The People Have Spoken

[ch33zw1z]

I am Canadians and not very familiar with American history. Can you tell me who the last Republican president was that did not increase the deficit?

In a bit, he’s busy humble bragging about his smooth brain and smelling his own farts. Way too busy to actually know what he’s talking about

 

[Indus]

In a bit, he’s busy humble bragging about his smooth brain and smelling his own farts. Way too busy to actually know what he’s talking about

Is that the new RFK Jr approved glue sniffing for MAGA?

 

[Amused]

Right, 'people', not citizens. In other words, folks who are illegally here.

You are aware the 5th and 14th Amendments says PERSONS. Not "Citizens" or white people. It says PERSONS.

5th Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

14th amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Note that it separates PERSON from CITIZEN? It describes how a person may be a citizen, but then goes on to declare ALL PERSONS are to be afforced due process and equal protection of the law. NOT all citizens even though in the sentence before it, they detail specific the protections for CITIZENS.

That means, and has been found multiple times by the Supreme court to mean, ALL PEOPLE ON US SOIL.

Even people here illegally or more to the point, people ACCUSED of being here illegally.

It also means people here LEGALLY and with a FUCKING GREEN CARD.

ANY REAL libertarian would want ALL PERSONS afforded due process of law.

The minute they can arbitrarily deny any group of persons due process, they can justify denying YOU due process.

But don't take my word for it. Here it is a congress.gov. complete with supreme court case history:

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJ3q45leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFQTHdyWHJNU0RlWFZPazh0AR5v3A8BNERoQXfC9xYw6tEUAEjY1IK6upFTFDBscXkY-AbjFqIKcrEEhzHGbw_aem_PcO31FLfadVhGWn3w1PW8g

The Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Thus, the Court determined, even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

 

[sdifox]

He's MENSA material, why are you bothering him with little details like the US Constitution?

 

[JD50]

Right, 'people', not citizens. In other words, folks who are illegally here.

Let's say ICE "accidentally" arrests you and claims you aren't a citizen, which means no due process for you. How do you prove you're a citizen?

 

[nakedfrog]

My wife is a Libertarian, and didn't vote for trump. Just a few days ago, she turned to me and said "I'm really impressed - he is getting a lot of smart things DONE." It's nice to see a president actually keeping his promises, for once.

So she's at least as dumb as you, maybe more so?

I agree. I scored very high on IQ and problem solving skills in grade school, and was put in the gifted classes. I also scored in the top 2% nationally on my ACT, but I think that common (or not so common?) sense is more important for daily life. I've thought about joining MENSA, but from the online posts I've read from members, they tend to be rather snooty.

I read a lot about history, so it amazes me how little many folks know about things like history, geography, etc.

That's fascinating, literally everything I've ever seen you post here and other forums makes you come off dumb as hell.

 

[MrSquished]

In my experience about 90% of the time describing a self proclaimed libertarian as ignorant is redundant.

Actual libertarians do exist but basically everybody you might run into who calls themselves one is actually just a regular Republican with fascist tendencies.

It is my experience that @GunsMadeAmericaFree is a shitty person and apparently now so is his wife.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's say ICE "accidentally" arrests you and claims you aren't a citizen, which means no due process for you. How do you prove you're a citizen?

Ill show them the USA tattoos on my knuckles, check mate ICE

 

[sdifox]

It just dawned on me GMAF is a variant of Al Bundy! Grown ass man reliving high school glories is not a good look ok?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Right, 'people', not citizens. In other words, folks who are illegally here.

- This is some weapons grade "and when they said I was an illegal and deported me without due process because I was eventually personally affected by their shit-for-brains policies and spoke out, there was no one to speak for me" material right here.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

You are aware the 5th and 14th Amendments says PERSONS. Not "Citizens" or white people. It says PERSONS.

Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

 

[nakedfrog]

Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

So the government can come take your guns, got it

 

[ondma]

Please list what promises these are, please be specific in how theyve been kept

Well, he promised to be a dictator on day one, and he is doing his best to keep that one.

 

[ondma]

You mean sorry that she is reacting positively to positive developments, or ?

Yea, "guns made America free", and lots of innocent people dead. I thought I put you on ignore a long time ago. My mistake. I will take care of that now.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

That is not exactly a good argument, it is literally one of the worst things the US government ever did. What are you going to argue for next, a return of Dread Scott?

 

[IronWing]

Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

You seem to recognize that putting Americans in internment camps during WW2 was unconstitutional. Now here you are supporting the Republicans as they violate the Constitution in the same way.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

So she's at least as dumb as you, maybe more so?

That's fascinating, literally everything I've ever seen you post here and other forums makes you come off dumb as hell.

Extremely amusing (and typical) when liberal arguments descend into personal attacks.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

You seem to recognize that putting Americans in internment camps during WW2 was unconstitutional. Now here you are supporting the Republicans as they violate the Constitution in the same way.

I'm pointing out that a government can say one thing on paper, but do something very different in real life practice. I'm also saying that history is cyclical - what has happened before will happen again.

 

[MrSquished]

Extremely amusing (and typical) when liberal arguments descend into personal attacks.

Are there dumb people in the world do you think?

 

[repoman0]

Extremely amusing (and typical) when liberal arguments descend into personal attacks.

You are a pigeon shitting on the chess board. The arguments have been made and you aren’t smart enough to address them. I’m sending this thread to MENSA immediately, they’ll never let you in now.

 

[IronWing]

I'm pointing out that a government can say one thing on paper, but do something very different in real life practice. I'm also saying that history is cyclical - what has happened before will happen again.

And you are supporting the criminal actions of the Republican administration.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

That is not exactly a good argument, it is literally one of the worst things the US government ever did. What are you going to argue for next, a return of Dread Scott?

This was an executive order, 9066, by Democrat president Franklin Roosevelt that created the concentration camps, and caused Japanese Americans to lose both their freedom and their property. So you just admitted that "one of the worst things the US government ever did" was done by a Democrat.

Was there ever a court martial, or anything at all that held him accountable, so that nothing like this ever happens again?

 

[nakedfrog]

This was an executive order, 9066, by Democrat president Franklin Roosevelt that created the concentration camps, and caused Japanese Americans to lose both their freedom and their property. So you just admitted that "one of the worst things the US government ever did" was done by a Democrat.

Was there ever a court martial, or anything at all that held him accountable, so that nothing like this ever happens again?

Is this a demonstration of your superior intellect at work?

 

[IronWing]

This was an executive order, 9066, by Democrat president Franklin Roosevelt that created the concentration camps, and caused Japanese Americans to lose both their freedom and their property. So you just admitted that "one of the worst things the US government ever did" was done by a Democrat.

Was there ever a court martial, or anything at all that held him accountable, so that nothing like this ever happens again?

Yet, here you are, supporting current criminality on the part of the Republican administration. You clearly know it’s illegal as you accept that the internment of Americans during WW2 was illegal.

 

[Pens1566]

Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

Using one of the worst, and most often cited as incorrect, SCOTUS cases ever to bolster your argument is certainly a choice.