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Josh128

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Why is 'the government' involved in organised running-up-and-down-and-jumping-over-things at all? Screw organised sports - they're just big business and part of the entertainment industry. I don't see why the government has any role in that at all.
To protect people. Have you never heard of state athletic commissions?
 

SMOGZINN

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Why is 'the government' involved in organised running-up-and-down-and-jumping-over-things at all? Screw organised sports - they're just big business and part of the entertainment industry. I don't see why the government has any role in that at all.
And this is the real thing. None of this is really something government should be involved in at all. It is just scapegoating an unpopular minority to get people riled up.
This is not a political isssue.
 

fskimospy

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And this is the real thing. None of this is really something government should be involved in at all. It is just scapegoating an unpopular minority to get people riled up.
This is not a political isssue.
Conservatives engage in a coordinated freakout over trans people and then turn around and are like 'why do the Democrats keep talking about trans people?'

 

Heartbreaker

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What are your criticims of your chosen party? You have none? Im still waiting on that.

We are still waiting for actual evidence for your claims about the government support of Drag Queen Story time, and Transgender athletes.

Just point to a law they changed, or even a Speech Biden made that enabled these people you hate so much.

Actual evidence, not hearsay from Fox News that don't watch, but somehow echo talking points from...
 
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Josh128

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10. Ten people in the entire world. That is what we are talking about. More children are currently hospitalized with measles because the GOP don't believe in germ theory.
But let's talk about it anyway since you are obviously misinformed on the issue.
It is not the Democrats policy to encourage trans people to play in women's sports. All the Democrats want is to allow the sports leagues that actually know and run the sports to be able to make their own decisions on how to handle it. The Dem's policy is that does not need governmental interference. A concept that is actually pretty right of center.


First off, once again 10 people in all of sports. Not even one specific sport. There is no feasible way to form a league for trans people.
But more importantly, why do you think that they don't deserve the same benefits we give every other athlete? It really sounds like your position is more or less that the federal government should be used not to help people but to discriminate against the ones you don't like.

Citations for 10 people in the world please?

Your hyperbole aside, it doesnt matter if its only one person in the world. If there are not enough to create their own league or category, then they must compete in the gender assigned to them at birth. If they were not assigned a gender at birth? Get verified by a medical board as to which gender they more closely match, then present the evidence to the governing athletic body in their chosen sport, then compete in whatever category they decide. Its very simple.
 

Josh128

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An overwhelming majority oppose using religious beliefs to determine policy. How's that working out? You against that too?
You mean like the 10 commandments, upon which the majority of laws in the western hemisphere are based upon? Or Islamic laws, which many countries in the east are based upon? You are overwhelmingly incorrect in that statement.
 
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Josh128

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Nope. Never heard of them. Any reason why I should have?
If you havent, then you are clearly you are not qualified to speak on the safety and fairness of sport. They regulate sport for safety and compliance with state and federal laws.
 

sandorski

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Amazingly, MTG put out a long rambling Twitter post last night seemingly opposing the admins unflinching support of Israel in its quest to annihilate Gaza and draw Iran into war, while at the same time oppose continued military weapons support for Ukraine. Its still very unhinged, (obviously as she is ultra-ignorant of reality on so many levels) but the fact that she is apparently starting to question the admin on some things is a positive development.
I think she's actually trying her best to do her job. She hangs out with certain groups, hears their concerns, then nobly tries to bring peace between her "Constituents" and her Boss. Unfortunately, perhaps even due to no fault of her own, her understanding of Reality makes her come up with these types of positions.

Garbage In, Garbage Out
 
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SMOGZINN

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Citations for 10 people in the world please?
Not hyperbole. Google
I'll take one mea culpa. My information was about the United States, when I searched, I didn't find any information about the world (not that the US cares about sports in other countries anyway)
Your hyperbole aside, it doesnt matter if its only one person in the world.
Really? So, if it was only one person you think it is worth all the time and effort the GOP has put into it?

If there are not enough to create their own league or category, then they must compete in the gender assigned to them at birth.
Or maybe we don't.

If they were not assigned a gender at birth? Get verified by a medical board as to which gender they more closely match, then present the evidence to the governing athletic body in their chosen sport, then compete in whatever category they decide. Its very simple.

Only for you, because you are mostly uneducated on the issue. It is not so simple when you have to work with real people. Biology is not so simple as a binary system.
You are being lied to and are making opinions based on emotion not knowledge.
 
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You mean like the 10 commandments, upon which the majority of laws in the western hemisphere are based upon? Or Islamic laws, which many countries in the east are based upon? You are overwhelmingly incorrect in that statement.
You completely ignored the question. Polls repeatedly show around 75% of people oppose religious beliefs being a part of policy decisions. Are you OK with them being ignored? They are the majority. A bible quote does not set moral direction or form the only basis for it. So again I ask the same question.

10 facts about religion and government in the United States

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...religion-and-government-in-the-united-states/
 

Josh128

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I think she's actually trying her best to do her job. She hangs out with certain groups, hears their concerns, then nobly tries to bring peace between her "Constituents" and her Boss. Unfortunately, perhaps even due to no fault of her own, her understanding of Reality makes her come up with these types of positions.

