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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Old dead guys did some heinous shit so not sure why you're complaining about how I like that my current favorite politician is doing some heinous shit? I just want people to be free to do heinous shit, is that too much to ask? I don't ask for a lot, just that you don't ask me to get my order after someone else when I clearly ordered my shit first, because that crosses the line into extra-heinous shit which I will not tolerate.
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Well, it certainly seems like someone is upset when they stoop to hurling personal insults, just because someone has a different point of view. I've noticed that liberals seem to do that a lot - they publicly espouse valuing all different points of view. However, when they encounter points of view they don't agree with, they often stoop to personal insults, rather than practicing the tolerance that they preach.

Not caring about insurrection and treason got you here, little late to try to act like you have principles don't you think? After 1/6 you are no longer in 'different point of view' land. Denial doesn't change it.

Do you demonize right wing mass shooters and would be assassins the same or less than you do "liberals" for not putting up with your dishonest shit? What happened to 'fuck your feels'? Sounds like you've confused inclusion with the requirement of factual rigor. Even the ethically and patriotically challenged have valid viewpoints guys. Yeah be polite to the shitheads who are destroying our rights like due process, bodily autonomy or protection under the law. Conducting a war on children while giving our economy a >$10trillion haircut is REAL PROGRESS guys.

You and your wife both should be upset. That you aren't speaks volumes, all of it bad. You're giving this Trump idiocy the Cybertruck treatment; playing pretend that it's a real truck and not a scam, because culture war. Wake up, or at least give this omgpleasenotmyfeels! a rest. Don't like jeers? Posts with merit and honesty will chase them away. If you can't stand by your position with facts and reason all you got is shit, and yes people complain about bad smells.

Been awhile since I've seen a numpty try the Dixiecrats argument, haha, I guess that figures
 
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QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
22,906
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If Trump were not the president, then 3/4 the entire country would be dead right now.

Instead of 340 million people, we would only have 82 million people left.

Seems completely legit.

And now I'm curious what the hell he saved us from, saving 3/4th of the population should be the main story everywhere. Maybe he pulled a Bruce Willis in Armageddon and went up into space in one of Elon's rockets and expl0ded an asteroid that was headed straight for Earth. But since Trump's the baddest of all bad asses he didn't die like Bruce did.

He got shot and survived - bad ass
He took out an asteroid and survived - bad ass

Is there anything this man can't do? Nothing will ever stop him.

And I bet I could get at least a few MAGAts to believe the asteroid story lol. Sleepy Joe and Commie-La could have never stopped an asteroid.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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And now I'm curious what the hell he saved us from, saving 3/4th of the population should be the main story everywhere. Maybe he pulled a Bruce Willis in Armageddon and went up into space in one of Elon's rockets and expl0ded an asteroid that was headed straight for Earth. But since Trump's the baddest of all bad asses he didn't die like Bruce did.

He got shot and survived - bad ass
He took out an asteroid and survived - bad ass

Is there anything this man can't do? Nothing will ever stop him.

And I bet I could get at least a few MAGAts to believe the asteroid story lol. Sleepy Joe and Commie-La could have never stopped an asteroid.
Oh yeah, I remember when he saved us from a meteor. Of course the LAMESTREAM MEDIA won't tell you about it. Bounced it right off his rippling chest muscles, I saw the video, it was spectacular.
 
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NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
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Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. It was mostly Democrats who enslaved Millions of Africans to do hard labor, and they actually broke away from the country to try to keep that going long term. It took the Republicans to put that down.
I find it ironic, that you claim to have such a high IQ, and implied you know history because you "read a lot of history books".. that you didn't know, or "forgot" that the parties flipped since that era of time vs today. So the Democrat party you are making claims about back then, is todays' Republican party. If you really want to get into the truth, the Southern Democrates where all for Slavery back then, while the Northern Democrates where against it. Guess who the southern democrates are today? Answer, so you don't hurt your "big brain": the Republicans.

It really doesn't matter which party did what back then, as it's long before out time. What matters is what is happening today. Trying to use history as an excuse to support, and/or continue or re-instate illegal and shitty behavior is like an abusive parent saying "well my dad beat the shit out of me, so it's okay if I do it too you". History should be a learning tool of what not to do, not an excuse to continue, or go back to doing it again regardless of who was at fault back then. Party affiliation is meaningless when it comes to right and wrong, and ALL should be held equally accountable for their illegal, immoral, and wwrong actions, period. So you can stop with these pathedic and discusting whataboutisms and stop trying to use history as your crutch.
 
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PowerEngineer

Diamond Member
Oct 22, 2001
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Hmm, how well did that work out keeping Japanese Americans out of Concentration Camps (Internment Camps) during WW2? (and keeping them from losing their property or businesses) All because they looked Japanese. I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future violations are okay? That everyone should just sit back and let Trump violate the protections provided to us by the Constitution? Very far from being a MENSA grade argument. 😒

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. It was mostly Democrats who enslaved Millions of Africans to do hard labor, and they actually broke away from the country to try to keep that going long term. It took the Republicans to put that down.

As a student of history, you should already realize that what the Democratic and Republican parties represent has completely flipped over the last 150 years. What the Democrats espoused back then about race and personal rights have become the unspoken major tenets of today's Republican Party. And now after the Trump hijacking, these views are not only spoken - they're shouted out as virtues. It is a terrible joke to refer to today's Republican Party as "the Party of Lincoln". 🙄
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future violations are okay? That everyone should just sit back and let Trump violate the protections provided to us by the Constitution? Very far from being a MENSA grade argument. 😒



As a student of history, you should already realize that what the Democratic and Republican parties represent has completely flipped over the last 150 years. What the Democrats espoused back then about race and personal rights have become the unspoken major tenets of today's Republican Party. And now after the Trump hijacking, these views are not only spoken - they're shouted out as virtues. It is a terrible joke to refer to today's Republican Party as "the Party of Lincoln". 🙄
It gets so old teaching this history lesson, over, and over, and over.
 
