The reaction from foreign countries..

[counterstrikedude]

Blah blah blah? 2 million evacuated, 100s of thousands of innocents killed, causing 2 9/11s to ourselves in deaths, and bankrupting the country is blah blah?

ur derailing my thread on obama with bush rants. as ive said before, whatever bad things bush did, should not influence obama's competence as a president. of course we hate bush, but the "anything is better than bush" attitude is incredible naive and as i said, woefully ignorant.

Btw, McCain bragged about voting with Bush 90% of the time and it is on video.. not from an obama speech.

sound bites don't count. whatever mccain might have said, bush is not part of the legislative process. do i need to spell it out for you?

Notice how you stuck with only Wright, but ignored the rest?

i ignored the rest for time purposes. if u want an essay on ayers, wright, etc...there are plenty of sites solely dedicated to exposing obama.

Can't explain the rest of the "associations" can you? Being on a board once with Ayers for example. Why does he have to agree with his radical views to be acquainted with him or to serve with him?

bleh.

As for Wright, I haven't quite heard anything that he has said that's been wrong...

well then ur deaf.

We did indeed bring 9/11 on ourselves by invading and creating israel, propping up ME dictators we like, supplying them with endless money by refusing to push for alternative fuels or gas efficient cars... If you constantly manipulate a region and ensure their people stay poor and therefore, religiously fundamental, who do you expect those people to blame?

even obama doesnt believe this horse shit. i dont know where u get ur info, but ur clearly misguided.


im not going to give you the waste my time debunking every statement u made, but perhaps someone else will.

i need 2 finish a paper so c ya!

 

[gdtaylor]

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
What does it say about America good or bad that we dont give a flying fuck about when other countries elect different leaders?

As an Australian I make the following observations:

1. Many Americans know very little about the rest of the world.

2. Many Americans are ignorant about their own country as well (witness the number of people who still think Obama is Muslim).

3. The world view of many Americans appears to be very simplistic. ie A good/evil view of the world.

4. You DO care when someone is elected that you don't like, and have even supported the bloody overthrow of elected/popular governments, particularly in South America. Unfortunately many Americans are either ignorant of or support US interference with "unfriendly" governments.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
...
im not going to give you the waste my time debunking every statement u made, but perhaps someone else will.

i need 2 finish a paper so c ya!

No, we're going to form a prayer group that won't include prayers for your safe return.

 

[counterstrikedude]

As an Australian I make the following observations:

1. Many Americans know very little about the rest of the world.

dont care.

2. Many Americans are ignorant about their own country as well (witness the number of people who still think Obama is Muslim).

dont care.

3. The world view of many Americans appears to be very simplistic. ie A good/evil view of the world.

DONT.
CARE.

I dont consider an Australian a resident expert of American politics. Nor do I consider him an expert on Obama.

Might I add - with Australian's new hate crime laws, how are ur muslim brothers? i had a friend who was arrested for spreading "hate speech" (a.k.a criticizing muslims).

how's that working out @ the ol' penal colony? :roll:

 

[gdtaylor]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
I dont consider an Australian a resident expert of American politics. Nor do I consider him an expert on Obama.

I'm not an expert on US politics, not by a long shot. However you might be surprised by the both the breadth and depth of Australian coverage of the US elections and US politics in general. We are not as ill-informed as you seem to think.

Might I add - with Australian's new hate crime laws, how are ur muslim brothers? i had a friend who was arrested for spreading "hate speech" (a.k.a criticizing muslims).

I disagree with those laws. They are overly broad and chill free and fair discussion of the issues.

DONT.
CARE.

Ignorance is bliss?

 

[counterstrikedude]

I'm not an expert on US politics, not by a long shot. However you might be surprised by the both the breadth and depth of Australian coverage of the US elections and US politics in general. We are not as ill-informed as you seem to think.

well u clearly havent demonstrated ur thoughtfulness. just take ur stamp and join the 4.5 billion foreigners who believe they know more about america than americans do.

Ignorance is bliss?

something we can agree on.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
I dont consider an Australian a resident expert of American politics. Nor do I consider him an expert on Obama.

Oh, the irony.

 

[sandorski]

hehe, hopefully he finds a clue during his vacation.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: gdtaylor

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
What does it say about America good or bad that we dont give a flying fuck about when other countries elect different leaders?

As an Australian I make the following observations:

1. Many Americans know very little about the rest of the world.

2. Many Americans are ignorant about their own country as well (witness the number of people who still think Obama is Muslim).

