The Unknown War

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November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history... But for the ill informed leftish posters on this site the dramatic changes in the world's landscape might not have happened at all. They revel in the joys of State control and abject pacifism, they support the demise of democracy in favor of social welfarism, they advocate submission to the will of the State while denigrating independent thought.

They want to live in the equivalent of the Soviet of 1988. So they push and push and push for the end of democratic capitalism.

I was living in Western Europe in 1989 so I might have the advantage of having been in close proximity to the events of that year. 20 years later, I lift my coffee cup in a salute to those who made 1989 the best of years.

The Unknown War

The Unknown War
The defeat of communism 20 years ago was the most liberating moment in history. So why don't we talk about it more?

Matt Welch
Reason
November 2009 issue

Matt Welch is editor in chief of Reason magazine.

From 2006 to 2007, Welch served as assistant editorial pages editor at the Los Angeles Times, shaping and writing editorials, and overseeing the section's web operations.

From 2002 to 2006, Welch worked at Reason as an associate editor and media columnist. From 2002 to 2004, he also wrote a regular "Letter from California" column for Canada's National Post newspaper and contributed to the Online Journalism Review; WorkingForChange.com (for whom he covered Ralph Nader's 2000 presidential campaign); and the now-defunct Los Angeles tech/biz magazine Zone News.

Welch's work has appeared in The Washington Post, Columbia Journalism Review, Los Angeles Daily News, Orange County Register, LA Weekly, ESPN.com, Salon.com, Wired, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, The Daily Star of Beirut, and dozens of other publications.

Before 1998, Welch lived for eight years in Central Europe, where he co-founded the region's first post-communist English-language newspaper, Prognosis, worked as UPI's Slovakia correspondent and managed the Budapest Business Journal.


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On August 23, 1989, officials from the newly reformed and soon-to-be-renamed Communist Party of Hungary ceased policing the country?s militarized border with Austria. Some 13,000 East Germans, many of whom had been vacationing at nearby Lake Balaton, fled across the frontier to the free world. It was the largest breach of the Iron Curtain in a generation, and it kicked off a remarkable chain of events that ended 11 weeks later with the righteous citizen dismantling of the Berlin Wall.

Twenty years later, the anniversary of that historic border crossing was noted in exactly four American newspapers, according to the Nexis database, and all four mentions were in reprints of a single syndicated column. August anniversaries receiving more media play in the U.S. included the 400th anniversary of Galileo building his telescope, the 150th anniversary of the first oil well, and the 25th anniversary of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. A Google News search of ?anniversary? and ?freedom? on August 23, 2009, turned up scores of Woodstock references before the first mention of Hungary.

Get used to it, if you haven?t already. November 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history, yet two decades later the country that led the Cold War coalition against communism seems less interested than ever in commemorating, let alone processing the lessons from, the collapse of its longtime foe. At a time that fairly cries out for historical perspective about the follies of central planning, Americans are ignoring the fundamental conflict of the postwar world, and instead leapfrogging back to what Steve Forbes describes in this issue as the ?Jurassic Park statism? of the 1930s (see ???The Last Gasp of the Dinosaurs,??? page 42). There have been more Hollywood hagiographies of the revolutionary communist Che Guevara in the last five years than there have been studio pictures in the last two decades about the revolutionary anti-communists who dramatically toppled totalitarians from Tallin to Prague (see Tim Cavanaugh?s ?Hollywood Comrades,? page 62). And what little general-nonfiction interest there is in the superpower struggle, as Michael C. Moynihan details on page 48 (?The Cold War Never Ended?), remains stuck in the same Reagan vs. Gorby frame that made the 1980s so intellectually shallow the first time around.

The consensus Year of Revolution for most of our lifetimes has been 1968, with its political assassinations, its Parisian protests, and a youth-culture rebellion that the baby boomers will never tire of telling us about. But as the preeminent modern Central European historian Timothy Garton Ash wrote in a 2008 essay, 1989 ?ended communism in Europe, the Soviet empire, the division of Germany, and an ideological and geopolitical struggle?that had shaped world politics for half a century. It was, in its geopolitical results, as big as 1945 or 1914. By comparison, ?68 was a molehill.?

