The People Have Spoken

Page 56 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
39,045
19,742
146
Honestly, compared to all the taxes we pay such as carbon tax, the tariff is not that big a dent, obviously still bad as it still adds to the already high cost of living/operating but people are freaking out like it's the end of the world while they stayed silent at everything else. The carbon tax is basically a tariff on life and keeps going up each year. It affects individual cost of living as well as company operating costs making business more expensive, which trickles down back to us in the end. And Carbon Tax Carney (Trudeau's replacement starting this Sunday) wants to double down on it. He'll be fine though, he moved his company Brookfield to the states so he is spared of our carbon tax and Trump's tariffs.

Rumour has it an election is going to happen late April or early May, hopefully the conservatives get majority and we can axe the carbon tax which is one of the biggest tariffs we are dealing with right now as it affects everything that requires energy, which is well, basically everything. Trump is putting America first, I can't really fault him for that even though right now it's hurting us, so we need someone that can put Canada first, and that will be Poilievre.

I also did not realize this until recently, but we actually have trade barriers between provinces! It's actually harder to trade between provinces than with other countries including the states. Lots of weird restrictions especially surrounding energy. Poilievre will change this and it will help us be more self sufficient economically. Trade is good, but we should not rely on it 100%. Build pipelines, build refineries and drill baby drill! Makes no sense to put penalties on our own energy when we are actually a carbon sink. Let's use our own product first then export extra cleaner oil products to countries that are still burning coal and other dirty forms of energy. We should be a rich country, even without relying on the states.

Long story short lot of our issues are self inflicted, we need to look at ourseives before we blame the states. The tariffs are only insult to injury while we're already weak.

This “trump is putting America first” stuff is 100% garbage.
 

uallas5

Golden Member
Jun 3, 2005
1,592
1,835
136
I also did not realize this until recently, but we actually have trade barriers between provinces! It's actually harder to trade between provinces than with other countries including the states. Lots of weird restrictions especially surrounding energy. Poilievre will change this and it will help us be more self sufficient economically.

Long story short lot of our issues are self inflicted, we need to look at ourseives before we blame the states. The tariffs are only insult to injury while we're already weak.
Actually, those internal trade barriers are already in the process of being dismantled, guess that's another win for the Liberals that Squirrel gets to cheer on.

"This is unprecedented action to reduce trade barriers in Canada," Internal Trade Minister Anita Anand told CBC News.
"This is a pivotal moment for Canada to take bold and united action in the face of the United States' unjustified decision to impose 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian goods."


They're starting with booze and plan on expanding it out to other areas of trade. There is also a push for allowing professional credentials to be recognized across the provinces.

 
Reactions: Brainonska511

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
69,723
13,341
126
www.betteroff.ca
Again, as a point of reference: Red’s tax rate was higher under Harper and went down under Trudeau.

Our cost of living was way lower under Harper, and the carbon tax also didn't exist. Dollar for dollar we pay more taxes now and our overall COL is way higher, so we have less disposable income. The liberals have also brought up a lot of stuff like CPP and EI that is not called a tax, but basically is a tax.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
29,050
29,159
136
I also did not realize this until recently, but we actually have trade barriers between provinces! It's actually harder to trade between provinces than with other countries including the states. Lots of weird restrictions especially surrounding energy.
Please for the love of god, before passing on your ignorant uninformed opinions of how the US is run can you LEARN HOW YOUR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY WORKS?
 
Last edited:

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
98,819
17,289
126
Honestly, compared to all the taxes we pay such as carbon tax, the tariff is not that big a dent, obviously still bad as it still adds to the already high cost of living/operating but people are freaking out like it's the end of the world while they stayed silent at everything else. The carbon tax is basically a tariff on life and keeps going up each year. It affects individual cost of living as well as company operating costs making business more expensive, which trickles down back to us in the end. And Carbon Tax Carney (Trudeau's replacement starting this Sunday) wants to double down on it. He'll be fine though, he moved his company Brookfield to the states so he is spared of our carbon tax and Trump's tariffs.

