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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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I agree, it's just that willful stupidity offends me!
That’s because you confuse willful with ‘on cue as per programming’. Nobody is willfully ignorant without motivation to avoid some unpleasant experience and those were all created by memories of ego threat in the past. In fact you believe as you do because you have a need to avoid the unpleasantness, are willfully ignorant of any truth of your actual condition might bring as I present you with the facts. May I assume you will remain willfully ignorant of this and continue to maintain others exercise conscious choice?
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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In fact you believe as you do because you have a need to avoid the unpleasantness, are willfully ignorant of any truth of your actual condition might bring as I present you with the facts.
I would say that you are presenting your opinion there which I may, or may not, agree with.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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I would say that you are presenting your opinion there which I may, or may not, agree with.
Does anyone posting here mention what you just suggested more than I do. At times I do fail to so state. My apologies.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
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He missed the r at the beginning there.
I do not understand what you mean.

I just posted because it seemed to me a person was defending himself because he had done 4 years in the Army which would be no defense at all if he were stating a true fact but had served as a traitor.

That was the only point I wanted to make. I could have added that my attitude my attitude toward the patriotism of military service I tempered by a belief that many a fine SS Officer doubtlessly prided themselves similarly. Nationalism to me is a form of mental illness. Borders are lines in the ground that exist only in people’s heads.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
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A further point on willful ignorance. One can see in this left leaning forum it’s a popular device and in which the willfulness appears superficially accurate, but on careful consideration, at heart, and clearly just a matter of my opinion, actually provides the same sort of autonomic self protection applicable to any altered reality conservative, a was to escape self confrontation under the guise that some people are beneath contempt and not worth a hearing, in other words, an out for those in terror of looking into the mirror.

It’s called the ignore button, a relief button for cowards, but of course again, only in my opinion. Doubtlessly again, I’m just plain wrong in my opinion.

I believe in mythology we find archetypal patterns representing wisdom designed to slip past the willful ignorance censor of ego. We find such examples in the Hero Myths.

Imagine that there is a force behind willful ignorance that no matter the data presented manages to preserve that ignorance via endless mental games or rationalizations, habituated by years of mastery through practice and imagine now this to be archetypically represented by the hydra, Cerberus, a seven headed snake or the Hydra.

How will the Hero, the Seeker, the Desiree of the Golden Fleece, get past such a repellant force, one that can’t be faced. The answer is a sword and a mirror polished shield. What’s your guess those ar symbolic archetypes of? Best wishes on your journey. We sleep as the Waters of Life flow by.

Is ignorance really willful or is the result of the fact that we died psychically as children and to recover poke into consciousness the true misery that created for how we are unable to really feel what love is. I leave you to decide. How can you mend a broken heart.

I’m pretty sure it can never be done by seeking revenge or blaming the ignorance of others.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I have no idea but could be a prior banned person using a different name.
Could be any number of things, that's why I am curious. Usually a mod will post if something they post violates the rules so if there is no mod note anywhere then I am guessing it's on technical grounds like you suggest or something similar.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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RUS army instead of US army.
Oh I see. I dont know if that is so or not, he did say US army, but that could be true while and you correct if he's a spy. I am sure the Army has their share of them. Well, actually I'm really not sure but seem a reasonable assumption.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Could be any number of things, that's why I am curious. Usually a mod will post if something they post violates the rules so if there is no mod note anywhere then I am guessing it's on technical grounds like you suggest or something similar.
Well, anyway if he's a bad actor, I hope he doesn't get prrmabanned like you did and show up only virtually in my alt world imagination. Your secret is safe, don't worry. Nobody reads my posts so I'm not actually here either. Someone is passing out curses causing people to go Permablind. It could be the reptile in the other building.
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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A further point on willful ignorance. One can see in this left leaning forum it’s a popular device and in which the willfulness appears superficially accurate, but on careful consideration, at heart, and clearly just a matter of my opinion, actually provides the same sort of autonomic self protection applicable to any altered reality conservative, a was to escape self confrontation under the guise that some people are beneath contempt and not worth a hearing, in other words, an out for those in terror of looking into the mirror.


