Sorry, I didn't mean specifically black. It would be interesting if they go for a native Canadian since they have been historically marginalized.
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that the Europeans expect Obama to bow down to them, especially with the upcoming financial talks. Obama needs to be strong in face of European efforts to hurt the US.
Many African nations and Asian nations had mild-warm relationships with the Bush administration. Africa received a lot of aid attention with Bush (one of his few positive developments) and I think that they believe that it may increase even more so with Obama. Plus, it's an uplifting story to see a black man become president. It's not like something like that is going to be happening in Europe, Australia, etc. any time soon. The only "Western" country I can think of that happening is Canada, but the demographics are perhaps a little too snow-white.
Well it probably won't be a black person to be PM in Canada for just the reason you said. There just aren't very many black people here. If there was a good candidate for PM who was black, I don't think Canada would hesitate to elect him if his policies were attractive.
I think we'll elect a woman before an ethnic minority.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: QueBert
Obama won't be able to deliver on all his promises. Where Bush was unable to deliver on ANY of his. Didn't Bush say he would stop at nothing to find Bin Laden? Hell if Obama can deliver on a single promise he's already ahead of Bush
why must everyone bring bush into the discussion? we're talking about obama and his lack of anything - not bush and his incompetence. i know you think having a poor president is a good enough reason to worship obama, but it isn't.
who did you vote for in 2000 and 2004
2000 - Gore
2004 - Kerry
Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: tvarad
Let's see. BO went from being an obscure first term senator to become the President of the United States. In the process, he had to create name recognition where there was none, ground down the much vaunted Clinton political name in the grueling primaries and then vanquished the Republican electoral machine that pulled victories out of thin air in the two previous elections for Bush. And he did all of this while overcoming a problem that dragged the U.S. into civil war, viz. the color of his skin. You must be kidding if you call that being given a free pass.
As for the international adulation, a lot of it is for the ability of the U.S. to re-invent itself, especially when it is plumbing it's darkest depths. A majority white electorate electing a black man cannot be more out of the political box thinking than that. This is causing more shock-and-awe in international circles than all the military wizardry used to overwhelm Saddam Hussein's military.
His election may even cause a lot of soul-searching in countries like Kenya, the Sudan, Congo etc. where ethnic rivalries either threaten to tear or have already torn those countries apart. If the son of one of their own can become President of the most powerful country nearly half a world away, then why can't they rise beyond their own narrow tribal loyalties?
lol, you've never been to a 3rd world country have you? You think greed is bad here.
Btw, he hasn't risen to President yet. January 20th is his big day. I agree that OP is kinda out there though.
Au contrare, I am now living in a third world country so I know a little bit about institutional greed based on cronyism. I am an eternal optimist so maybe I overdid it with my last paragraph but the fundamental premise of my argument that the U.S. is now looked up to stands.
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: QueBert
Obama won't be able to deliver on all his promises. Where Bush was unable to deliver on ANY of his. Didn't Bush say he would stop at nothing to find Bin Laden? Hell if Obama can deliver on a single promise he's already ahead of Bush
why must everyone bring bush into the discussion? we're talking about obama and his lack of anything - not bush and his incompetence. i know you think having a poor president is a good enough reason to worship obama, but it isn't.
What are you talking about? Obama has barely been President-elect for one day and already you're passing judgement on his entire administration. I'm fine with being skeptical, or having a wait-and-see attitude...but this is just ridiculous.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Is it just me or is the entire world bowing down to Obama?
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
the entire world has given obama a free pass. there could be evidence proving obama was the son of a satan - beyond a reasonable doubt, hell...beyond any doubt - and people still wouldn't believe it. right or wrong, you'd be a fool to deny the zealotry that is going on in america and around the world.
i hear in kenya they're creating a national obama day. lolz.
Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
the entire world has given obama a free pass. there could be evidence proving obama was the son of a satan - beyond a reasonable doubt, hell...beyond any doubt - and people still wouldn't believe it. right or wrong, you'd be a fool to deny the zealotry that is going on in america and around the world.
i hear in kenya they're creating a national obama day. lolz.
I think you are totally missing the point.
Bush has for so long, treated the rest of the world like they didnt matter - ignoring the UN, invading Iraq... Now they are happy to see someone else in power that doesnt share his mentality that all. Peple are talking about Bush in this thread, because Bush is relevant, and is the reason other countries are so interested this time around. We are the most powerful nation on Earth, and our descisions matter to the world. The piss poor descision making from our president for hte past years is the only reason for the jubilation.
