The Pew Pew Thread

[Dave_5k]

Two incidents in same jurisdiction today, two very different approaches… 1) possible, but unconfirmed, suspect in old auto theft chased down with air support, tased and then shot dead. 2)Separate instance, a shoplifting suspect argued with police, then actually fired shots at business from vehicle while fleeing scene… but allowed to drive off with no pursuit and no arrest yet.

Suspect killed in northwest Albuquerque police shooting

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (KRQE) – Albuquerque Police says a suspect was killed in a police shooting Tuesday morning in the parking lot of a motel along 4th Street near Menaul. Police say the suspect,…

www.krqe.com

Nothing released on either suspect yet, but I’d give very high odds the unarrested active shooter wasn’t dark skinned, and the executed accused thief was.

 

[MrSquished]

All this blood is on the hands of the gun industry and conservatives who have refused to entertain any gun control and have turned fetishizing guns into a religion. Their hands are dripping with blood

1 student dead 1 injured -school shooting in Minnesota

2 suspects in custody after Minnesota shooting that left 1 teen student dead and another critically injured | CNN

Two suspects are in custody in connection with a shooting in Richfield, Minnesota, that left one teenage student dead and another critically injured, Police Chief Jay Henthorne said at a Wednesday news conference.

www.cnn.com

2 officers shot on Virginia college campus

Two officers shot and killed at Bridgewater College in Virginia | CNN

Two campus officers were shot and killed Tuesday during an active shooter situation at Bridgewater College in Virginia, according to college spokesperson Logan Bogert.

www.cnn.com

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ And since that one was a crazy white guy ... FAUX ????

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Girl, 9, dies after mistakenly shot by robbery victim

ABC|45 minutes ago
Houston police say a man who had just been robbed at an ATM opened fire in an attempt to stop his attacker but instead shot a 9-year-old girl in a truck driving nearby



More gunz, gunz, gunz, gunz more gunz .....


If only the 9 year old had had a gun.......

 

[ch33zw1z]

Girl, 9, dies after mistakenly shot by robbery victim

ABC|45 minutes ago
Houston police say a man who had just been robbed at an ATM opened fire in an attempt to stop his attacker but instead shot a 9-year-old girl in a truck driving nearby



More gunz, gunz, gunz, gunz more gunz .....


If only the 9 year old had had a gun.......

That's not SYG, the moment passed. Wreckless behavior leading to gun death. Sounds like one of those manslaughter cases

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Guess what the guy looks like.

I'll give you a hint. He was arrested right away.

 

[ch33zw1z]

An Illinois gunmaker is under fire for launching a 'JR-15' rifle aimed specifically at kids

California Gov. Gavin Newsom called the "JR-15" rifle "vile" in a tweet, prior to announcing a new slate of gun control measures on Friday.

www.businessinsider.com

Gun manufacturers now marketing to kids

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And the beat goes on .....


Boy, 3, accidentally shoots, kills mom in Chicago suburb, police say

NBC News|3 hours ago
The woman was shot Saturday in Dolton as the family was sitting in their car outside a Food 4 Less store when the boy somehow found a gun and fired it, police said.

 

[Bitek]

Girl, 9, dies after mistakenly shot by robbery victim

ABC|45 minutes ago
Houston police say a man who had just been robbed at an ATM opened fire in an attempt to stop his attacker but instead shot a 9-year-old girl in a truck driving nearby



More gunz, gunz, gunz, gunz more gunz .....


If only the 9 year old had had a gun.......

It's stuff like this that really has to call into question the whole "constitutional carry" topic (that was debated in another thread.)

Deciding to carry opens you up to all sorts of dangers and I think the times the actual bodily harm risks you are supposedly protecting against are outweighed by the legal risks are rather rare.

I own, but no interest in carrying.

 

[Bitek]

An Illinois gunmaker is under fire for launching a 'JR-15' rifle aimed specifically at kids

California Gov. Gavin Newsom called the "JR-15" rifle "vile" in a tweet, prior to announcing a new slate of gun control measures on Friday.

www.businessinsider.com

Gun manufacturers now marketing to kids

Serious question tho...

What's the difference between that and say a Ruger 10/22 (that's been made for over 50 years.)

Semi auto, .22LR caliber..

Granddad's old squirrel shooter, or kids first rifle.

Buy a dress up kit, unmount the barrel and receiver, swap out the wooden stock, now it's a Tactical version:

Or get a pistol grip stock and a shorter barrel and throw a red dot optic on the rail:

Or do the bull pup style:

Maybe you like lightweight, long range shooting.. Mount a scope and a composite stock with cheek pad and a bipod

It's all the same gun. Same ammo that's been sold since 1884. Differences are largely cosmetic and parts allow a bit of optimization for your intended usage.