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GunsMadeAmericaFree

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Jan 23, 2007
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>So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional >rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future >violations are okay?

Absolutely not! I was simply pointing out that history should be learned from, not ignored, like some seemed to be arguing.
 

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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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>So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional >rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future >violations are okay?

Absolutely not! I was simply pointing out that history should be learned from, not ignored, like some seemed to be arguing.
And yet your wife, as a self-described libertarian is celebrating life imprisonment without due process.

Guess she still has some learning to do, huh.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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>So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional >rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future >violations are okay?

Absolutely not! I was simply pointing out that history should be learned from, not ignored, like some seemed to be arguing.

So you believe the democratic party of Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, and George Wallace are the democratic party today?

Are you touched?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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So you believe the democratic party of Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, and George Wallace are the democratic party today?

Are you touched?
What I find funny is implicit in that criticism is that what southern democrats stood for is bad while these guys stand for a lot of the same things.

Sure is funny how southern democrats changed to republicans after northern democrats passed the civil rights act. I’m sure it’s because they just so happened to learn the virtues of the free market and low (non-race related) regulation at that time.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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>So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional >rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future >violations are okay?

Absolutely not! I was simply pointing out that history should be learned from, not ignored, like some seemed to be arguing.
Great, when do you plan to start learning from it?
 
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nickqt

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2015
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You misspelled Conservatives.
Southern Conservatives owned and operated the Democratic Party from the start of the country. They owned other people until NorthEast/Coastal Progressives stopped the ability for Southern Conservatives to own other people. Then Southern Conservatives enacted Jim Crow laws until 70 years ago making black citizens second-class citizens. Until again NorthEast/Coastal Progressives had to step in.

Whenever some shitbag apologist tries to point to the "Democratic Party" of a certain era, they are intentionally leaving out the fact that the bad guys have ALWAYS been Southern Conservatives, and the good guys have ALWAYS been NorthEast/Coastal Progressives.

Are Southern Conservatives currently in charge of the Democratic Party? Are NorthEast/Coastal Progressives now in charge of the Republican Party?

If you're on the side of Southern Conservatives, you are objectively the fucking bad guy. Always have been, always fucking will be. It doesn't matter what the name of the political party Southern Conservatives run. It's the bad one.
 

PowerEngineer

Diamond Member
Oct 22, 2001
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771
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>So... In other words, you are arguing that a past violation of Constitutional >rights (at least this one happening during a real war) means that all future >violations are okay?

Absolutely not! I was simply pointing out that history should be learned from, not ignored, like some seemed to be arguing.

You mean "some" like you? Let's review again your own words:

I'm just saying that no matter what the Constitution says, the government can do whatever it wants. It has before, and it will again.

Seems like you want us to abandon any hope of learning from history and are taking exception to any efforts to avoid repeating history's mistakes.

And your attached picture suggests you have not learned from history what terrible things happen when messianic rulers gain power. #WW2
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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What we learn from the Holocaust is?

a) We should be wary of certain types of People or Messages in order to prevent such a thing from occurring again.

b) That with some engineering and planning demographics can be changed significantly in a short period of time.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
33,252
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What we learn from the Holocaust is?

a) We should be wary of certain types of People or Messages in order to prevent such a thing from occurring again.

b) That with some engineering and planning demographics can be changed significantly in a short period of time.
Did we learn that from the Holocaust though? I think we understood the concept but we didn’t understand just how easy it was to implement until Trump.

The question is: how do we prevent it while not creating a government that has too much power to stifle speech?
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Did we learn that from the Holocaust though? I think we understood the concept but we didn’t understand just how easy it was to implement until Trump.

The question is: how do we prevent it while not creating a government that has too much power to stifle speech?
That is a great question.

Ultimately we are going to have to NARROW what is protected as free speech.
Fox News style propaganda to rile people up into hating others under false pretenses... is not okay.
In fact, the entire alt-reality of the MAGA movement needs to be waged war on upon. Their narratives and methods banned.

The need for that ban will become apparent as Project 2025 continues and the totalitarian state gains power. Solutions will only be possible after... and if... we win a civil war.
Drenched in the blood of our countrymen and our families, we would appreciate the need for "never again".
The need to be ONE people. With a unified education and singular journalistic integrity.
Where lies are deeply scorned as betraying the national fabric.

Free speech should be us upholding the scientific method. Trust but verify. With openness and transparency. Where challenge is met with rebuttal. Where our speech addresses the message and not the messenger. News needs to become more academic and less Jerry Springer. More boring and less entertainment. More peer reviewed and less ad hoc.

For if we do not get ahold of it. Human nature will prevail. Our nature is simply division and murder. Mayhem and chaos. It is not survivable. Especially not in the nuclear age.
WE MUST contain our darkest impulses. I hope everyone reading this understands what happens if we do not.

This threat demands that we redefine freedom of expression. The public arena cannot be a place that simply unmakes all that we are. Our institutions must be made stronger and more formidable.
 

GunsMadeAmericaFree

Golden Member
Jan 23, 2007
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>Did we learn that from the Holocaust though?

I'm not sure - it seems like some folks consider "free speech" to be things like attacking the very existence of Jews. Should the people in power decide what speech is "more free" than other speech?
 
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