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ivwshane

Lifer
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Good morning to you too Mr. Christian hating, slandering, lying bigot. Congratulations on passing the asshole test with flying colors.

My post below that got this all started was a response to the previous post about the democratic party making itself irrelevant, criticized both parties equally, and more importantly:

1.) Did not personally attack anyone here.
2.) Had valid criticisims of both parties.



And your criticisms were criticized and your bs was called out but you’ve chosen not to address any of the many points people have raised and instead you have concerned yourself with irrelevant posts that are mean to you. You aren’t fooling anyone.
 

K1052

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US and China are having an initial meeting in Geneva this weekend. Not out of the realm of possibility there is a pause declared for some amount of time. If such a thing happens every container ship afloat off Asia will set course for the US immediately drowning us in imports again and overwhelming the ports. Ships piling up off the ports. Warehouses will overflow. Railroads will choke on the sudden glut of traffic. Air freight rates will achieve low earth orbit. COVID all over again.

Companies will dump every dollar they can find into importing as much as possible as quickly as possible forgoing other investments in labor and capex.

This is no way to run the world's largest economy.
 

Heartbreaker

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Good morning to you too Mr. Christian hating, slandering, lying bigot. Congratulations on passing the asshole test with flying colors.

My post below that got this all started was a response to the previous post about the democratic party making itself irrelevant, criticized both parties equally, and more importantly:

1.) Did not personally attack anyone here.

You just did attack someone. Before that you engaged the common tactic of trolls. Post nonsense until people get sick of it, and then cry they are being attacked.

2.) Had valid criticisims of both parties.

It did not. You tried to Both Sides, the Biden administration, by repeating fallacious Right Wing talking points.

ZERO of which you presented any actual evidence for.
 

Josh128

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Yeah I don’t think you know what facts are. In fact, your fact that Biden backtracked on continuation of building the border wall highlights how gullible you are to misinformation and spin. The fact is that Biden did try to halt construction of the border wall and ultimately failed because Congress wouldn’t cancel the funds or reappropriate the funds for something else, plus the courts said he had to continue with its construction. Unlike Trump, Biden follows the law and respects how our government works.

I’ve tried to refrain from responding to you because you really aren’t interested in meaningful discussion, I suspect because you have no idea what the fuck your are talking about as evident of your border wall claim and the fact that you’ve refused to address the questions of the only person who’s given you undeserved respect.

So you believe the AP is propaganda now and that Biden was forced to waive 26 federal laws to restart border wall construction? It is you who have swallowed propaganda. I dont know "what the fuck" Im talking about? How about this quote below from the AP article? Biden wasnt "forced" to "waive" 26 federal laws. You are naive enough to believe it was just a coincidence he chose to do this at the height of publicity for the border crisis? They publicly admitted it bro, put down the blue juice and get back to me when you can do more than claim the Democratic party wasnt responsible for the crisis, which occurred 3 years into the Biden presidency.

Explain how this is misinformation and spin, from Alejandro Mayorkas himself:

“There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas,” Alejandro Mayorkas, the DHS secretary, stated in the notice. -- October 2023




Still, the waiving of federal laws for the construction — something also done when Republican Donald Trump was president — raised questions, particularly because Biden condemned border wall spending when he was running for the White House. One of Biden’s first decisions moves as president was to halt the use of emergency funds to build the wall along the Southern border and ended the national emergency there.


The decision comes as the Biden administration is struggling to manage increasing numbers of migrants at the border and spreading out in the larger U.S. Democratic leaders in New York, Chicago and Washington are asking for federal help to handle the growing numbers of migrants in their cities.



Ill say it again, you guys that deny this and personally attacking me should be ashamed of yourselves. A true centrist would not deny reality.
 

Josh128

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You just did attack someone. Before that you engaged the common tactic of trolls. Post nonsense until people get sick of it, and then cry they are being attacked.



It did not. You tried to Both Sides, the Biden administration, by repeating fallacious Right Wing talking points.