This is most definitely _not_ a 'left leaning forum'.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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If I had a recent lobotomy I might just think that so called 'border bill' actually did something to slow down illegal immigration ... which it didn't. What it did do was fast track US citizenship for millions of illegals, funded NGO's that promote illegal immigration while giving a large chunk of US tax dollars to Ukraine. Fact of the matter is Biden and Harris campaigned on illegal immigration. Biden overturned nearly 60 of Trump's Executive Orders in regards to immigration while signing off on 40 of his own making illegal immigration easier than ever before in only his first four months in office. Now list the red states that gives sanctuary to illegal aliens. Good luck with that.


Aaaaaaaah and you got your fake ass banned... Sucks to be you. Hope you get sent to the front soon enough.

Go fuck yourself you inbred piece of shit .
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Aaaaaaaah and you got your fake ass banned... Sucks to be you. Hope you get sent to the front soon enough.

Go fuck yourself you inbred piece of shit .

As much as we like to see it, IMXP ATPN is a rare place that actually bans trolls like that. Other platforms are inundated with either people or bots gobbling the misinformation up and regurgitating, and don’t have the skepticism or critical thinking skills to discern fact from fiction. The confirmation bias and motivated reasoning is so strong, so so so automatic, and latched onto by anywhere near it.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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As much as we like to see it, IMXP ATPN is a rare place that actually bans trolls like that. Other platforms are inundated with either people or bots gobbling the misinformation up and regurgitating, and don’t have the skepticism or critical thinking skills to discern fact from fiction. The confirmation bias and motivated reasoning is so strong, so so so automatic, and latched onto by anywhere near it.
It felt well educated out into alt maga reality, talking points down to the dot. I do wonder if you couldnt make such a bot pretty easily by fine tuning llama 3.2 with transcripts from Bannon/Rogan/Alex/Stone podcasts etc. I am actually fairly sure you could.

Next time we should try to jailbreak it.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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It felt well educated out into alt maga reality, talking points down to the dot. I do wonder if you couldnt make such a bot pretty easily by fine tuning llama 3.2 with transcripts from Bannon/Rogan/Alex/Stone podcasts etc. I am actually fairly sure you could.

Next time we should try to jailbreak it.

I posted a little blurb on Reddit about Trump, all factual, and another poster said I just regurgitated msnbc talking points. I said point to where I’m wrong and haven’t heard back.

This guy came in here with feels and expected to think it’s gonna a fly. Just trolling for money is my guess

This isn’t to say that a bot can’t be trained. There’s some very intelligent people out there training AI right now
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Oh well, I had a lot of fun observing how he was getting swift kicked and bitch slapped every time he posted some vapid baked up talking point.

Nice to know this forum is a bastion that can hand out the fact based justice these lying disingenuous interlopers deserve.

Reminds of how a notorious biker club (that shall remain nameless) tried to take over the drug running business in Hawaii and the local syndicates made the biker emissaries disappear while sending them a message that went something like "Your people were absolutely delicious. Please send more."
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Why is it that every time a Putin-paid Russian troll shows up around here, the "conservatives" here line up to champion its cause, without fail? All the fucking time.

Strange, isn't it?
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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They were killed by a Welshman with autism and mental health issues. Their deaths were then cynically exploited by a bunch of low information racists and the whole issue has been further exploited by Russian trolls trying to spread dissent in countries that they are scared to actually face up to.

I confess I'm still curious as to what his 'motives' were (inverted commas because it seems extremely doubtful they'd make much sense).

An autistic youth who, apparently, had a strong interest in musical theater, with a father who was devoted to martial arts and seriously Christian, strongly involved with his local church, does seem like a potential recipe for some sort of psychological dysfunction. But that's just speculation based on the tiny bit of information actually reported.

Can't see how there would be any 'Islamic terror' involved, given his entirely-Christian background.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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This is most definitely _not_ a 'left leaning forum'.

well, you're British. This is pretty "left" for the US. meaning: now ultra-conservative compared to today's standards of the batshit insaneoclown christo-pedofascists now representing the majority of the right wing in the US.
 
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