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autosax

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hahahaaaa

I am not working for any SSD manufacture, I don't care someone will ban me or not. if Anand don't like my words, it would be fine. Just like OCZ forum, they don't accept different voice.

 

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groberts101

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Wendy is a very well respected reviewer over at www.myce.com. The fact that she can give unbiased opinion on many different mfgr products should add credibility to the opinion she has given here. I'm sure Anand, knows this himself as well.

As for myself?.. well.. I have tried 3 other SSD controllers from various mfgrs and decided to use OCZ products because I'm more of the extreme power user type and find better performance with their products in general. I make no excuses for that or being where I am and actively recommend them to others still despite all the issues to date. To me, it(tier 1 or 2) doesn't really make much difference in a consumer based drive simply because I will be upgrading far before the warranty has expired anyways. In a enterprise drive where premium prices and mission critical/extremely high data usage?.. yes of course. I really don't need these drives to last 5 years and the kids will be happy to have them as a hand-me-downs for their game rig later on. Not to mention it'd be like sticking with an old USB stick running at 1.0 speeds just because it was the top line model of its day and you payed a premium price for it. To me, small capacity and slow performance would not justify getting that last bit of usage out of it just to get your moneys worth. Such is cutting edge tech's cost of ownership and early adopters pay the highest price.

My opinions here are not much different then anywhere else I would post them. In fact, my typically unbiased opinion often gets me into trouble over there as well since first and foremost, I'm a consumer just like all the rest of you. However, it's this hard nosed unbiased attitude that actually paved the way for the recent invitation to beta-test the new Vertex 3 drive. Right.. or wrong.. I just call it like I see it and won't be bought. In fact, I almost turned down the opportunity because I was worried it may affect my forum activity/obligate me in some way or make me feel "kept". lol

To me this subject really just boils down to marketing strategy and goes far beyond basic consumer awareness "we got your back" good doings on OWC's part. If the blood wasn't already spilled from the whole 25nm switch debacle, they wouldn't be spending their time digging at the wound that OCZ inflicted on themselves. Then of course all the OCZ flamers wouldn't have this thread to use as a punching bag to relieve their frustrations.

In the end, I think many more would be better spent to just buy hardware, use it, and then report on things they have firsthand knowledge of, rather than speculating and riding waves of ridicule or making conjecture of things they don't understand or have any experience with. I know it will certainly take more than some pictures, conjecture, and conspiracy theory to make me turn my back on a mfgr of which I've owned more than 50 SSD, 15 of which still reside in this house alone. If that makes me a fanboy?.. then so be it. At least I'm basing it on actual data and experience, which is more than can be said about some posting opinions here.
 
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miso

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I simply avoid the OCZ drives. To ensure wider profit margins, tricks on the capacity, halve the channels available to the controller, buy lower quality NAND (compared to other producers). All this without notifying the user.
The worst cheaters in the market for hardware manufacturers :thumbsdown:
 

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I simply avoid the OCZ drives. To ensure wider profit margins, tricks on the capacity, halve the channels available to the controller, buy lower quality NAND (compared to other producers). All this without notifying the user.



The part that bothers me the most about the whole OCZ thing (and I have read the whole debate on the OCZ Forum) is the fact that they introduced the 25nm SSD's with lower performance and capacity without any change to model #, revision #, or any method short of opening the drive to tell the difference. I was in the process of buying a new SSD when I ran across the discussion about the 25nm fiasco on their site. I was well pleased with the OCZ Vertex LE I had and was leaning towards the OCZ Vertex 2 until I started reading what OCZ had done. Needless to say I bought another brand (Mushkin). Now I am reading about the type flash they use and the debate on the quality. I have read many reviews on SSD drives and they always open up the drives and show pictures of the chips. This is the first one that I have seen that even hints at the use of possibly lower grade chips. If it is as prevalent as some indicate why has it not been discovered in all the reviews?

They (OCZ) may have good drives but they need to take a long hard look at their business practices and ethics. I'm not saying I will not buy another OCZ SSD but I will be much more cautious then I would have been in the past.

I have 4 SSD's, 1- OCZ Vertex LE, 2 Intel, and 1 Mushkin.
 
