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Josh128

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Show me where the Democrats mandated any of this?

It's just a minority of people being the people they are, and the right vilifying and hate mongering against them.
Straw-man argument on your part. I didnt say they mandated anything. I specifically said they pander to non-sensical transgender grievances and devote much more time and effort to them than is warranted by their number.
 

brycejones

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Straw-man argument on your part. I didnt say they mandated anything. I specifically said they pander to non-sensical transgender grievances and devote much more time and effort to them than is warranted by their number.
So to be clear advocating that all people be treated with respect and dignity and free to make their own life choices is “non-sensical” in your opinion and makes someone “far left”?
 
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Josh128

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The issue is a lot of the 'points' you are bringing up are untrue or wild partisan exaggerations.

If you are genuinely interested in engaging on those points I would start off by picking one, clearly stating your opinion on it, and providing evidence to support it. Then we can discuss it like adults.
Illegal immigration. I already provided damning evidence to support it. The fact that Biden would not only give his blessing to resume construction of the border wall after making an initial spectacle of halting its construction, but going to the extreme of using executive power to pave the way for building more border barriers is telling.
 

Heartbreaker

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Straw-man argument on your part. I didnt say they mandated anything. I specifically said they pander to non-sensical transgender grievances and devote much more time and effort to them than is warranted by their number.

You are claiming this is somehow evidence of the government being far left.

So what is the Government role in Drag Queen Story time??

Not condemning it, or suing the library with constitution violating lawsuits?

Not terrorizing the performers so they go back into hiding?
 

Josh128

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So to be clear advocating that all people be treated with respect and dignity and free to make their own life choices is “non-sensical” in your opinion and makes someone “far left”?
Allowing, and in fact encouraging, transgender men to compete in womens sport competition is not treating all people with dignity and respect. And that is the position the democratic party has chosen over the past decade. Your comment appears tainted with bias from the start. Its time for you to be serious in discussion.

I'll give a solution. If transgender people want to compete in athletics, they either compete in their assigned at birth gender, or they create their own transgender categories or leagues. But the creation of such leagues need to be entirely funded by them, and not by taxpayer monies unless such laws are passed on local and state levels.
 

Heartbreaker

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Allowing, and in fact encouraging, transgender men to compete in womens sport competition is not treating all people with dignity and respect. And that is the position the democratic party has chosen over the past decade. Your comment appears tainted with bias from the start. Its time for you to be serious in discussion.

I'll give a solution. If transgender people want to compete in athletics, they either compete in their assigned at birth gender, or they create their own transgender categories or leagues. But the creation of such leagues need to be entirely funded by them, and not by taxpayer monies unless such laws are passed on local and state levels.

Just like with your complaint with Drag Queen Story time, show me the government role in this. Not what you heard in your favorite right wing echo chamber.
 
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brycejones

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Allowing, and in fact encouraging, transgender men to compete in womens sport competition is not treating all people with dignity and respect. And that is the position the democratic party has chosen over the past decade. Your comment appears tainted with bias from the start. Its time for you to be serious in discussion.

I'll give a solution. If transgender people want to compete in athletics, they either compete in their assigned at birth gender, or they create their own transgender categories or leagues. But the creation of such leagues need to be entirely funded by them, and not by taxpayer monies unless such laws are passed on local and state levels.

You seem to have an odd hatred of a trans people. I have a better idea why don’t we allow sport governing bodies to make decisions based on factors that actually influence success in sports. Your hyper concern about “fairness” in women’s sports is actually just another form of misogyny.

One of the biggest voices expressing how unfair it is a swimmer who tied for fifth. Nothing was taken from her she didn’t have the physical gifts to beat 4 other competitors. Sports is inherently unfair.
 

Josh128

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You are claiming this is somehow evidence of the government being far left.

So what is the Government role in Drag Queen Story time??

Not condemning it, or suing the library with constitution violating lawsuits?

Not terrorizing the performers so they go back into hiding?
The governments role was empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur in places where they are clearly unwelcome due to local socially acceptable norms and morals. They were clearly unwelcome, and due to the public outcry, the local government prevented the event from taking place.
 

Josh128

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You seem to have an odd hatred of a trans people. I have a better idea why don’t we allow sport governing bodies to make decisions based on factors that actually influence success in sports. Your hyper concern about “fairness” in women’s sports is actually just another form of misogyny.
I dont hate transgender people at all. Why would you say that other than to shift the argument at hand and attempt to slander my character?

Are you saying that you dont believe natural born men have unfair advantages over natural born women in athleticism?
 
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brycejones

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The governments role was empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur in places where they are clearly unwelcome due to local socially acceptable norms and morals. They were clearly unwelcome, and due to the public outcry, the local government prevented the event from taking place.

Do you know the quickest way to avoid drag time story hour if it is something you personally find offensive?

Don’t fucking go. There your problem is solved.
 
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The governments role was empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur in places where they are clearly unwelcome due to local socially acceptable norms and morals. They were clearly unwelcome, and due to the public outcry, the local government prevented the event from taking place.
The the places that were welcoming those events and the people who were attending them since they welcomed them.... none of them welcomed it? Do you ever read what you put BEFORE hitting enter?
 
