy, you can hack it." Well if you're going to be hacking it any ways nothing they can do will stop you. But this is a working system for people who aren't pirates and what the options."
 
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