In fact, I'd say it's still the way better buy since it's been made forever by a quality manufacturer, huge aftermarket support, and modular so that you can make it into whatever they want, not just another "AR".

Honestly, Gov Newsom probably gave them the best possible marketing they needed in a competitive market.

 

[mect]

Serious question tho...

What's the difference between that and say a Ruger 10/22 (that's been made for over 50 years.)

Semi auto, .22LR caliber..

Granddad's old squirrel shooter, or kids first rifle.

Buy a dress up kit, unmount the barrel and receiver, swap out the wooden stock, now it's a Tactical version:

Or get a pistol grip stock and a shorter barrel and throw a red dot optic on the rail:

Or do the bull pup style:

Maybe you like lightweight, long range shooting.. Mount a scope and a composite stock with cheek pad and a bipod

It's all the same gun. Same ammo that's been sold since 1884. Differences are largely cosmetic and parts allow a bit of optimization for your intended usage.

In fact, I'd say it's still the way better buy since it's been made forever by a quality manufacturer, huge aftermarket support, and modular so that you can make it into whatever they want, not just another "AR".

Honestly, Gov Newsom probably gave them the best possible marketing they needed in a competitive market.

While cosmetic differences may seem trivial, I do think there are important psychological distinctions. The old 10/22 squirrel shooters are psychologically connected to exactly that, rural pest control or target shooting. You start dressing them up in all the tactical dressings, and although it may only be cosmetic changes, the same rifle is now associated instead with killing people. And not just for society, but for the purchaser. When people think that guns that look like tools for killing people are cool, I think that indicates an issue with the psychological connection between that person and their firearm. When it comes to firearms, I think the psychology matters.

You are certainly correct though that firearm manufacturers do love when politicians start to talk about any kind of restrictions on firearms.

 

[Moonbeam]

While cosmetic differences may seem trivial, I do think there are important psychological distinctions. The old 10/22 squirrel shooters are psychologically connected to exactly that, rural pest control or target shooting. You start dressing them up in all the tactical dressings, and although it may only be cosmetic changes, the same rifle is now associated instead with killing people. And not just for society, but for the purchaser. When people think that guns that look like tools for killing people are cool, I think that indicates an issue with the psychological connection between that person and their firearm. When it comes to firearms, I think the psychology matters.

You are certainly correct though that firearm manufacturers do love when politicians start to talk about any kind of restrictions on firearms.

How many people use guns for self protection compared to the number that have them for that reason? I would suspect the number is pretty small. So the reason most people have weapons for self defense is psychological security. I will want a gun, therefore, that has all of the scary features that cause liberals to faint so I can imagine I’m much safer owning a real scary killing machine rather than one that kac kill uou or a squirrel equally efficiently. And if it’s a liberal breaking in to do harm maybe instead of having to shoot him he will just faint when he sees what is pointed at him.

 

[Bitek]

While cosmetic differences may seem trivial, I do think there are important psychological distinctions. The old 10/22 squirrel shooters are psychologically connected to exactly that, rural pest control or target shooting. You start dressing them up in all the tactical dressings, and although it may only be cosmetic changes, the same rifle is now associated instead with killing people. And not just for society, but for the purchaser. When people think that guns that look like tools for killing people are cool, I think that indicates an issue with the psychological connection between that person and their firearm. When it comes to firearms, I think the psychology matters.

You are certainly correct though that firearm manufacturers do love when politicians start to talk about any kind of restrictions on firearms.

Ok, if it's mostly phycological, what do these toys say? Who's calling out and legislating the Nerf company?

If were worried about phycological connections to shooting ppl, why are FPS games a top genre? How many Bay Area software companies like Facebook can pump out virtual shooters with no commentary from the CA gov?
Why's that ok, but the Indiana company has somehow crossed some critical line?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ok, if it's mostly phycological, what do these toys say? Who's calling out and legislating the Nerf company?

If were worried about phycological connections to shooting ppl, why are FPS games a top genre? How many Bay Area software companies like Facebook can pump out virtual shooters with no commentary from the CA gov?
Why's that ok, but the Indiana company has somehow crossed some critical line?

I agree with mect, and this post. I'm cool with limiting what can be presented to children.

The biggest difference is that nerf isn't real, and neither are games. But as game become more realistic, maybe it's time to consider actually enforcing age requirements.

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree with mect, and this post. I'm cool with limiting what can be presented to children.

The biggest difference is that nerf isn't real, and neither are games. But as game become more realistic, maybe it's time to consider actually enforcing age requirements.

