The Trump Tariffs thread

[SMOGZINN]

You mean like the 10 commandments, upon which the majority of laws in the western hemisphere are based upon? Or Islamic laws, which many countries in the east are based upon? You are overwhelmingly incorrect in that statement.

Bullshit. I see you are fully ignorant of western history.
The western laws are more based on Hammurabi's code than the 10 commandments.

1. I am the Lord thy God - Nope. Western Culture fails at the first one.
   • Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Still no.
   • Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Nope.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain - Still not against the law.
3. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - Not a part of western law. Top 3 not found.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother - Now we have 4 of 10 not found.
5. Thou shalt not kill - Finally found one! Oh, wait that is in EVERY LAW of EVERY CULTURE. Also, we put a really large asterisk next to this one.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery - Let's call this one half? We have made laws about it, but they are not really founding concepts, more religious extremism and not considered enforceable. Certainly not a central cultural belief
7. Thou shalt not steal - Number 2.5. Also, in every legal system in the world.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - Let us give this one half as well. Only in some very specific situations is this illegal, and once again hardly unique to religion in those situations.
9. Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's ... house/wife/slave/animals- Whatever your book says you should not be coveting, legally you are allowed, and in fact encouraged to covet, anything you want.
10. Either same as above, or about making sacrifices. - Stil no.

So, you think that because there happens to be 3/10 commandments that happen to also be found in every law in every system, that it was based on that one specific religion?
Really the only things about the 10 commandments that really align with western legal philosophy is 'don't kill' and 'don't steal'. I don't think it took divine revelation for a few people to come up with that.

 

[brycejones]

I am the only union president that had the balls to go to arbitration for a 20 year member that was fired.

I officially award you two pats on the head for doing your job.

 

[Josh128]

Not hyperbole. Google
I'll take one mea culpa. My information was about the United States, when I searched, I didn't find any information about the world (not that the US cares about sports in other countries anyway)

Really? So, if it was only one person you think it is worth all the time and effort the GOP has put into it?


Or maybe we don't.



Only for you, because you are mostly uneducated on the issue. It is not so simple when you have to work with real people. Biology is not so simple as a binary system.
You are being lied to and are making opinions based on emotion not knowledge.

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in


If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

 

[Paratus]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in


If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about.

 

[fskimospy]

Not hyperbole. Google
I'll take one mea culpa. My information was about the United States, when I searched, I didn't find any information about the world (not that the US cares about sports in other countries anyway)

Really? So, if it was only one person you think it is worth all the time and effort the GOP has put into it?


Or maybe we don't.



Only for you, because you are mostly uneducated on the issue. It is not so simple when you have to work with real people. Biology is not so simple as a binary system.
You are being lied to and are making opinions based on emotion not knowledge.

It is worth taking a step back and think of how insane conservatives have become where they are like 'it is the appropriate role of the government to inspect the genitals of children before permitting them to play sports' and then are like 'liberals are so crazy on trans issues!'.

 

[VashHT]

It's just funny that conservatives pretend to care about women's sports, when the US Women's soccer team and WNBA were asking for more pay equality conservatives shit all over them. They don't give a shit about women's sports, they just hate trans people.

 

[nakedfrog]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in


If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

/sigh

Caster Semenya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[brycejones]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in


If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

You are profoundly uneducated on this subject you just refuse to accept it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in

Nice, sneaky goal post shift attempt.

After repeated request to show any evidence at all to back your claims (which you failed to do), you now slip in "action or lack thereof".

Bidens big, far left crime was his failure to attack Transgender Athletes and Drag Queen Story time.

Clearly (in your mind) it's the job of centrist government, to hate monger and punch down on minorities, for "reasons"...

 

[sandorski]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in


If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

People used to freak out about Whites and Blacks mixing. You're just doing the same shit.

 

[Josh128]

You completely ignored the question. Polls repeatedly show around 75% of people oppose religious beliefs being a part of policy decisions. Are you OK with them being ignored? They are the majority. A bible quote does not set moral direction or form the only basis for it. So again I ask the same question.

10 facts about religion and government in the United States​

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...religion-and-government-in-the-united-states/
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Im not ignoring anything, I just pointed out the fact that most core laws are already based on fundamental religious beliefs. Thats just reality.

That said, religious beliefs can vary wildly. Because of that, laws should not be explicitly made based on religious beliefs, but like all things, its not as black and white as that. I believe laws should be based on what is right, what is wrong, fair, and morally acceptable. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Josh128]

Bullshit. I see you are fully ignorant of western history.
The western laws are more based on Hammurabi's code than the 10 commandments.

1. I am the Lord thy God - Nope. Western Culture fails at the first one.
   • Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Still no.
   • Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Nope.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain - Still not against the law.
3. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - Not a part of western law. Top 3 not found.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother - Now we have 4 of 10 not found.
5. Thou shalt not kill - Finally found one! Oh, wait that is in EVERY LAW of EVERY CULTURE. Also, we put a really large asterisk next to this one.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery - Let's call this one half? We have made laws about it, but they are not really founding concepts, more religious extremism and not considered enforceable. Certainly not a central cultural belief
7. Thou shalt not steal - Number 2.5. Also, in every legal system in the world.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - Let us give this one half as well. Only in some very specific situations is this illegal, and once again hardly unique to religion in those situations.
9. Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's ... house/wife/slave/animals- Whatever your book says you should not be coveting, legally you are allowed, and in fact encouraged to covet, anything you want.
10. Either same as above, or about making sacrifices. - Stil no.