ZERO of which you presented any actual evidence for.
I did not attack anyone, I just defended myself from a personal attack. Learn some manners and dont cry unfair when someone hits back in defense when you throw the first punch.

I did not "try to both sides". I did both sides. You are just to blinded by hatred and ignorance to see anything for rainbows and unicorns from the Democratic party, you are just a blue version of a MAGAt. See my above post, Mr. reality denying, blue juice drinking bigot. Mayorkas himself admitted there was a crisis.
 
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Josh128

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See my above post, Mr. reality denying, blue juice drinking bigot.
Just himself
Prove it and provide evidence that my first, main, and initial criticism of the Biden admins handling of illegal immigration is invalid, instead of personally attacking me yet again. Stop dodging it and lets do this before we move on to my other, secondary and tertiary criticisms.
 

repoman0

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Prove it and provide evidence that my first, main, and initial criticism of the Biden admins handling of illegal immigration is invalid, instead of personally attacking me yet again. Stop dodging it and let’s do this before we move on to my other, secondary and tertiary criticisms.
Shut the fuck up about immigration and scary trans people in this thread about tariffs. Start your own thread, nobody wants to read your derailing in here.
 

Heartbreaker

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See my above post, Mr. reality denying, blue juice drinking bigot.

Your post above, is nothing but goal post shifting.

It does not back up your initial fallacious claim that Biden encouraged illegal immigration.

That kind of claim is absurd. No one wants illegal immigration right or left. The only difference is that Biden wants to do it in a more humane and legal way.

And as before, still waiting for you to back up other fallacious claims about encouraging Transgender women to compete in sports, and encouraging Drag Queen Story time (of all the things to lose your shit over).
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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US and China are having an initial meeting in Geneva this weekend. Not out of the realm of possibility there is a pause declared for some amount of time. If such a thing happens every container ship afloat off Asia will set course for the US immediately drowning us in imports again and overwhelming the ports. Ships piling up off the ports. Warehouses will overflow. Railroads will choke on the sudden glut of traffic. Air freight rates will achieve low earth orbit. COVID all over again.

Companies will dump every dollar they can find into importing as much as possible as quickly as possible forgoing other investments in labor and capex.

This is no way to run the world's largest economy.
1: No pause in tariffs yet.
2: Trump can easily change his mind again before they arrive. The uncertainty has done most the damage so far. Companies stopped making orders.
3: Factories have already closed in China. Some of those products will never be available to us again. Especially not at the price we were paying for them.

There will be no "blink and it's over" for what Trump has done to the economy. A tidal wave of shock will break upon our shores.
 

Josh128

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Prove it and provide evidence that my first, main, and initial criticism of the Biden admins handling of illegal immigration is invalid, instead of personally attacking me yet again.

Your post above, is nothing but goal post shifting.

It does not back up your initial fallacious claim that Biden encouraged illegal immigration.

That kind of claim is absurd. No one wants illegal immigration right or left. The only difference is that Biden wants to do it in a more humane and legal way.

And as before, still waiting for you to back up other fallacious claims about encouraging Transgender women to compete in sports, and encouraging Drag Queen Story time (of all the things to lose your shit over).
It is not "goal post shifting". Forget about transgenders for now, we are discussing Bidens border handling. Are you brainwashed enough to claim that the Biden admin combatting Texas' own efforts to secure its border did not encourage and empower increased illegal migration? Thats pure BS brother. Bidens admin did many things that were viewed as encouraging illegal border crossings, read the article below. If you refuse to acknowledge this was not seen as encouraging and even empowering those looking to enter without fear, which led to the highly publicized crisis at the border and the most illegal crossings in the history of the US, you are simply denying reality. The actions, and lack of actions, encouraged illegal crossings and did absolutely nothing to discourage them, until he was forced to address it, resume the wall, and toughen the US stance. Stop attacking me and face reality.


The Biden administration opened new pathways for entry, including an app to allow migrants to make appointments to cross into the United States in an orderly way, and started a program this summer to enable certain people to apply to immigrate at new processing centers in other countries. Around 1,500 migrants a day enter the country using the app, which is meant to help control and organize the flow of migrants into the country.