Maybe we should focus on what makes people magnetized by violence. Maybe there is something about our culture that is sick, creating an us vs them mentality and all of the need to feel secure by being able to kill people and lust over violence in film and the media. Don’t you just love it when the bad guys get their just deserts? Don’t you want to be a part of that even if only in a film or a game. Can you see the Buddha doing that? I can’t.

 

[mect]

I agree with mect, and this post. I'm cool with limiting what can be presented to children.

The biggest difference is that nerf isn't real, and neither are games. But as game become more realistic, maybe it's time to consider actually enforcing age requirements.

Or at least studying the effect. I'm all for allowing people to do what they want as long as it isn't hurting anyone, but guns hurt a lot of people in this country.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Maybe we should focus on what makes people magnetized by violence. Maybe there is something about our culture that is sick, creating an us vs them mentality and all of the need to feel secure by being able to kill people and lust over violence in film and the media. Don’t you just love it when the bad guys get their just deserts? Don’t you want to be a part of that even if only in a film or a game. Can you see the Buddha doing that? I can’t.

Our fascination with violence is deep and historic. It's lauded in almost every way.

But don't show a boob on tv, even on accident.

You're never gonna kick the violence addiction in the USA

 

[ch33zw1z]

Or at least studying the effect. I'm all for allowing people to do what they want as long as it isn't hurting anyone, but guns hurt a lot of people in this country.

Yea they do, and most of it isn't necessary.

As far as nerf goes, my anecdotal xp is that my kids have that stuff. They pulled the tips off of a bunch of darts and hot glued thumbtacks in them. So I had to make sure they were treating them as actual guns and the hallway they were firing them down was always clear before firing at their target.

How many parents are even around to do that, how many kids are just influenced by the violence in movies and media. Many...

I posted that link about the IL gun company marketing to children because it came across my internets and I found it interesting. It seems that in our highly politicized political climate, that maker thinks its a good marketing move. I'd say they're right, Americans fetish for firearms makes it easy to sell stuff like this, even to children. Besides why wouldn't little Sally or Timmy need a scary looking gun to defend themselves or become the next active shooter. Combine this mentality with states dropping control and gun deaths are sure to climb.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Hey Gregg .....

Texas Boy, 14, Faces Manslaughter Charge After 4-Month-Old Shot to Death

The teen was charged with manslaughter after a gun was discharged in a Lubbock, Texas home, leaving a four-month-old dead.



More guns, right Gregg?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Hey Gregg .....

Texas Boy, 14, Faces Manslaughter Charge After 4-Month-Old Shot to Death

The teen was charged with manslaughter after a gun was discharged in a Lubbock, Texas home, leaving a four-month-old dead.



More guns, right Gregg?

If only that 4 month old had a gun they might be alive today!

 

[ch33zw1z]

If only that 4 month old had a gun they might be alive today!

Is it still stand your ground if you are too young to stand?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Locked 'em up!!

Shooting
Memphis 3-Year-Old Boy Dies After Shooting Himself With AR-15 Firearm

The child's mother and her friend, the gun owner, have been arrested and charged with criminally negligent homicide.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And do it goes ...

Police: 12-Year-Old Killed by Younger Brother Who Found Gun

Police say a 10-year-old boy fatally shot his 12-year-old brother as the two played with a gun they found inside a St. Louis home.
Associated PressMarch 30, 2022

 

[Captante]

NRA myth: The NRA says having more guns makes people safer.

Fact: Gun ownership is directly linked to higher instances of gun violence.

• A National Institutes of Health study found that for each time a gun is used for self-defense, there are 11 suicide attempts involving firearms, seven assaults or murders and four gun accidents.
• Another National Institutes of Health study discovered that owning a gun drastically increases the risk of gun violence in domestic violence cases. They found that a firearm in a home with a history of domestic violence correlates to a 500 percent greater chance that a woman will be killed.
• One study published in the American Journal of Public Health found that the odds of an assault victim being shot increased 4.5 times if they carried a gun, and the odds of them being killed increased 4.2 times.
• A study published in the Journal of Preventive Medicine found that using guns for self-defense during a robbery doesn’t lower one’s odds of being injured.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Dum Bass .....


Police: Gerald Gilrane, 21, arrested after shooting himself in the hand while manufacturing ghost guns in Massapequa home

CBS News|20 minutes ago
MINEOLA, N.Y. - A 21-year-old Long Island man living with his parents is accused of building 3D ghost guns. They were called to their Massapequa house Saturday. As CBS2's Carolyn Gusoff reports, police say he shot himself cleaning one of his homemade guns.