So, you think that because there happens to be 3/10 commandments that happen to also be found in every law in every system, that it was based on that one specific religion?
Really the only things about the 10 commandments that really align with western legal philosophy is 'don't kill' and 'don't steal'. I don't think it took divine revelation for a few people to come up with that.

Strawman argument. I didnt say laws were based on each and every commandment of the 10, but that the 10 as a whole were the basis of much of Western law.

 

[Paratus]

You know this trans rights thing is just like when the government stepped in and encouraged left handed people to dominate Major League Baseball .



Both left-handed pitchers and batters do better in baseball. Since the majority of hitters are right-handed, lefty pitchers are considered valuable. A curveball from a left-hander breaks inside on a righty – a harder pitch to hit.

Why were they encouraging the minority at the expense of the right handed majority? /s

 

[SMOGZINN]

So now the minority is not worth addressing? On the contrary, they are certainly worth addressing when they affect the majority, and if they are encouraged, by action or lack thereof, to attain world championship status and/or potentially harming a competitor by competing in a division they have no business being in

They don't affect the majority. Very few people play even simi-professional sports, even fewer will ever face a trans athlete in competition, and even fewer will ever be harmed by this. It is worth pointing out that all but a couple of those 10 people are not even highly ranked in their sports.

If your solution to this issue is the delusion that I, and in fact the entire planet earth at large, are "uneducated" and we are being lied to about humans not being male or female at birth

Yes. That is what I am telling you, and it takes very little effort to find that out for yourself.

, and because of that, your solution is to let those identifying as transgender compete wherever they will, based on their own feelings and desires, then you have conceded this argument. I have provided perfectly sound, fair, and logical solutions to the problem, you just refuse to accept it.

Nice strawman. I never said any of this.
I said is:

All the Democrats want is to allow the sports leagues that actually know and run the sports to be able to make their own decisions on how to handle it.

The fact is you are the one wanting to get government to intervene based on your feelings and desires. So, now have you conceded the argument?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Strawman argument. I didnt say laws were based on each and every commandment of the 10, but that the 10 as a whole were the basis of much of Western law.

All I did was show that it is an absurd comment. There is very little overlap between the 10 commandments and western law. At best there is some very, very basic concepts that they both hold, but those same concepts are even older than those 10 commandments.

 

[Josh128]

People used to freak out about Whites and Blacks mixing. You're just doing the same shit.

No, its not the same shit, at all. Do blacks have a fundamental advantage over whites in athleticism or vice versa? No, they dont. Do men, overall, have a fundamental advantage over women in athleticism? Yes, they most certainly do, and this is a fact that only the most delusional would object to.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Clock is ticking

 

[fskimospy]

All I did was show that it is an absurd comment. There is very little overlap between the 10 commandments and western law. At best there is some very, very basic concepts that they both hold, but those same concepts are even older than those 10 commandments.

Yes, the idea that murder and stealing are bad did not come from the ten commandments but for reasons that should be obvious, long predate them.

And as you allude to most of the ten commandments aren't even about that shit. The only ones that have even a passing relationship with our legal system is to not kill, to not steal, and (in some cases) not lie. The rest is irrelevant.

 

[Josh128]

All I did was show that it is an absurd comment. There is very little overlap between the 10 commandments and western law. At best there is some very, very basic concepts that they both hold, but those same concepts are even older than those 10 commandments.

That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

 

[Indus]

That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

I'm all for placing 1 trillion % tariffs on Bibles!

Maybe then we can pay off the national debt..

@FelixDeCat what do you think??

 

[brycejones]

That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

lol, just lol

 

[Heartbreaker]

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

Studies show, that even social primates largely operate under the golden rule, and have a innate sense of fairness. This was not something invented in the Bible, but an innate part of humanity, and other social primates.

A part that supposedly religious republicans seem to work at obliterating, with a "Fuck you, I got mine" attitude.

 

[SMOGZINN]

No, its not the same shit, at all. Do blacks have a fundamental advantage over whites in athleticism or vice versa?

They certainly argued so at the time.
From Wikipedia

"Black athletic superiority" is the theory that black people possess certain traits that are acquired through genetic and/or environmental factors that allow them to excel over other races in athletic competition. Whites are more likely to hold these views; however, some blacks and other racial groups do as well.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Citations for 10 people in the world please?

Your hyperbole aside, it doesnt matter if its only one person in the world. If there are not enough to create their own league or category, then they must compete in the gender assigned to them at birth. If they were not assigned a gender at birth? Get verified by a medical board as to which gender they more closely match, then present the evidence to the governing athletic body in their chosen sport, then compete in whatever category they decide. Its very simple.

Real quick, are you saying gender or biological sex?

 

[pmv]

That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

That idea I'm guessing long-predated the Bible (I'm intrigued that you are so up on the exact chapter-and-verse references of the Bible - you sound like a Christian, or at least someone from a religious background, which is presumably why you keep pushing this tiresome religious-supremacist crap?).

It also still has its limitations, given that everyone is different and wants different things from others.