The Biden administration also allowed nearly 500,000 Venezuelan migrants who are already in the country to seek work permits and protection from deportation. The administration yielded to pressure from leaders in New York, where the recent arrival of more than 100,000 migrants in New York City has overwhelmed shelters and strained resources. Though the Biden program doesn’t apply to new arrivals, it touched off debate about whether the action would encourage more people to migrate.

 

Heartbreaker

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It is not "goal post shifting". Forget about transgenders for now, we are discussing Bidens border handling. Are you brainwashed enough to claim that the Biden admin combatting Texas' own efforts to secure its border did not encourage and empower increased illegal migration? Thats pure BS brother. Bidens admin did many things that were viewed as encouraging illegal border crossings, read the article below. If you refuse to acknowledge this was not seen as encouraging and even empowering those looking to enter without fear, which led to the highly publicized crisis at the border and the most illegal crossings in the history of the US, you are simply denying reality. The actions, and lack of actions, encouraged illegal crossings and did absolutely nothing to discourage them, until he was forced to address it, resume the wall, and toughen the US stance. Stop attacking me and face reality.

I created a thread to discuss your initial claim here:


Can we now please stop polluting the Tariff thread with this?
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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1: No pause in tariffs yet.
2: Trump can easily change his mind again before they arrive. The uncertainty has done most the damage so far. Companies stopped making orders.
3: Factories have already closed in China. Some of those products will never be available to us again. Especially not at the price we were paying for them.

There will be no "blink and it's over" for what Trump has done to the economy. A tidal wave of shock will break upon our shores.
I agree, Trump cannot now undo the damage done. It might have been possible a month ago, but now we are in the early stages of an economic contraction.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Prove it and provide evidence that my first, main, and initial criticism of the Biden admins handling of illegal immigration is invalid, instead of personally attacking me yet again. Stop dodging it and lets do this before we move on to my other, secondary and tertiary criticisms.

Nobody dodged it, its been responded to. #dealwithit
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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OK bro, I see Ive triggered the evangelical atheist in you. Denying that most of western law not captured in the 10 commandments is based on at least the concept of, if not the direct reference to, the golden rule, is laughably cringe. I'll let readers decide who is delusional here. It all circles back to how the democratic party has made itself irrelevant. This is a perfect example.

And just as you've been told that notions of murder and theft being wrong predates the Bible, so too does the golden rule.

Possibly the earliest affirmation of the maxim of reciprocity, reflecting the ancient Egyptian goddess Ma'at, appears in the story of "The Eloquent Peasant", which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to make him do."


Because religion didn't create this common sense notion of morality. Rather, some religions picked up on what was already out there.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
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You really are delusional. Our laws do not work on that idea. Nothing in the law works on that idea. The very idea of basing laws on that is absurd.
I know someone that likes being spanked. Should they be allowed to go around spanking people?
"Whip me, best me, call me bitch...makeme write hot checks!" ?
 

DZero

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I specifically bought and shipped all of my Sim gear from Euro stores a few years ago because it was much cheaper than buying in the US--primarily because I didn't have to pay the VAT that I would have if buying from within Europe.

Is Navarro's daily job just to wake up and make up bullshit and spout it out as if he's some kind of expert in anything? I mean...I know the answer. I had to wake up to that idiot nearly every morning speaking on behalf of Trump 1, just drooling ignorance from every goddamn word. I just can't get over the fact that such obvious buffoons are put in these positions and the dumbest people that have ever existed keep cheering on and voting for more of this plain idiocy.
Watch when "Ron Vara" reappears as "Romanov Varanov" as the Russian version telling that Russia has better prices
 

iRONic

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More farmer misery which will increase our food prices:

(Bloomberg) — Donald Trump’s tariffs are upending crop trading, delaying tractor purchases and constraining imports of chemical supplies into the US.

That’s the main message from big agricultural businesses as they report their quarterly earnings, giving an early glimpse into the far-reaching impacts of the US president’s trade war.

 
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