There is no free pass... he isnt even prez.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: QueBert
Obama won't be able to deliver on all his promises. Where Bush was unable to deliver on ANY of his. Didn't Bush say he would stop at nothing to find Bin Laden? Hell if Obama can deliver on a single promise he's already ahead of Bush
why must everyone bring bush into the discussion? we're talking about obama and his lack of anything - not bush and his incompetence. i know you think having a poor president is a good enough reason to worship obama, but it isn't.
What are you talking about? Obama has barely been President-elect for one day and already you're passing judgement on his entire administration. I'm fine with being skeptical, or having a wait-and-see attitude...but this is just ridiculous.
not passing judgment on his entire administration - that's ludicrous. he's not even president yet. passing judgment on obama as a person and politician, however is perfectly fine.
look at obama from a clear perspective - forget his half-blackness, forget his name, forget the self-created image, forget the sappy speeches or attack ads - focus on his history, his voting record, his personal life, and most important, his friends. those qualities will determine his competency as a president, not the medias perception.
also, forget about bush. that should be independent from an opinion of obama. the "anybody is better than bush" argument is entirely moot and woefully naive.
why must everyone bring bush into the discussion? we're talking about obama and his lack of anything - not bush and his incompetence. i know you think having a poor president is a good enough reason to worship obama, but it isn't.
What are you talking about? Obama has barely been President-elect for one day and already you're passing judgement on his entire administration. I'm fine with being skeptical, or having a wait-and-see attitude...but this is just ridiculous.
not passing judgment on his entire administration - that's ludicrous. he's not even president yet. passing judgment on obama as a person and politician, however is perfectly fine.
look at obama from a clear perspective - forget his half-blackness, forget his name, forget the self-created image, forget the sappy speeches or attack ads - focus on his history, his voting record, his personal life, and most important, his friends. those qualities will determine his competency as a president, not the medias perception.
also, forget about bush. that should be independent from an opinion of obama. the "anybody is better than bush" argument is entirely moot and woefully naive.
Who are his friends? You don't know, and never bothered to find out.
Yet you think it's the most important part of judging him? You're full of it.
Hint, Ayers was never a friend, and Wright was his preacher not his friend.
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Give it the fuck up. You lost. Your time of overly divisive politics is over.
Deal.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
im not arguing that - but how does this justify obama as president? russia hated the tzar, and then turned to the bolsheviks, 5 million people died. germany was pissed over the reparations, turned to hitler, 80 million die. there are many cases in history where the population resents the current administration and turns to the first guy who says hope and change - what separates obama from these people? im not comparing obama to hitler, im simply comparing public opinion and its disregard for critical thinking.
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Give it the fuck up. You lost. Your time of overly divisive politics is over.
Deal.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
im not arguing that - but how does this justify obama as president? russia hated the tzar, and then turned to the bolsheviks, 5 million people died. germany was pissed over the reparations, turned to hitler, 80 million die. there are many cases in history where the population resents the current administration and turns to the first guy who says hope and change - what separates obama from these people? im not comparing obama to hitler, im simply comparing public opinion and its disregard for critical thinking.
Wow! :shocked:
Just two days after the election and the hate-tards are already invoking Godwin's Law, with an extra helping of Bolshevism thrown in.
Damn, countlessshrieksdude, you'd better hope for a better prescription drug plan from De Magick National Socialist Negro, that lithium and zanax doesn't just buy itself, you know. :roll:
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Is it just me or is the entire world bowing down to Obama?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame...tions_2008/7711321.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7710239.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7710394.stm
http://elections.foxnews.com/2...apanese-city-obama-cel
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...ld.reaction/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...ya.reaction/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27557276/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...tional.press.reaction/
What would happen if Obama failed to deliver all of his promises? Lolz.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
im not arguing that - but how does this justify obama as president? russia hated the tzar, and then turned to the bolsheviks, 5 million people died. germany was pissed over the reparations, turned to hitler, 80 million die. there are many cases in history where the population resents the current administration and turns to the first guy who says hope and change - what separates obama from these people? im not comparing obama to hitler, im simply comparing public opinion and its disregard for critical thinking.
Wow! :shocked:
Just two days after the election and the hate-tards are already invoking Godwin's Law, with an extra helping of Bolshevism thrown in.
Damn, countlessshrieksdude, you'd better hope for a better prescription drug plan from De Magick National Socialist Negro, that lithium and zanax doesn't just buy itself, you know. :roll:
look, my post was logical and and i can provide sources if need-be. there was no need to attack me. clearly im not dealing with like-minded people.
im not trying to persuade, just simply offer basic information. u can either accept it or reject it, the choice is yours. but eventually, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, ur gonna wish i was wrong.
