Imagine if every time you wanted to open a different program on your PC, you had to swap the discs. That would be completely moronic. Yes, no disc swapping is a convenience. One people are willing to give up for DRM.
i guess since i don't game on pc at all i just don't see what the HHUUUGGGEEEE deal about being able to store games on the hdd and not have to use discs is. it literally takes about 10 seconds to swap a disc. sure, the hdd is more convenient, but is there more to it than just saving 10 seconds here or there?
There's no way the One will allow you to install games and play without the disc. This is what irks me about people screaming the Xbox One had DRM and now has none and that the PS3/4/360 also have none. If I install a game to my 360's hard drive in its entirety it will still require me to put the disc in to ensure I still own it. This is DRM. Checking via an online check is no more DRM than checking the disc. Both are DRM. One is checking the disc for a license, the other is checking my account online. I have no problem with people taking the stance that ALL DRM is bad, fine. I'm a Linux using hippy, I can see where you're coming from. But it's absolute bullshit telling me that checking an online keystore is evil phoning home/treating gamers like criminals DRM and yet doing the exact same check locally is somehow perfectly ok. By asking for the disc when all the files are present on the drive is effectively say, 'I don't trust you still own this game, show me the disc you dirty little criminal.'
Imagine if every time you wanted to open a different program on your PC, you had to swap the discs. That would be completely moronic. Yes, no disc swapping is a convenience. One people are willing to give up for DRM.
Imagine if every time you wanted to open a different program on your PC, you had to swap the discs. That would be completely moronic. Yes, no disc swapping is a convenience. One people are willing to give up for DRM.
i guess since i don't game on pc at all i just don't see what the HHUUUGGGEEEE deal about being able to store games on the hdd and not have to use discs is. it literally takes about 10 seconds to swap a disc. sure, the hdd is more convenient, but is there more to it than just saving 10 seconds here or there?
Why does Kinect have to be plugged in if you never plan on using it? I mean I understand them bundling it with every console but why require it to be connected?
So what happens when I install a disc in online mode and give it to my friend who is permanently offline?Make that option online only. Done.
"To continue using the diskless feature, you will be required to validate ownership by checking online once every 24 hours."
When you set up diskless usage:
"To use this feature we require a persistant online connection to validate onwership. If you are okay with this, press start to continue."
During down time:
"We've noticed you don't have an online connection, please insert your original disc to validate ownership and continue playing, if you can not do this your game will save and stop functioning until you can either provide the original disc for validation or connect back to the MSFT network for validation."
This isn't brain surgery. For whatever reason the brilliant minds at MSFT can't figure this out..."oh piracy, you can hack it." Well if you're going to be hacking it any ways nothing they can do will stop you. But this is a working system for people who aren't pirates and what the options."
I don't find this true at all. Movies/Music all have a similar short window, the big difference is while movies/music are expanding their avenues for revenues, games seem in a rush to quell them.
The issue isn't swapping disks. I put all my games on my original Xbox hd, and same with my PS2. It's nice, so I understand that. The issue is exactly that though, I could sell those games and still have them on my hd. That is the ONLY reason for everything else they were trying to do. There is no way for them to guarantee you aren't installing your games and selling your games w/o it constantly being connected to the internet (or a disc check). Personally a disk check is a small price to pay to be able to sell my unwanted games, trade with friends, or rent.
And to me, the small price for not needing a disc is the ability to sell my games and trade them.
And to me, the small price for not needing a disc is the ability to sell my games and trade them.
i guess since i don't game on pc at all i just don't see what the HHUUUGGGEEEE deal about being able to store games on the hdd and not have to use discs is. it literally takes about 10 seconds to swap a disc. sure, the hdd is more convenient, but is there more to it than just saving 10 seconds here or there?
They were up in arms over the mandatory 24 hour check which for (a large majority) of people IS an issue.
I think this is the case for many console gamers. They haven't experienced steam, in all of its glory (I love it). So the over-arching design of the XB1 seemed foreign and scary. Swapping discs just feels outdated to me now. I'm also not a collector of boxes/manuals, so the transition was easier for me. But to each his own.
I think this is the case for many console gamers. They haven't experienced steam, in all of its glory (I love it). So the over-arching design of the XB1 seemed foreign and scary. Swapping discs just feels outdated to me now. I'm also not a collector of boxes/manuals, so the transition was easier for me. But to each his own.
Large majority? Really? 'Cause I literally know nobody who that would be an issue for. Especially people who spend a lot of time on the internet complaining about it. It was all hypothetical 'what if I lose internet, but not power from some freak storm that may or may not ever happen' or the tired 'But think of the troops!' BS. Or was that an more an issue in principal than it actually would ever inconvenience anyone?
So what happens when I install a disc in online mode and give it to my friend who is permanently offline?
So what happens when I install a disc in online mode and give it to my friend who is permanently offline?
Large majority? Really? 'Cause I literally know nobody who that would be an issue for. Especially people who spend a lot of time on the internet complaining about it. It was all hypothetical 'what if I lose internet, but not power from some freak storm that may or may not ever happen' or the tired 'But think of the troops!' BS. Or was that an more an issue in principal than it actually would ever inconvenience anyone?
If you can't see how it is an issue, trying to explain it at this point isn't worth anyone's effort anymore.
Stuff like this is why they can't commit to a dual mode authentication right off the bat. At a minimum every game would need to check when installed. It would see if they key was in use. If someone had installed it before it could refuse to install unless the key was released from a console. Effectively making it just a variable length check in.