3. The world view of many Americans appears to be very simplistic. ie A good/evil view of the world.

4. You DO care when someone is elected that you don't like, and have even supported the bloody overthrow of elected/popular governments, particularly in South America. Unfortunately many Americans are either ignorant of or support US interference with "unfriendly" governments.

1. right on point

2. I think a whole lot claim he's Muslim so they can avoid admitting the real reason they hate him - he's Black. We have a shit load of closet racists in America, hell a lot are in denial and don't even know it. If I said I hate a Black dude I'm a racist, but if I say I hate a Muslim it will go over with less turbulence from others. And make me look like less of a racist ass hat. Not saying we don't have people who are dumb enough to believe he's a Muslim, there are plenty of those, but it's just an excuse for a whole lot of others.

3. Good/evil if the person even knows shit to begin with. lol

 

[counterstrikedude]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
I dont consider an Australian a resident expert of American politics. Nor do I consider him an expert on Obama.

Oh, the irony.

that's not irony.

 

[gdtaylor]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
well u clearly havent demonstrated ur thoughtfulness. just take ur stamp and join the 4.5 billion foreigners who believe they know more about america than americans do.

I'm not sure what you think Obama is going to do that is going to be so terrible for America. Even if Obama is a radical socialist as some claim there is no chance in hell that any truly radical proposals would get through the house and senate. The Democrats do not have the numbers to force legislation through the senate without support from at least one Republican senator. Even if the Democrats did have a filibuster proof majority in both houses, American representatives do not vote along strict party lines. If a bill was brought to nationalise health care for example many Democrats would vote against this.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Blah blah blah? 2 million evacuated, 100s of thousands of innocents killed, causing 2 9/11s to ourselves in deaths, and bankrupting the country is blah blah?

ur derailing my thread on obama with bush rants. as ive said before, whatever bad things bush did, should not influence obama's competence as a president. of course we hate bush, but the "anything is better than bush" attitude is incredible naive and as i said, woefully ignorant.

Btw, McCain bragged about voting with Bush 90% of the time and it is on video.. not from an obama speech.

sound bites don't count. whatever mccain might have said, bush is not part of the legislative process. do i need to spell it out for you?

Notice how you stuck with only Wright, but ignored the rest?

i ignored the rest for time purposes. if u want an essay on ayers, wright, etc...there are plenty of sites solely dedicated to exposing obama.

Can't explain the rest of the "associations" can you? Being on a board once with Ayers for example. Why does he have to agree with his radical views to be acquainted with him or to serve with him?

bleh.

As for Wright, I haven't quite heard anything that he has said that's been wrong...

well then ur deaf.

We did indeed bring 9/11 on ourselves by invading and creating israel, propping up ME dictators we like, supplying them with endless money by refusing to push for alternative fuels or gas efficient cars... If you constantly manipulate a region and ensure their people stay poor and therefore, religiously fundamental, who do you expect those people to blame?

even obama doesnt believe this horse shit. i dont know where u get ur info, but ur clearly misguided.


im not going to give you the waste my time debunking every statement u made, but perhaps someone else will.

i need 2 finish a paper so c ya!

You didn't answer any of it.

Our policies in the ME caused enough hate for 9/11... try reading up on history. If you supply dictators with endless money and invade/create states in a foreign land, they probably might hate you for it.

Couldn't name a single thing Wright said that was wrong, could you...

"whatever mccain might have said, bush is not part of the legislative process. do i need to spell it out for you?"



CAVUTO: Let me ask you, Senator, all things being equal right now and given the fact that you differ with the president so strongly on this tax cut and on some of these spending issues, would you ever consider challenging him for the Republican nomination next year?

MCCAIN: No, no. But, look, the president and I agree on most issues. There was a recent study that showed that I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude
the entire world has given obama a free pass. there could be evidence proving obama was the son of a satan - beyond a reasonable doubt, hell...beyond any doubt - and people still wouldn't believe it. right or wrong, you'd be a fool to deny the zealotry that is going on in america and around the world.

i hear in kenya they're creating a national obama day. lolz.

I think you are totally missing the point.

Bush has for so long, treated the rest of the world like they didnt matter - ignoring the UN, invading Iraq... Now they are happy to see someone else in power that doesnt share his mentality that all. Peple are talking about Bush in this thread, because Bush is relevant, and is the reason other countries are so interested this time around. We are the most powerful nation on Earth, and our descisions matter to the world. The piss poor descision making from our president for hte past years is the only reason for the jubilation.

im not arguing that - but how does this justify obama as president? russia hated the tzar, and then turned to the bolsheviks, 5 million people died. germany was pissed over the reparations, turned to hitler, 80 million die. there are many cases in history where the population resents the current administration and turns to the first guy who says hope and change - what separates obama from these people? im not comparing obama to hitler, im simply comparing public opinion and its disregard for critical thinking.

im not a fan of bush, but that doesnt mean im gonna invest my full support to a guy who is simply against bush.

