The Pledge and the Flag....

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Czar

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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FFMCobalt

Did I say you were calling me names?, no just that you were so much in defense that you started namecalling, no matter who it was for.
I did not accuse you of forcing your belives on anyone, they are your belives and I respect that. It seems to me that common sense isnt your strong point, but thats just my opinion, and I hope you dont think about beating me like you "suggest" the army would do if I spoke out my mind.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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heh heh

no hard feelings (after I beat the hell out of my kickboxing bags) I guess.

I'm so glad we can grow up and forgive eachother after calling eachother idiots.


"you're an idiot"
"no you are"
"no you are"
"no infinity you are"
"I said it first!"
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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army? ooooooooooooooo... them's fightin' words. But that's a whole different subject:

I said Marines.
Those insane ass Marines don't fight... they mangle, torture, and kill. The army fights.

To be a Marine you've got to be F*ing nuts.



--which is why I plan to enlist. :Q
 

MrPALCO

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Nov 14, 1999
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Main Entry: id·i·ot
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own -- more at SUICIDE
Date: 14th century
1 : a person affected with idiocy; especially : a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete custodial care
2 : a foolish or stupid person
- idiot adjective
 

Czar

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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FFMCobalt

Hehe, yeah the Marines are the bully's of the army

Been a nice argument dont you think, I´v had fun
 

madthumbs

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Oct 1, 2000
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In God we trust -Does anyone know what god is being implied here? Satan is your god if you worship him. US currency also has the evil eye and other satanic references on it. The god of the Bible/ Israel has a name, and it is not identified here.

If anyone read the Bible for themselves, they would find that chrisianity is not a religion, organized religion does not make The Church, and the religious zealots were the hypocrates. Read the book for yourselves or let people spew it at you out of context. BTW, that 10% they like to claim... it was a tax to support the levitical government which was approximately 10% of the population. If you want to give to our creator, give to his creation which is actually in need.

We are taught in school that the USA is a free country, and we are lucky to be here. Then we are coerced into pledging to an idol. We are subjected to learning evolution which has no scientific merit, and social studied which deals heavily with religion but we miss out on the truths because someone mis read the constitution as "freedom from religion" instead of "freedom of religion".

No form of government lasts forever. We are watching this one slowly decay.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Red,
I just disrupted my math class by bursting out laughing... *heh..... heh... sigh*

I walked right into that one.




"...look mommy, our new President is an ass!"
 

Opinionated

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Sorry to mess up the "perfect" number, but it looks like there was quite a little discussion in this thread.... Sorry I missed out on it.

I don't believe I ever suggested that the Pledge or saluting the flag should be mandatory. I don't think it should. Making an outward expression of the respect I have for my country and what it stands for simply makes me feel more a part of it. Obviously, not everyone feels that way.

But what it all boils down to is this. There is a serious dearth of common respect in this country (at all age levels). I happen to respect the people and institutions that gave me the rights and priviledges I am allowed to exercise in the US. I've been to MANY other countries. Most Americans just simply have no idea, no concept... I'm sorry.... it's very hard to explain.

Do I love my country? Yes. Do I love everything that happens, or is done here. Well, of course not. That's why I take every chance I am given to try and make it just a little better.

As far as the POA and saluting the flag.... Hey, I respect your right to choose NOT to say the pledge and to decline to salute the flag. But do me a favor. Would you please simply have the common decency and respect to do the following for me:

1) Allow MY children the same choices. Let my sons choose whether or not to pledge their allegiance to their country and salute their flag each morning as a reminder that there are millions of folks working and fighting everyday to maintain their rights and priviledges. If they're working and fighting everyday for US, can't we take 30 seconds and show them that we know about, care about, and respect their efforts.

2) If you choose not to Pledge or salute, that's your choice, and I'll fight and die to protect that right, but out of respect for the country and for those who would choose differently from you, don't impose your choices on me and mine, OK.

3) And finally, if you find yourself in the position where a flag is being raised or lowered, the Pledge is being recited, the Anthem or some other patriotic song is being sung, and you choose not to participate.... or worse, you think this country doesn't warrant your respect or outward expression of loyalty..... Could you please, out of a sense of personal respect for your fellow man, simply keep your mouth shut and stand still for just a minute while others express themselves? I promise, I will show the same respect for your ideas and beliefs as well.

I don't think this is too much to ask, but I may be wrong, since I am of course still...

Opinionated
 

Rogue

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I'm just curious, how many of you in this thread have served in the Armed Forces of the US and even better, seen combat on foreign shores?
 

toph99

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Aug 25, 2000
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in canada we don't even have the canadian flag flying, much less it displayed anywhere in the school. though the national anthem is played every morning...

plus don't forget, replacing and maintaining things like flags costs extra money, and i don't know about down south, but up here the school needs every penny it can get
 

urbantechie

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Hmm..my teacher makes us pledge to it. One time I didn't want to but I stood up and he asked me why, and I said I don't want to, gave me a 4pg essay. Damn prick.
 
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