Rumour has it an election is going to happen late April or early May, hopefully the conservatives get majority and we can axe the carbon tax which is one of the biggest tariffs we are dealing with right now as it affects everything that requires energy, which is well, basically everything. Trump is putting America first, I can't really fault him for that even though right now it's hurting us, so we need someone that can put Canada first, and that will be Poilievre.

I also did not realize this until recently, but we actually have trade barriers between provinces! It's actually harder to trade between provinces than with other countries including the states. Lots of weird restrictions especially surrounding energy. Poilievre will change this and it will help us be more self sufficient economically. Trade is good, but we should not rely on it 100%. Build pipelines, build refineries and drill baby drill! Makes no sense to put penalties on our own energy when we are actually a carbon sink. Let's use our own product first then export extra cleaner oil products to countries that are still burning coal and other dirty forms of energy. We should be a rich country, even without relying on the states.

Long story short lot of our issues are self inflicted, we need to look at ourseives before we blame the states. The tariffs are only insult to injury while we're already weak.

So you are ripping up those carbon tax rebate cheques right? Increasing cost of a product by 25% is not a big deal huh.
 
Last edited:

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
98,819
17,289
126
Our cost of living was way lower under Harper, and the carbon tax also didn't exist. Dollar for dollar we pay more taxes now and our overall COL is way higher, so we have less disposable income. The liberals have also brought up a lot of stuff like CPP and EI that is not called a tax, but basically is a tax.
You clearly have no idea what pension funds and unemployment insurence are. Your wage has not kept with inflation, take that up with your employer.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
87,173
53,655
136
Our cost of living was way lower under Harper, and the carbon tax also didn't exist. Dollar for dollar we pay more taxes now and our overall COL is way higher, so we have less disposable income. The liberals have also brought up a lot of stuff like CPP and EI that is not called a tax, but basically is a tax.
So you claim to be mad about cost of living and then when Trump attempts to deliberately raise your cost of living you’re like ‘aw shucks’.

Remember, politics is not like sports. Your ‘team’ is doing a lot of dumb shit. It’s ok to admit it.
 

WilliamM2

Platinum Member
Jun 14, 2012
2,829
800
136
You clearly have no idea what pension funds and unemployment insurence are. Your wage has not kept with inflation, take that up with your employer.
It probably has kept up. Remember, he's not very good at math.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
69,723
13,341
126
www.betteroff.ca
That's what was confusing me. Do they not qualify for the carbon tax rebate up in Timmins?
The rebate does not cover the whole cost, think about it, why would they take money only to give it back? There is also an administrative cost to it too. This costs all tax payers one way or the other. The rebate is just a trick to make dumb people be ok with it. They take a bunch of our money, then sprinkle a little bit back, and lot of people are dumb enough to fall for it because they see that come in their bank account and think "yay free money!" but it's literally our own money that they took in first place. Oldest liberal trick in the book.


 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
22,881
1,087
126
So there are endless things wrong with MAGAs, but their replies to the latest defiance from Trudeau and to Canadians in general make me wonder if they understand anything at all, even a little bit.

A Canadian brought up how the USA needs Canada because we import 80% of Potash fertilizer from them, and also brought up the US importing over 7 billion a year in iron. Both are true.

Countless MAGAs "go ahead stop exporting to us. We'll just make it here, we don't need you, but you need us."

So I'm no expert on iron or fertilizer, but how can anyone be stupid enough to think it would be as simple as us just starting to make it here in America. MAGAs brains "we could go from importing 80% of our Potash to producing it all in house at the snap of a finger!" Our government is SLOW to do anything. But apparently they believe iron mills can be built and become fully operational in minutes like life is a fucking Real Time Strategy game. It would take eons for us to become self-sufficient and the entire country would likely crash before it happened.

The amount of blind faith they have that Trump actually knows what he's doing and will make America better is frightening. And the hatred they have for Trudeau and all other leaders who have been defending themselves and their country against Diaper Don's also pretty frightening. Thankfully a lot of the replies I see from Canadians and others around the world seem to understand Trump and MAGAs are the shitheads but a lot of us aren't MAGA and don't support him. But by the end of his 4 years, I wouldn't blame any country that couldn't stand us anymore. 6 weeks in and Trump already has the wrecking ball going at full speed.