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ronbo613

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If that makes me a fanboy?.. then so be it. At least I'm basing it on actual data and experience, which is more than can be said about some posting opinions here.
Recently I purchased an OCZ SSD, I am very disappointed with the drive and even more disappointed with OCZ support and business policies. As I spent a good deal of time on the OCZ Forum(aka Customer Support) and anywhere else I can get usable information about OCZ products, I recognize some of the posters in this discussion. groberts101 is a OCZ "fanboy" for sure, posting as much on the OCZ Forum as the Forum moderators. He is either getting OCZ products for free, or enjoys working for free, I don't know for sure. The OP has also been to the OCZ Forum, on the other side of the argument, maybe one of OCZ's competitors, maybe one of the many frustrated customers who have been burned by OCZ, I don't know for sure about that either. Personally, I'm just a basic computer enthusiast who bought into OCZ's BS marketing claims and got burned.
I don't know if OCZ is using Tier 1 chips or pieces of cardboard in their SSDs, I don't care anymore. I'll never buy any of their products again and recommend nobody else does either. They sell questionable products, use paying customers to test them out, then when you ask for help on their wonderful forum, you'll find out that, according to OCZ, the problem is that you are just too stupid to be using their drives or the problem is with your computer, no matter what kind of computer you have. The condescending nature of the OCZ Forum's moderators(and pseudo moderators/fanboys) is just what you need when your new OCZ SSD turns up dead and you're trying to get some assistance.
Even if this chip whole deal turns out to be a stunt by some other SSD manufacturer, the reason it even being discussed is because you can't trust OCZ under any circumstances.
 

groberts101

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Thanks for the compliments ronboy.

By the way,.. there's a new 1.32 firmware out now that will fix the "SANDFORCE INCOMPATIBILITY" problem that some are having with these controllers. Other mfgrs are surely getting the same fixes implemented as well since they too suffer from the same issues due to using IDENTICAL controllers. Might want to have a look to fix your drive up if you haven't dumped it yet.
 

kingtaro

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It surprises me that even though OCZ has done their business in an unethical way, they still got so many fanboys after the whole debate. Their marketing team is surely the master.
 

Old Hippie

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It surprises me that even though OCZ has done their business in an unethical way, they still got so many fanboys after the whole debate. Their marketing team is surely the master.

Their SSDs aren't bad drives just mediocre but OCZ's testing methods lead many to believe that they're faster than they really are.

Even though I knew the truth about their testing methods I purchased two Vertex2s last year just to see for myself.

They paled in comparison to my Intel G2s and I sold them as soon as I could.

I wouldn't be suprised with anything about OCZ or their fanbois.
 

groberts101

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I could really care less about the company themselves. I buy based on performance. And performance is good. Also a top rated controller across ALL review sites regardless of what people think about advertising numbers. Proofs in the real usage.

Big difference with a Sandforce controlled drive is the special ability to speed up beyond other drives with more easily compressed data. Of which much of the OS consists of.

Unfortunately, the controller also has some built in throttling algorithms(Durawrite) that makes it a poor choice for heavy incompressible data streams(vids,pics,music,zips,rars,etc), but if the user knows how to bypass those it's the sweetest controller of all 5 I've used so far. Vertex 3's throttling algorithms have changed this negative with major improvements. So sit back and just watch the V3 rise and stick at the top just like the V2's did. Plus this one will have far less Sandforce compatibility issues than the first gen did due to much improved firmware out of the gate.

And for the record.. I'd much rather be a "fanboy" than a "flamer" as that seems to be a much more miserable existence since negativity breeds contempt.

Never lost a drive(have 7 V2's).. never corrupted.. never sleep issues since I don't use it.. and one of the best RMA services in the industry with a 3 year warranty? Why wouldn't I be a fanboy? lol
 

ronbo613

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And for the record.. I'd much rather be a "fanboy" than a "flamer" as that seems to be a much more miserable existence since negativity breeds contempt.
For the "record":
Although being a V3 beta tester has given me insight that I cannot share due to NDA.........
You are an OCZ shill; you get free OCZ SSDs and in return you plug their products all over the internet.
 

autosax

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I simply avoid the OCZ drives. To ensure wider profit margins, tricks on the capacity, halve the channels available to the controller, buy lower quality NAND (compared to other producers). All this without notifying the user.
The worst cheaters in the market for hardware manufacturers :thumbsdown:

Good job, miso
I can't agree with you any more
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taltamir

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didn't we establish that their NAND isn't bad and that this was a case of FUD?
I wouldn't trust OCZ after their recent behavior, but I wouldn't want to spread misinformation either. They are guilty of enough things without adding fictional ones to them.
 

groberts101

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I won't/don't change my opinion just because I tested a V3. I'm certainly not easily kept(a $500 drive buys my time to run around posting about the benefits of Sandforce?..LOL) and my mouth runs far ahead of my tact most of the time. There are many here who probably could/would, but I'm not one of them.

I call it the way I see it and based off of personal testing. So flame all ya want, but it must get pretty hot in there.
 
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