Fixed.Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
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look, my post was logical and and i can provide sources if need-be. there was no need to attack me. clearly I'm not dealing from a full deck of cards.
im not trying to persuade, just simply offer basic snipes. u can either accept it or reject it, the choice is yours. but eventually, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, ur gonna wish i had never started posting here.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
why must everyone bring bush into the discussion? we're talking about obama and his lack of anything - not bush and his incompetence. i know you think having a poor president is a good enough reason to worship obama, but it isn't.
What are you talking about? Obama has barely been President-elect for one day and already you're passing judgement on his entire administration. I'm fine with being skeptical, or having a wait-and-see attitude...but this is just ridiculous.
not passing judgment on his entire administration - that's ludicrous. he's not even president yet. passing judgment on obama as a person and politician, however is perfectly fine.
look at obama from a clear perspective - forget his half-blackness, forget his name, forget the self-created image, forget the sappy speeches or attack ads - focus on his history, his voting record, his personal life, and most important, his friends. those qualities will determine his competency as a president, not the medias perception.
also, forget about bush. that should be independent from an opinion of obama. the "anybody is better than bush" argument is entirely moot and woefully naive.
Who are his friends? You don't know, and never bothered to find out.
uhh....jeffrey wright (pastor/mentor)? bill ayers(friend)? frank marshall davis(friend)? acorc organization (worked for)? plus, the countless of unknown friends he had made while a member of the radical socialist new party in the mid/late 90s.
Yet you think it's the most important part of judging him? You're full of it.
whatever floats your boat man. some people become inspired by speeches, some people watch ads and are persuaded, and others just join the bandwagon. i do my best to look at the facts and completely ignore the words that come out of politician's mouths. that's the safest route to be an informed citizen imo.
Hint, Ayers was never a friend, and Wright was his preacher not his friend.
oh right, he simply was his pastor for 20 years. baptized his kids, arranged his marriage, etc..
only a true zealout would ignore these facts. r u a zealot?
Is this true? Proof?Originally posted by: XZeroII
They are just hoping that things go back to the way they were when Clinton was in office. Remember how Clinton was selling nuclear secrets to China by the end of his last term? The main reason why we weren't popular when Bush was in office was because he didn't cave in to their pressure. Hopefully America doesn't become the world's lapdog.
People could know each other or be friends on not agree on everything.. Like... you could have a friend or even your spouse in which you disagree on some issues but still love them as a friend/spouse..
The funny thing is that McCain is friends with Bush and voted with him 90% of the time..
Bush, the person who invaded Iraq, causing 2 million Iraqis to emigrate, and causing the deaths of 100s of thousands of civilians, while doubling our deficit... Have any of Obama's "friends" done anything on this level of destruction? Plus, he did it while wrapping himself in the flag.
Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: TallBill
lol, you've never been to a 3rd world country have you? You think greed is bad here.
Btw, he hasn't risen to President yet. January 20th is his big day. I agree that OP is kinda out there though.
Au contrare, I am now living in a third world country so I know a little bit about institutional greed based on cronyism. I am an eternal optimist so maybe I overdid it with my last paragraph but the fundamental premise of my argument that the U.S. is now looked up to stands.
Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
People could know each other or be friends on not agree on everything.. Like... you could have a friend or even your spouse in which you disagree on some issues but still love them as a friend/spouse..
true, but it wasn't just wright. the entire church was knee-deep in black liberation supremacy. why would obama attend a church with a pastor he LOVES, but disagrees with. that makes no sense, and ur clearly spinning the issue.
The funny thing is that McCain is friends with Bush and voted with him 90% of the time..
i got that from an obama speech. since when is obama the resident expert on mccain?
ill explain in simple terms the political relationship between bush and mccain:
bush belongs to the executive branch. mccain does not. to say mccain sided with bush 90% is a misleading statement since vetoing/voting is not as cut and dry as obama portrays it as. compromises, negotiations, and deals occur. mccain is by far one of the most liberal republicans out there, especially on social issues. lest u forget - bush totally betrayed mccain in the 2000 election.
any/all support mccain has had for bush was done to simply maintained the party platform. obama and biden would have done the same thing.
also - obama is 99% strictly democratic. nothing unique about his political record other than the fact that he was a member of a radical socialist party.
Bush, the person who invaded Iraq, causing 2 million Iraqis to emigrate, and causing the deaths of 100s of thousands of civilians, while doubling our deficit... Have any of Obama's "friends" done anything on this level of destruction? Plus, he did it while wrapping himself in the flag.
blah blah blah.
i cant take this seriously.