Garbage In, Garbage Out
Agree, 100%. I think she is one of the most ignorant folks in Washington, with zero class. But I am glad to see cracks develop between Trump and those that seem to lap up all the drivel he spews.
 

brycejones

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If you havent, then you are clearly you are not qualified to speak on the safety and fairness of sport. They regulate sport for safety and compliance with state and federal laws.

So you are telling the guy from UK he can’t possibly have thoughts about sports because he wasn’t familiar with an a specific type of privately run American body for organizing sports at the under 18 level?
 

Paratus

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You mean like the 10 commandments, upon which the majority of laws in the western hemisphere are based upon? Or Islamic laws, which many countries in the east are based upon? You are overwhelmingly incorrect in that statement.

  1. Nope - only in a theocracy would this be law
  2. Nope - only in a theocracy would this be law
  3. Nope - only in a theocracy would this be law
  4. Nope - only in a theocracy would this be law
  5. Nope - not a law
  6. Yup that’s basically a law everywhere
  7. Nope - not a law
  8. Yup - many laws on this
  9. Sort of - only a law in legal proceedings and some public matters otherwise you can lie
  10. Nope - bulk of our economy is based on coveting
So 2.5 commandments out of 10.

You believe a lot of things that aren’t true.
 

pmv

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If you havent, then you are clearly you are not qualified to speak on the safety and fairness of sport. They regulate sport for safety and compliance with state and federal laws.

I don't care about 'state and federal laws regulating sport' because (a) I have zero interest in sport, and (b) am not American.

Certain kinds of health-and-safety rules should presumably apply to almost all activities, but, Lord, I am sick of tax payer money being used to subsidise some people's choice of entertainment industry...and the way that a row over "fairness" in something as meaningless and unimportant as organised sport is getting weaponised to encourage people to vote for fascists is just beyond absurd (it's up there with "ethics in game journalism" as a nonsense issue).
 

nakedfrog

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What was made up? Transgender controversies, like the drag-queen library storytime day that was scheduled, then cancelled due to public outcry, less than 40 miles from the extremely rural area where I live? It was hugely publicized locally, and for good reason, it was ill conceived and a bad idea. That was certainly not made up.
Drag queen story hour is not a transgender controversy. You're conflating drag queens with trans people--do you think drag queens are trans? Most of them aren't. And a trans woman who puts on a dress is not a drag queen.
I dont hate transgender people at all. Why would you say that other than to shift the argument at hand and attempt to slander my character?

Are you saying that you dont believe natural born men have unfair advantages over natural born women in athleticism?
Are you saying you believe every person assigned male at birth is always better than every cis woman at every sport, forever? That doesn't seem to be what the small amount of available evidence shows. Perhaps we could allow the governing bodies of sports to develop their own rules?
Conservatives engage in a coordinated freakout over trans people and then turn around and are like 'why do the Democrats keep talking about trans people?'

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The "Alliance Defending Freedom" is largely responsible for the amplification of the issue initially. I have some measure of personal experience with this, and the difference before and after their efforts was pretty striking. Conservatives didn't rabidly hate trans people until they were told to. Even the MAGA conservatives I was friends with pre-2020 before I moved generally followed the same typical mainstream behavior of "well, I don't get it, but okay" that most people do.

 

Heartbreaker

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Why are these weird creeps so obsessed with others’ genitals that they can manage to turn a thread on economics and tariffs into yet another discussion about them?

RWNJ media foments hate, to shut off follower reasoning faculties. If they are angry they can't think critically.

If they could think critically, they wouldn't vote republican.
 

sandorski

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I can be ugly and insulting too. Are you illiterate? I said empowering, on a national level, such appearances to occur where they are clearly unwelcome. Learn to read because you personally insult.
I think you meant, "Stopped Oppressing them."

One side of the spectrum respects Human Beings more than the other.
 

Indus

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Drag queen story hour is not a transgender controversy. You're conflating drag queens with trans people--do you think drag queens are trans? Most of them aren't. And a trans woman who puts on a dress is not a drag queen.

Are you saying you believe every person assigned male at birth is always better than every cis woman at every sport, forever? That doesn't seem to be what the small amount of available evidence shows. Perhaps we could allow the governing bodies of sports to develop their own rules?

The "Alliance Defending Freedom" is largely responsible for the amplification of the issue initially. I have some measure of personal experience with this, and the difference before and after their efforts was pretty striking. Conservatives didn't rabidly hate trans people until they were told to. Even the MAGA conservatives I was friends with pre-2020 before I moved generally followed the same typical mainstream behavior of "well, I don't get it, but okay" that most people do.


I fail to understand how the person besides me if she has a vagina or a penis in her pants can somehow magically control the economy, tariffs, democracy, foreign wars, trade deficits for 340 million Americans.

Have we become so D&D dependent that now they think it is it one of those innate class talents that they should be scared of, so it instead they prefer orcs, trolls and ogres instead with their +100 to bashing, harassing and trolling innate talents instead?
 
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