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Paratus

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You have any substance to add rather than vague insults? Im telling you Im deadly serious. Address my points individually without insults, or you prove that you are nothing but a party loyal lemming.
Your anti-union pro corporatist sentiments means you would make for an extremely ineffective or actively damaging union president.

Whether you watch Fox News is besides the point. Your position mimics their stance on unions, corporations, and trans folks to a T. So you’ve uncritically swallowed that propaganda from wherever you were exposed to it.

I can’t make you think critically about it.
 

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Allowing, and in fact encouraging, transgender men to compete in womens sport competition
10. Ten people in the entire world. That is what we are talking about. More children are currently hospitalized with measles because the GOP don't believe in germ theory.
But let's talk about it anyway since you are obviously misinformed on the issue.
It is not the Democrats policy to encourage trans people to play in women's sports. All the Democrats want is to allow the sports leagues that actually know and run the sports to be able to make their own decisions on how to handle it. The Dem's policy is that does not need governmental interference. A concept that is actually pretty right of center.

creation of such leagues need to be entirely funded by them, and not by taxpayer monies unless such laws are passed on local and state levels.
First off, once again 10 people in all of sports. Not even one specific sport. There is no feasible way to form a league for trans people.
But more importantly, why do you think that they don't deserve the same benefits we give every other athlete? It really sounds like your position is more or less that the federal government should be used not to help people but to discriminate against the ones you don't like.
 

Josh128

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The the places that were welcoming those events and the people who were attending them since they welcomed them.... none of them welcomed it? Do you ever read what you put BEFORE hitting enter?
I can be ugly and insulting too. Are you illiterate? I said empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur where they are clearly unwelcome. Learn to read because you personally insult.
 

brycejones

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I dont hate transgender people at all. Why would you say that?

Are you saying that natural born men dont have unfair advantages over natural born women in athleticism?

I say that because it’s clear you do.

Are you saying all men are superior to women in athleticism? Are you saying some women don’t have innate advantages over other women or even many men in terms of athleticism?
 

IronWing

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Illegal immigration. I already provided damning evidence to support it. The fact that Biden would not only give his blessing to resume construction of the border wall after making an initial spectacle of halting its construction, but going to the extreme of using executive power to pave the way for building more border barriers is telling.
“the extreme of using executive power”, explain please.
 

Heartbreaker

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The governments role was empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur in places where they are clearly unwelcome due to local socially acceptable norms and morals. They were clearly unwelcome, and due to the public outcry, the local government prevented the event from taking place.

Again show some actual fucking evidence. I don't see any evidence, except that they aren't vilifying and hate mongering minorities like the right.

You keep saying the government is behind this with NO evidence. I looked long and hard, I found no support of transgender athletes by the Biden administration.

This support only exists in whatever right wing echo chamber you get your misinformation from.
 

fskimospy

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Illegal immigration. I already provided damning evidence to support it. The fact that Biden would not only give his blessing to resume construction of the border wall after making an initial spectacle of halting its construction, but going to the extreme of using executive power to pave the way for building more border barriers is telling.
Damning evidence in what way? Here's what you stated:

"Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years"

Can you provide evidence for this?
 
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I can be ugly and insulting too. Are you illiterate? I said empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur where they are clearly unwelcome. Learn to read because you personally insult.
Empowering people AND places OK with it to do it... So it was welcome. you can be whatever you want. Functionally intelligent doesn't seem to be one of them.
 

fskimospy

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I can be ugly and insulting too. Are you illiterate? I said empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur where they are clearly unwelcome. Learn to read because you personally insult.
Empowering on a national level how? Be specific.
 

pmv

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Allowing, and in fact encouraging, transgender men to compete in womens sport competition is not treating all people with dignity and respect. And that is the position the democratic party has chosen over the past decade. Your comment appears tainted with bias from the start. Its time for you to be serious in discussion.

I'll give a solution. If transgender people want to compete in athletics, they either compete in their assigned at birth gender, or they create their own transgender categories or leagues. But the creation of such leagues need to be entirely funded by them, and not by taxpayer monies unless such laws are passed on local and state levels.

Why is 'the government' involved in organised running-up-and-down-and-jumping-over-things at all? Screw organised sports - they're just big business and part of the entertainment industry. I don't see why the government has any role in that at all.
 
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Josh128

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Your anti-union pro corporatist sentiments means you would make for an extremely ineffective or actively damaging union president.

Whether you watch Fox News is besides the point. Your position mimics their stance on unions, corporations, and trans folks to a T. So you’ve uncritically swallowed that propaganda from wherever you were exposed to it.

I can’t make you think critically about it.
You are displaying your ignorance yet again. I am the only union president that had the balls to go to arbitration for a 20 year member that was fired. I have experience from both sides, and Im quite certain you dont, by your comments.

So now it doesnt matter that I dont watch propaganda news like Fox when all of a sudden it did an hour ago? The positions I take that intersect with Fox merely shows that I can make informed criticisms of apparent problems in society at large. Not every republican talking point is bad. You, thinking that they are, and painting with such a broad brush shows your ignorance and bias, thus again proving my point that a centrist party is not possible with a majority of minds like yours here.

What are your criticims of your chosen party? You have none? Im still waiting on that.
 
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An overwhelming majority oppose using religious beliefs to determine policy. How's that working out? You against that too?
 
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