I recently asked Simon Panek, one of the student leaders of Czechoslovakia?s Velvet Revolution, why he thought 1968 still gets all the headlines. He gave a typically Czech shrug: ?Probably 1968 happened to more people in the West.? But even that droll formulation understates the globe-altering impact of 1989.

Without the superpower conflict to animate and arm scores of proxy civil wars and brutal governments, authoritarians gave way to democrats in Johannesburg and Santiago, endless war was replaced by enduring peace in Central America, and nations that had never enjoyed self-determination found themselves independent, prosperous, and integrated into the West.

In 1988, according to the global liberty watchdog Freedom House, just 36 percent of the world?s 167 independent countries were ?free,? 23 percent were ?partly free,? and 41 percent were ?not free.? By 2008, not only were there 26 additional countries (including such new ?free? entities as Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Serbia, Slovakia, and Slovenia), but the ratios had reversed: 46 percent were ?free,? 32 percent were ?partly free,? and just 22 percent were ?not free.? There were only 69 electoral democracies in 1989; by 2008 their ranks had swelled to 119.

And even these numbers only begin to capture the magnitude of the change. The abject failure of top-down central planning as an economic organizing model had a profound impact even on the few communist governments that survived the ?90s. Vietnam, while maintaining a one-party grip on power, launched radical market reforms in 1990, resulting in some of the world?s highest economic growth in the last two decades. Cuba, economically desperate after the Soviet spigot was cut off, legalized foreign investment and private commerce. And in perhaps the single most dramatic geopolitical story in recent years, the country that most symbolized state repression in 1989 has used capitalism to pull off history?s most successful anti-poverty campaign. Although Chinese market reforms began in the late ?70s, and were temporarily stalled by the Tiananmen Square massacre (which, counterintuitively, emboldened anti-communists in Europe), China?s post-Soviet recognition that private enterprise should trump the state sector helped lift hundreds of millions out of poverty. (For a celebration of how markets have liberated Chinese women from cultural repression, see Kerry Howley?s ?Are Property Rights Enough?,? page 30.)

Perhaps the least appreciated benefits of the Cold War?s end have been those enjoyed (if not always consciously) by the side that won. Up until 1989, mainstream Western European political thought included a large and unhealthy appetite for governments owning the means of production. The original Marshall Plan was an almost desperate attempt to prevent the kind of domestically popular (if externally manipulated) communist takeover that would submerge Czechoslovakia in 1948. Socialist French President Francois Mitterand nationalized wide swaths of France?s economy upon taking office in 1981. By the time the Berlin Wall fell, it was the rule, not the exception, that Western European governments would own all their country?s major airlines, phone companies, television stations, gas companies, and much more.

No longer. In the long fight between Karl Marx and Milton Friedman, even the democratic socialists of Europe had to admit that Friedman won in a landslide. Although media attention was rightly focused on the dramatic economic changes transforming Asia and the former East Bloc, fully half of the world?s privatization in the first dozen years after the Cold War, as measured by revenue, took place in Western Europe. European political and monetary integration, widely derided as statist by the Anglo-American right, has turned out to be one of the biggest engines for economic liberty in modern history. It was no accident that, in the midst of Washington?s illegal and ill-fated bailout of U.S. automakers, Swedish Enterprise Minister Maud Olofsson, when asked about the fate of struggling Saab, tersely announced, ?The Swedish state is not prepared to own car factories.?

When Western Europeans are giving lectures to Americans about the dangers of economic intervention, as they have repeatedly since Barack Obama took office, it?s a good time to take stock of how drastically geopolitical arguments have pivoted during the last two decades. The United States, at least as represented by its elected officials and their economic policies, is no longer leading the global fight for democratic capitalism as the most proven path to human liberation. You are more likely to see entitlement reform in Rome than in Washington (where, against the global grain, the federal government is trying to extend its role). Even the much-ballyhooed and well-earned U.S. peace dividend proved to be as temporary as Bill Clinton?s claim that ?the era of big government is over.?

Ironically, the one consistent lesson U.S. officials claim to have learned about the Cold War is the one that has the least applicability outside the East Bloc: that aggressive and even violent confrontation with evil regimes will lead to various springtimes for democracy. It is telling that the victors of an epic economic and spiritual struggle take away conclusions that are primarily military. Telling, and tragic.
 

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Most mornings I like to have my espresso alongside Asahi Shimbun/International Herald Tribune, The Wall Street Journal and Financial Times. These fine publications inform me of what is important around the world and often have more than a small dollop of humor as well.

But life is not just about breaking news. While there are a number of opinion and analyses publications that cross my desk, two I have found particularly interesting - the quarterly City Journal and the monthly Reason. While City Journal is the nation?s premier urban-policy magazine, Reason covers a much broader swath. Reason provides a refreshing alternative to right-wing and left-wing opinion magazines by making a principled case for liberty and individual choice in all areas of human activity.

The above article references other stories of Reason well worth reading.

Reason
 

DukeN

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Great success *Borat like two thumbs up*

Drink ferment horse urine beat communist while read newspaper - very nice!
 

Moonbeam

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A few people have it good.

Meanwhile, billions are hungry. The globe is warming. Species are going extinct at geometric rates.

We won and the planet is dying.

But some of us have it good. For a while............
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
they support the demise of democracy in favor of social welfarism,

you realize that these aren't mutually exclusive concepts, correct? In fact, most would argue that one is the inevitable result of the other.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A few people have it good.

Meanwhile, billions are hungry. The globe is warming. Species are going extinct at geometric rates.

We won and the planet is dying.

But some of us have it good. For a while............

Seek help.
 

cwjerome

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That's a pretty good article. The Soviet Union collapsed for a variety of reasons, from Afghanistan, the US sustained engagement in Europe via the Marshall Plan, NATO, the Cold War - and our economic competition with them. History is painted with broad strokes and 50 years from now we'll be able to see just how monumentally the Soviet demise changed the world.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history...

I'd say 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) has 1989 beat by a good margin.

1944 (Germany's surrender during WWII) also has 1989 beat.

Oh, and how about 1783 (Treaty of Paris)? That was a MUCH better year for liberation.

And what about 1795 (French Constitution)? I think the French would say THAT was a better year.

The end of the cold war didn't save humanity. It didn't solve the day-to-day problems of common people. We still face the very real and growing threat of nuclear terrorism. We still fact the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.





 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: PJABBER
November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history...

I'd say 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) has 1989 beat by a good margin.

1944 (Germany's surrender during WWII) also has 1989 beat.

Oh, and how about 1783 (Treaty of Paris)? That was a MUCH better year for liberation.

And what about 1795 (French Constitution)? I think the French would say THAT was a better year.

The end of the cold war didn't save humanity. It didn't solve the day-to-day problems of common people. We still face the very real and growing threat of nuclear terrorism. We still fact the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

It was 1945 and Germany's surrender still left millions stuck under Soviet rule. Most of them until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

Atreus21

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: PJABBER
November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history...

I'd say 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) has 1989 beat by a good margin.

1944 (Germany's surrender during WWII) also has 1989 beat.

Oh, and how about 1783 (Treaty of Paris)? That was a MUCH better year for liberation.

And what about 1795 (French Constitution)? I think the French would say THAT was a better year.

The end of the cold war didn't save humanity. It didn't solve the day-to-day problems of common people. We still face the very real and growing threat of nuclear terrorism. We still fact the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

Think I'd disagree with 1863 on grounds that we were just one nation. It wasn't the worldwide proclamation of slave's freedom. England had abolished slavery by that point. 1944 I'd agree was pretty big. I don't know much about the treaty of paris, or the french constitution.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?
 

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: PJABBER
November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history...

I'd say 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) has 1989 beat by a good margin.

1944 (Germany's surrender during WWII) also has 1989 beat.

Oh, and how about 1783 (Treaty of Paris)? That was a MUCH better year for liberation.

And what about 1795 (French Constitution)? I think the French would say THAT was a better year.

The end of the cold war didn't save humanity. It didn't solve the day-to-day problems of common people. We still face the very real and growing threat of nuclear terrorism. We still fact the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

The cold war sure ran up our deficit.





 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realize that neocons love to give Reagan credit for bringing down the Berlin wall -- correct?
 
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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realise that PJABBER WILL argue that it was Reagans work that drove the wall down, right?

Truth is, a society and their leaders revolted and no other nation really helped at all.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realise that PJABBER WILL argue that it was Reagans work that drove the wall down, right?

Truth is, a society and their leaders revolted and no other nation really helped at all.

I would agree with you, but I would also say Reagan and others had a big hand in it as well.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realise that PJABBER WILL argue that it was Reagans work that drove the wall down, right?

Truth is, a society and their leaders revolted and no other nation really helped at all.

I will make my own arguments, thank you very much.

Reagan's military build up caused the arms race to spiral beyond the Soviet Union's ability to manage both the massive military they aspired to and any semblance of economic viability. Reagan's rhetoric inspired people throughout the world, but particularly in Eastern Europe, where so many hung on to his words as an indication that they did not resist the totalitarianism of the Soviet State alone.

Finally, it was the gathering swell of resistance in the countries of Eastern Europe - Hungary, Poland, Lithuania et al, that collapsed the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union and offered freedom and opportunity for so many millions of people in Europe and in Asia. I fully credit the leaders of those small countries for much more than the freedoms they achieved at great cost in their own nations. Millions owe them recognition for the results they inspired and achieved.

But, as the article points out, there is scant recognition much less general understanding of the result of their actions.
 

bamacre

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Are you implying that Communism could have worked, successfully, had it not been for our intervention?
 
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realise that PJABBER WILL argue that it was Reagans work that drove the wall down, right?

Truth is, a society and their leaders revolted and no other nation really helped at all.

I will make my own arguments, thank you very much.

Reagan's military build up caused the arms race to spiral beyond the Soviet Union's ability to manage both the massive military they aspired to and any semblance of economic viability. Reagan's rhetoric inspired people throughout the world, but particularly in Eastern Europe, where so many hung on to his words as an indication that they did not resist the totalitarianism of the Soviet State alone.

Finally, it was the gathering swell of resistance in the countries of Eastern Europe - Hungary, Poland, Lithuania et al, that collapsed the totalitarianism of the Soviet Union and offered freedom and opportunity for so many millions of people in Europe and in Asia. I fully credit the leaders of those small countries for much more than the freedoms they achieved at great cost in their own nations. Millions owe them recognition for the results they inspired and achieved.

But, as the article points out, there is scant recognition much less general understanding of the result of their actions.

Actually, nothing of what you wrote is correct, the movement started and finished in Russia, it was lead by an opposition that Gorbachev let in to prove his good intentions and that Jeltsin used.

The other small groups had very little to do with anything after that because no nation would be able to do much about the big ball rolling.

The US played no part what so ever in the revolution of the Russian people.

Give credit where credit is due, none to the US (who actually wanted the status quo) and all to the people of the USSR.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Are you implying that Communism could have worked, successfully, had it not been for our intervention?

if you address the question to me, I would say there are innate and fatal weaknesses in state controlled economies and political systems. These "centrally" planned and forced systems are inevitably resisted and eventually fail from both internal and external factors.

It is hard to think of any totalitarian economic and political system that lasted all that long, not that democratic capitalism has such a long history itself. Of course, you can have a succession of despots, but it is usually a self-defeating progression that implodes or is driven into failure. And you can have democracies which are weakened by self doubt destroyed by totalitarianism's siren call.

The economic and political democratic capitalist system is likely the closest that anyone has come up with to satisfy the economic and aspirational needs of humanity. It is fragile in that the opportunities and freedoms it offers must be won again and again.

The nations which have chosen this path have a responsibility to more than their own citizens. They have an obligation to cry out against all of the alternatives which can only offer more oppression. Perhaps that is why so many around the world are wondering why the United States is now straying away from that which made them exceptional and inspirational.
 
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Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: blanghorst
Originally posted by: shira

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

You do realize Reagan was only president until January 20, 1989 -- correct?

You do realise that PJABBER WILL argue that it was Reagans work that drove the wall down, right?

Truth is, a society and their leaders revolted and no other nation really helped at all.

I would agree with you, but I would also say Reagan and others had a big hand in it as well.

I would say that Reagan wanted the status quo, he'd rather have one huge poor nation than a sheitload of nuclear silos spread out in a very unstable part of the world (which he understood, and rightfully so, that it would become).

I'd like to see ANY direct evidence via talks, direct help or anything of the sort more than mere speculation that it might have helped with not and what that Reagan did something he might or might not have done.

Truth is, i admire people who stand up like that and i really dislike it when someone says that they "helped" when in reality they did not.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: PJABBER
November of 1989 was the most liberating month of arguably the most liberating year in human history...

I'd say 1863 (Emancipation Proclamation) has 1989 beat by a good margin.

1944 (Germany's surrender during WWII) also has 1989 beat.

Oh, and how about 1783 (Treaty of Paris)? That was a MUCH better year for liberation.

And what about 1795 (French Constitution)? I think the French would say THAT was a better year.

The end of the cold war didn't save humanity. It didn't solve the day-to-day problems of common people. We still face the very real and growing threat of nuclear terrorism. We still fact the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But Reagan is your hero, so of course you think 1989 was wonderful.

It was 1945 and Germany's surrender still left millions stuck under Soviet rule. Most of them until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
I could be mis-remembering, but I thought Germany surrendered in May of 1944, and VE day was in 1945.

Edit: Just looked it up. You're right. Berlin surrendered in 1944, but Germany didn't surrender until 1945.

Anyway, I was thinking of the intended victims of Germany's genocide. And overall, I'm certain that the world felt a MUCH greater sense of relief when WWII ended than when the Berlin Wall fell.

 
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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: bamacre
Are you implying that Communism could have worked, successfully, had it not been for our intervention?

if you address the question to me, I would say there are innate and fatal weaknesses in state controlled economies and political systems. These "centrally" planned and forced systems are inevitably resisted and eventually fail from both internal and external factors.

It is hard to think of any totalitarian economic and political system that lasted all that long, not that democratic capitalism has such a long history itself. Of course, you can have a succession of despots, but it is usually a self-defeating progression that implodes or is driven into failure. And you can have democracies which are weakened by self doubt destroyed by totalitarianism's siren call.

The economic and political democratic capitalist system is likely the closest that anyone has come up with to satisfy the economic and aspirational needs of humanity. It is fragile in that the opportunities and freedoms it offers must be won again and again.

The nations which have chosen this path have a responsibility to more than their own citizens. They have an obligation to cry out against all of the alternatives which can only offer more oppression. Perhaps that is why so many around the world are wondering why the United States is now straying away from that which made them exceptional and inspirational.

Name one prosperous capitalistic society.

Name one prosperous socialistic society.

You can't because extremes do not work, ALL prosperous societies have a mixed economy.

Most people think that socialism is about taxes or government ownership of some things but in reality it's about government regulation of the free market.

Truth is, you'd be hard pressed to find ANY western mixed economy nation that has as much regulation of the free market as the US.

Open up trade and "omg that is socialist" while it most certainly is the opposite is just one of the arguments i have read (feel free to discard my hearsay if you want, i can't back it up since i read it in passing).

I don't know if this matters to you at all as i'm an outsider and this is information from the outside world but the US used to be a beacon of freedom, honesty and prosperity to most nations, even in Europe, yes, including France (well not Brits, you don't have any good food over there) but that changed in the GW years. You went from a calm good nation who took the steps neccessary and you WERE supported by the ENTIRETY of Europe when you were attacked and we all have forces in Afghanistan... Then... Ceasar syndrome, "with us or against us" and all that sheit. You lost all credibility, sure, we can work with you with Iran but we really don't want you to take a front seat this time.

Extremism didn't work all that well, not for GWB and not for the USA
 
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