There is no free pass... he isnt even prez.

oh please. im sure if mccain went to a white supremacist church, had his kids baptized by a white supremacist, had his marriage arranged by a white supremacist, and was mentored by a white supremacist, the media would have raped every hole in his body.

they gave obama a free pass, and then some.

Why does Bush suck=Obama? Not specific reason other than Obama is the democratic nominee. Who else are you to vote for ? It was McCain or Obama... Obama won. So, you dont need to lend your full support, but at least wait and see what he does... Most conservatives think he will do all the things that the republican talking points said he will do... thats politics and not reality (and most of it not true).

As far as the church you are so extreme, and so wrong... It isnt an racist church. the damn church is half white. You dont understand the angst that older blacks have living through what they did and prolly never will. Its not racist and its not anti American. Its was just venting anger. GET OVER IT!

He is YOUR president too now. At least give him a shot and dont compare him to Hitler and Stalin, or black racists. None of it holds any water or relevance at all.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Might I add - with Australian's new hate crime laws, how are ur muslim brothers? i had a friend who was arrested for spreading "hate speech" (a.k.a criticizing muslims).

how's that working out @ the ol' penal colony? :roll:

Australia is one of the most violently racist societies on Earth. Their international image is (other than Crocodile Dundee) is their White Australia policy and the recent massive, violent race riots targeting minorities. Spreading hate speech can make you popular there.

 

[gdtaylor]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Australia is one of the most violently racist societies on Earth.

Australia wouldn't even rate in the top ten of the most violent racist societies on earth.

Their international image is (other than Crocodile Dundee) is their White Australia policy and the recent massive, violent race riots targeting minorities. Spreading hate speech can make you popular there.

The White Australia policy was abandoned in the early 1970s (and had been watered down since the 1940s). The riots in Cronulla, were widely condemned by the Australian community and great efforts have been made to heal the rifts caused by the riots. The riots were also nowhere near the scale or level of violence seen in racially motivated riots in American cities or many European countries.

 

[twjr]

Originally posted by: gdtaylor

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
What does it say about America good or bad that we dont give a flying fuck about when other countries elect different leaders?

As an Australian I make the following observations:

1. Many Americans know very little about the rest of the world.

2. Many Americans are ignorant about their own country as well (witness the number of people who still think Obama is Muslim).

3. The world view of many Americans appears to be very simplistic. ie A good/evil view of the world.

4. You DO care when someone is elected that you don't like, and have even supported the bloody overthrow of elected/popular governments, particularly in South America. Unfortunately many Americans are either ignorant of or support US interference with "unfriendly" governments.

I too agree with many of these statements. In New Zealand (where I'm from) I would say that the average person is much better informed about the world in general than the average American. However, I think this is at the expense of national pride which is overrated in my opinion.

And to the posters about Australia being racist. While there is some racial tension it pales in comparison to the overt nature of racism present in America, be it anti-black or anti-Muslim.

But then what do I know I'm just from some sheep fucking country in the South Pacific?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: gdtaylor

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Australia is one of the most violently racist societies on Earth.

Australia wouldn't even rate in the top ten of the most violent racist societies on earth.

Australians are extremely racist. That is their international image.

The White Australia policy was abandoned in the early 1970s (and had been watered down since the 1940s). The riots in Cronulla, were widely condemned by the Australian community and great efforts have been made to heal the rifts caused by the riots. The riots were also nowhere near the scale or level of violence seen in racially motivated riots in American cities or many European countries.

Yes, I know it was abandoned, but that is what Australia is still known for. Crocodile Dundee, White Australia, and the riots.

Of course the riots were smaller, Australia has a small population, especially because of its racist immigration policies. The riots were mass scale riots of the majority terrorizing a minority. The riots in France were minority groups rioting due to injustice. Australia's was the majority trying to genocide a minority group.

Unfortunately, your blind nationalism clouds your vision and prevents any advancement in this issue.

 

[gdtaylor]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Australians are extremely racist. That is their international image.

While I am sure there are some people with that opinion (particularly in Malaysia and Indonesia) I believe that Australia is generally viewed favorably overseas.

Australia's was the majority trying to genocide a minority group.

That's completely ludicrous. There wasn't even a single death from the riots, yet you think it was attempted genocide?

Unfortunately, your blind nationalism clouds your vision and prevents any advancement in this issue.

I'm quite critical of Australia's handling of a number of issues, including our continuing mistreatment treatment of Aborigines.