If we get 80% of our Potash from Canada, does anyone have any idea how long it would take for us to get to speed if Canada totally cut us off here? Losing 80% and having to make ourselves seems impossible. And crops are pretty important so I don't think we could stand to lose 80%. Even if MAGAs are certain we could just start making it tomorrow and we'll be a-ok.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
39,045
19,742
146
So there are endless things wrong with MAGAs, but their replies to the latest defiance from Trudeau and to Canadians in general make me wonder if they understand anything at all, even a little bit.

A Canadian brought up how the USA needs Canada because we import 80% of Potash fertilizer from them, and also brought up the US importing over 7 billion a year in iron. Both are true.

Countless MAGAs "go ahead stop exporting to us. We'll just make it here, we don't need you, but you need us."

So I'm no expert on iron or fertilizer, but how can anyone be stupid enough to think it would be as simple as us just starting to make it here in America. MAGAs brains "we could go from importing 80% of our Potash to producing it all in house at the snap of a finger!" Our government is SLOW to do anything. But apparently they believe iron mills can be built and become fully operational in minutes like life is a fucking Real Time Strategy game. It would take eons for us to become self-sufficient and the entire country would likely crash before it happened.

The amount of blind faith they have that Trump actually knows what he's doing and will make America better is frightening. And the hatred they have for Trudeau and all other leaders who have been defending themselves and their country against Diaper Don's also pretty frightening. Thankfully a lot of the replies I see from Canadians and others around the world seem to understand Trump and MAGAs are the shitheads but a lot of us aren't MAGA and don't support him. But by the end of his 4 years, I wouldn't blame any country that couldn't stand us anymore. 6 weeks in and Trump already has the wrecking ball going at full speed.

If we get 80% of our Potash from Canada, does anyone have any idea how long it would take for us to get to speed if Canada totally cut us off here? Losing 80% and having to make ourselves seems impossible. And crops are pretty important so I don't think we could stand to lose 80%. Even if MAGAs are certain we could just start making it tomorrow and we'll be a-ok.

Estimates are different for each industry, but i think 5-10 years is the general ball park to build up enough domestic supply. Buckle up, voters can barely remember yesterday
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
98,819
17,289
126
The rebate does not cover the whole cost, think about it, why would they take money only to give it back? There is also an administrative cost to it too. This costs all tax payers one way or the other. The rebate is just a trick to make dumb people be ok with it. They take a bunch of our money, then sprinkle a little bit back, and lot of people are dumb enough to fall for it because they see that come in their bank account and think "yay free money!" but it's literally our own money that they took in first place. Oldest liberal trick in the book.


View attachment 119160


Carbon tax is mostly on industries. Consumers mostly get it back in full. You get more back because you are in the North.

You need to change your frame of reference. Government is a large corporation we all have a share in and the management is changed every few years.

Since you love big companies that should do it for you no?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,578
30,827
146
You clearly have no idea what pension funds and unemployment insurence are. Your wage has not kept with inflation, take that up with your employer.

don't worry, he's been very happy to watch his piddly investments in gold index funds give him a whopping 1-2% increase over the last several years all the while ignoring actual investment accounts that make actual money. These people are a cult. Reality and math need not apply.

because he's stupidly investing all of his retirement into funds that make no money, instead of actual money-making funds that he can access, it's everyone else's fault that he isn't enjoying the good life.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
87,173
53,655
136
don't worry, he's been very happy to watch his piddly investments in gold index funds give him a whopping 1-2% increase over the last several years all the while ignoring actual investment accounts that make actual money. These people are a cult. Reality and math need not apply.

because he's stupidly investing all of his retirement into funds that make no money, instead of actual money-making funds that he can access, it's everyone else's fault that he isn't enjoying the good life.
The easiest way to know that gold is a stupid investment is there are commercials for it. It doesn't take a master investor to realize that if an investment is actually good nobody is going to spend money to broadcast that to you.

The Venn diagram for goldbugs and easy marks is a circle.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
25,384
11,787
136
The easiest way to know that gold is a stupid investment is there are commercials for it. It doesn't take a master investor to realize that if an investment is actually good nobody is going to spend money to broadcast that to you.

The Venn diagram for goldbugs and easy marks is a circle.
And with the uncertainty that Trump is creating, they are advertising constantly.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |