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MjnMixael

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You can't turn off WiFi to test it. Your phone needs Wifi to communicate with the hub even if it's just local communication. You'll need to disconnect your modem only and then test it.
 

Tech_Greek

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Well, I noticed that a few of my bulbs were not working (less used ones) - mainly the office and the guest room. I had to end up resetting one of them and then all of a sudden all of the commands that refused to work for the bedroom and office started flying down.

It seems that groups of devices now page all at once, shortcuts/robots still do not (one bulb at a time); I could not force a firmware upgrade to popup on the hub though.
 

androidusr

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.56 update seems to have added local commands for the hub (already had them for the relay). I could be wrong but my lights now turn on instantly all at once instead of one at a time.

I also found it interesting that lights paired to the hub will dim in a progressive way, as opposed to the lights paired to the Relay which go from dim to full brightness in one instant the ones paired to the hub gradually go from dim to full on as if there is more coding in the hub telling it when it gets a command to go from 10% to 100% it does so in increments similar to how the hue bulbs work. This only works when dimming from an "on" state though where as the hue lights also do it when turning off an on.

Its already confirmed that the Relay can do local commands, before today my relay paired lights worked much faster and turned on all at once, with the .56 update my Hub paired lights now do the same. I have to think the Hub is now doing local commands (I was told this was coming through a firmware update just last week as well) but maybe I'm wrong?

@jmcguire525 - what's your idea of "local commands". If you're controlling the lights via a mobile app (connected to Wink server), you're not doing local commands. If you're telling your mobile app the IP address of your wink hub on your local lan, then maybe, but did that actually come up? If you disconnect your DSL or cable modem's uplink cable, does wink still work?

Also, regarding the lights dimming thing - is that a different behavior than earlier version of the wink hub? Or are you just making an observation, not commenting on a change in behavior?

"I could be wrong but my lights now turn on instantly all at once instead of one at a time."

Are those lights that "turn on all at once" in some kind of group? What button are you pressing to get them to "turn on all at once"?
 

smhawkes

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I have been following this since I got my Wink hub but did not feel a need to post until now. I have been questioning Wink on Twitter about there lack of support for generic z-wave devices and their general lack of communications. Tonight I went to Twitter to ask about firmware 00.56 and a changelog only to find that Wink has blocked me on Twitter.

How is that for "customer service"? I saw earlier posts here about the CEO being childish but to block your customers is a bit over the line I think.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I had to fool my Wink hub to force it up to upgrade.

Try this and let us know if it works?

Select "Add a Product" then Lights then Link Light Bulb

It should force you to upgrade.

Everyone else - Where should I see the "local" options you're all talking about?

No dice for me on trying to force an upgrade.
 

Kaido

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I have been following this since I got my Wink hub but did not feel a need to post until now. I have been questioning Wink on Twitter about there lack of support for generic z-wave devices and their general lack of communications. Tonight I went to Twitter to ask about firmware 00.56 and a changelog only to find that Wink has blocked me on Twitter.

How is that for "customer service"? I saw earlier posts here about the CEO being childish but to block your customers is a bit over the line I think.

Bottom line, it doesn't work as advertised. A lot of people are transitioning over to SmartThings:

http://community.smartthings.com/t/how-easy-to-transition-from-wink-to-smartthings/5741/8

Also, mixed thoughts on the Twitter block. Technically, Twitter, for companies, is more of an advertising medium rather than a place for tech support, unless they specifically set up an account for that purpose (like @LinksysCares). Not that I'm defending them, but airing issues in public that would put them in a negative light isn't really the ideal way for a response, especially since they've specifically stated they only have minimal generic Z-wave support & officially only support Wink Certified products. I've had mixed responses myself to them on Twitter & have found email is better for communicating with the company, although sometimes the responses are fast & sometimes they take awhile. And while I'd like them to have things like an official web interface & Windows phone support, they have made no official statement on that front and so it is what it is - this is the product they offer, today, right now, and I can't really expect more features if that's not what they are advertising.

I think we have to accept them as they are, and take a realistic look at their performance over the last 6 months. I don't want to make any personal attacks, but their CEO does appear to be more...relaxed...than other CEO's, and that appears to filter down to their communications, support, uptime, and general product & service reliability. Historically, customers have not reviewed their products very well either:

Wink Hub: 3 stars out of 381 reviews
Tripper sensors: 3.5 stars out of 19 reviews
Aros Smart A/C: 3 stars out of 250 reviews
Wink Relay: 3 stars out of 10 reviews
Spotter: 2 stars out of 64 reviews
Pivot Power Genius: 2 stars out of 17 reviews
Nimbus dashboard: 2 stars out of 6 reviews

My enthusiasm for a Wink-connected system has gone down quite a bit. While I still like the system, the hiccups are annoying. I have given up on scheduling my lights. People are still struggling getting the Hubs setup out-of-the-box, as well as with firmware updates. The service still goes down because it is cloud-based. Half of the product line has issues, as is evident from the poor reviews linked above. I didn't mind investing in some of the initial Wink equipment because of the promise it had, but I'm definitely not willing to spend $300 on a Relay when it only has an average of 3-star reviews, with most people saying that it's not ready for primetime yet. I don't want the upgrades I put in my house, which I use every single day, to be half-baked.

I don't want to turn this into a whine-fest, because generally, the system does work pretty good. However, new things are on the horizon, specifically the SmartThings v2 hub, and I am looking forward to what that has to offer. However, this time, I will be smarter & let someone else be the guinea pig so that I don't feel like I'm wasting my time & money on a system that isn't reliable. I've enjoyed tinkering with my Wink equipment, but I'd also really like it to work at least 99% of the time, which it does not, and it's hard to sell your non-techie family members on more equipment when the stuff you have already doesn't play nice sometimes.

I agree that transparency would be a good thing. For starters, setting up a Twitter support account & creating a public forum would be huge steps in the right direction for improving customer communications. Adding detailed changelogs to the firmware updates would help as well. Since they are big into letting people design stuff (under the Quirky brand), it'd be nice to have a section of the forum to vote on the features that need the most attention & new features that should be added, i.e. a web GUI, Windows phone support, and so on. Everyone understands that new companies have issues, especially since we know they were more or less rushed to the market, but they keep releasing new products & not fixing the issues they have, and even those new products (like the Relay & Tripper) are getting the same poor reviews as the existing older stuff. And then we have those oddly sexualized commercials with the weird robot butlet, but again, that's a whole different discussion
 

MjnMixael

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@jmcguire525 - what's your idea of "local commands". If you're controlling the lights via a mobile app (connected to Wink server), you're not doing local commands. If you're telling your mobile app the IP address of your wink hub on your local lan, then maybe, but did that actually come up? If you disconnect your DSL or cable modem's uplink cable, does wink still work?

Also, regarding the lights dimming thing - is that a different behavior than earlier version of the wink hub? Or are you just making an observation, not commenting on a change in behavior?

"I could be wrong but my lights now turn on instantly all at once instead of one at a time."

Are those lights that "turn on all at once" in some kind of group? What button are you pressing to get them to "turn on all at once"?

you would not necessarily need to enter your hub's IP. the Roku app works locally and you don't bed to ever an IP. Same for Logitech Harmony Hub. This apps search for the appropriate device in your network so users don't have to figure out 10 digit numbers that don't mean anything to non tech people.

that said, I'm still very skeptical that local commands are working on the hub.
 

smhawkes

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Also, mixed thoughts on the Twitter block. Technically, Twitter, for companies, is more of an advertising medium rather than a place for tech support, unless they specifically set up an account for that purpose (like @LinksysCares).

On the Wink contact page Twitter is listed under the Support section.
 

Kaido

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On the Wink contact page Twitter is listed under the Support section.

Yeah, but again, it's not like it's @WinkSupport, you know? Just take a look at their feed - it's all promotional stuff, pushing commercials, integration, and new products:

https://twitter.com/thewinkapp

Most of the retweets are "my Wink system is so great!" type of stuff - not your typical venue for support, let alone public support & the airing of issues to the masses, you know?
 

smhawkes

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My main point is that the Wink hub does not work as advertised and they don't like people pointing that out. Instead of addressing their lack of communication they just block comments they don't like.
 

winkaggiehouse

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For anyone that is interested in a dedicated WINK forum, I just started one.

Feel free to go to http://wink.aggiehouse.com

If this is not an appropriate post, I trust a moderator will delete, and I certainly won't hold any hard feelings.

Thanks, and I hope to meet you guys there.

Ed Williams
 

Kaido

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My main point is that the Wink hub does not work as advertised and they don't like people pointing that out. Instead of addressing their lack of communication they just block comments they don't like.

Yeah, and I hate to say it, but that's any big company. If they want to be modern, they really need a support forum & a separate Twitter support account to field issues from. We all want them to succeed - we're invested both financially & time/effort-wise - but we're mostly getting radio silence as far as bugfixes & future features goes. I see awesome new stuff like the Relay being released, and then I see it being rated poorly on Amazon. I'm not too keen on spending more money with them at this point.
 

fletchb

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I am guessing I did this last night removing a zwave switch from wink, but regardless, when I woke up this am all my Zwave devices were gone from Wink.

I was running late, so did not have much time to investigate, but normal way of adding devices did not work. So Iam guessing I need to reset all Zwave devices?

Any ideas?
thanks,
Fletch
 

ieee_raider

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Yeah, but again, it's not like it's @WinkSupport, you know? Just take a look at their feed - it's all promotional stuff, pushing commercials, integration, and new products:

https://twitter.com/thewinkapp

Most of the retweets are "my Wink system is so great!" type of stuff - not your typical venue for support, let alone public support & the airing of issues to the masses, you know?
Well actually if you look at the "tweets and replies" they do a crap load of service replies on twitter. Their twitter person has been more responsive than email or phone for me. But they usually ask you to talk details over DM.
I've tweeted multiple issues and never had a problem with them.
 

IndyColtsFan

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you would not necessarily need to enter your hub's IP. the Roku app works locally and you don't bed to ever an IP. Same for Logitech Harmony Hub. This apps search for the appropriate device in your network so users don't have to figure out 10 digit numbers that don't mean anything to non tech people.

that said, I'm still very skeptical that local commands are working on the hub.

Mine finally upgraded to .56 - it actually locked up and after an hour or so, I had to power cycle it. It definitely is NOT using local commands, as I still see a delay when turning on the lights.
 

fletchb

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I am guessing I did this last night removing a zwave switch from wink, but regardless, when I woke up this am all my Zwave devices were gone from Wink.

I was running late, so did not have much time to investigate, but normal way of adding devices did not work. So Iam guessing I need to reset all Zwave devices?

Any ideas?
thanks,
Fletch

FWIW - Just got off the phone with Wink. Tried many things but they think they have an issue on their end as they could not pair a local zwave device. So if you are having issues with Zwave this may be why.

They also told me that zwave polling is very close to being operational .. so good news there.
 

hanly2

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You can't turn off WiFi to test it. Your phone needs Wifi to communicate with the hub even if it's just local communication. You'll need to disconnect your modem only and then test it.

Lol I was trying to figure out what these guys were thinking.
 

smhawkes

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Well actually if you look at the "tweets and replies" they do a crap load of service replies on twitter. Their twitter person has been more responsive than email or phone for me. But they usually ask you to talk details over DM.
I've tweeted multiple issues and never had a problem with them.

One of my first times tweeting them about generic Z-Wave sensors got me a response of they were coming out with lots of new stuff soon and that "I hope it won't be too much of an inconvenience for you" referring to the wait. To me that came of as talking down to your customers or not caring.
 

MjnMixael

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What would you prefer they say?

"More Z-Wave support is coming soon. Enjoy your wait!"

Or perhaps the more canned response as if they aren't sure you care...

"Sorry for any inconvenience."

I think you're just nitpicking now... Of all the valid complaints there are for Wink, you are criticizing their particular word choice in a tweet? In fact you are complaining about a sentence that, to me, looks like they were trying for it not to be the generic cliche response...
 

Kaido

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What would you prefer they say?

"More Z-Wave support is coming soon. Enjoy your wait!"

Or perhaps the more canned response as if they aren't sure you care...

"Sorry for any inconvenience."

I think you're just nitpicking now... Of all the valid complaints there are for Wink, you are criticizing their particular word choice in a tweet? In fact you are complaining about a sentence that, to me, looks like they were trying for it not to be the generic cliche response...

Part of it too is that we all knew going in that they are focused on Wink-Certified hardware. While they do have basic generic Z-wave support, it's more or less an "on your own" thing; technically, they owe us nothing & all we can do is request it as a future feature.

From a pure marketing & legal standpoint, that's like being upset that the car you purchased a few months ago can't fly, but you really want it to fly, and it has some holes to attach wings to if you want to try to DIY, but it's not an officially supported feature. The only right we have as consumers is to get upset when the specific advertised features do not work (coughschedulingcough), because that's what they are liable for. For example, I'd really like them to add Windows phone support because I'd like to set up my aging mom with a nice, simple Wink system, but they currently don't support it in any official capacity, so I just have to accept that for now (and based on my mixed experience with it for the last 6 months, I probably wouldn't go with them anyway at this point, haha).
 

Kaido

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FWIW - Just got off the phone with Wink. Tried many things but they think they have an issue on their end as they could not pair a local zwave device. So if you are having issues with Zwave this may be why.

They also told me that zwave polling is very close to being operational .. so good news there.

That's pretty cool, thanks for the update!

I guess part of my problem is that I've never heard of Z-wave being 100% reliable by itself, in ANY system. But I've also read of major knocks on Zigbee for stuff like RF interference. So I dunno if there's a really reliable standard for wireless IoT device communication. There's a lot of marketing gloss, but reading actual user experiences (like the Wink experiences in this thread) tells me a different story.
 

ieee_raider

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Part of it too is that we all knew going in that they are focused on Wink-Certified hardware. While they do have basic generic Z-wave support, it's more or less an "on your own" thing; technically, they owe us nothing & all we can do is request it as a future feature.

From a pure marketing & legal standpoint, that's like being upset that the car you purchased a few months ago can't fly, but you really want it to fly, and it has some holes to attach wings to if you want to try to DIY, but it's not an officially supported feature. The only right we have as consumers is to get upset when the specific advertised features do not work (coughschedulingcough), because that's what they are liable for. For example, I'd really like them to add Windows phone support because I'd like to set up my aging mom with a nice, simple Wink system, but they currently don't support it in any official capacity, so I just have to accept that for now (and based on my mixed experience with it for the last 6 months, I probably wouldn't go with them anyway at this point, haha).
They bent over backwards to help me figure out a generic z-wave issue (linear switch re-pairing). First guy couldn't figure it out, had an engineer return a call that same night and we were able to figure it out.

... point being, they aren't all bad and obviously not all good; just inconsistent.
 

brinkbart

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I have a suggestion for a feature they should add to the Wink App. (I know, I know, they need to get everything working reliably first.)

A "Capture Lighting States" Button
I suggest that there be a button to capture the way you currently have all your lighting set up: what's on, what's off, brightness levels, etc. That way, you can actually tell in real life if your settings are going to be bright enough for your schedule/routine instead of just a stab in the dark (see what I did there?).

I am not suggesting saving all the captured lighting states in a list... because that's basically what a shortcut is. I mean, anywhere you can set an activity to happen (like when creating a robot, shortcut, or schedule), you should be able to go around the room and set everything the way you want it, and then click the capture button. Now all the devices' current states show up as settings under the Make This Happen: section of the robot/shortcut/schedule you're creating! You can then add more settings on the app, or you can just click SAVE/DONE.

Of course, you would have to be able choose which devices or lighting groups are captured when you hit the "capture" button.

Maybe this would work for all the other devices that have a "state" too.
 
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