Thermalright SI-128?

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
As a side note, your sig is longer than your post, and seems to be meant to ignite flame wars. :thumbsdown:

My sig is my sig and I don't give a fvck what you think. I don't even care if it wasn't wreckage. I just found it quite funny. It wasn't meant to be personal either. Just how pathetic the video forum has become if you want to think of it like that.:| Also my sig isn't that long. It's only 2 quotes. Contact the moderator if you don't like it. So everytime I post I gotta make a post longer than my sig? maybe I should quote my sig and then write a sentence then post. :roll:

ACtually I thought they should use 8... Because they heat also gets spread more evenly or you could pack more into the sides. I mean look at the Zalman 9500. The heatpipes are at the bottom not the top. I think that if the heatpipes were spead through the middle of the fins it'd help the cooling ability. With 4 large heatpipes some areas of the fins are cooler while others are still warm.

Nice job noobster, your reply to my "side note" is yet again longer than your "contribution" to the thread. :laugh:

Anyway, just packing more pipes in doesn't mean its going to cool any better. By adding more pipes, they'd have to be more narrow, no? You're adding surface area but losing the cooling that the volume of air in the pipes gives.

And if you're thinking you can just slap staggered pipes throughout the cooler, there is such a thing as manufacturing costs to consider

They add ~50% more fins and increase the volume of the pipes by ~50% of an already very good cooler.[/quote]

Well your first post had hmm 2 short sentences on the subject. Then 1 long sentence. It's about equal for yours... You are really pathetic whining about my posts. Go whine to the moderator since I'm not changing.

"anyway just packing more pipes in doesn't mean it's going to cool any better." So packing bigger pipes in is going to cool better? weak point.

Hey if it's going to be a "monster" cooler who cares about manufacturing costs since that was the design goal.

#2 exactly why I said more smaller pipes. Smaller pipes don't take up as much fin space as larger pipes. More of them also create more surface area. Any object for example. Break it up into smaller pieces and you do get more surface area. I did not disagree with doubling the fins.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
"anyway just packing more pipes in doesn't mean it's going to cool any better." So packing bigger pipes in is going to cool better? weak point.

Ummm, yeah, thats what I'm saying.

Hey if it's going to be a "monster" cooler who cares about manufacturing costs since that was the design goal.

yeah, ok.

#2 exactly why I said more smaller pipes. Smaller pipes don't take up as much fin space as larger pipes. More of them also create more surface area. Any object for example. Break it up into smaller pieces and you do get more surface area. I did not disagree with doubling the fins.

The heat transfer or transport capacity of a heat pipe is specified by its " Axial Power Rating (APC)". It is the energy moving axially along the pipe. The larger the heat pipe diameter, greater is the APR.

 

[Howard]

The end of the pipe might heat up faster, but it seems to me as if the smaller pipe would release its energy to the fin faster since the circumference/area ratio is higher.

 

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
In the last 2 years give or take a year or two the people who make after market heat sinks are scrambling to keep sales moving and to provide the consumer with new products that work as well or better than the current leaders.

Such as the Scythe Ninja or the Thermalright 120 or even the tt Big Typhoon, the Zalman 9500 or even Arctic Cooling 64 Pro.
Then you have shall we say copy cats that are also functional such as the Tuniq and others.
Whats left to this industry is not an easy task.
You always try to have new and exciting products that work.
Yet they are faced with needing new ideas yet keeping the weight down. As Scythe found out when trying to design a copper version of the Ninja.
You also have cool looking heatsinks that IMO will be the direction the industry will go in.
Such as the Zalman 9500 which works very well and adds a different look to the inside of your case.
You also have the CoolerMaster heatsink which can be fund at http://www.jonnyguru.com/
just scroll down to Wednesday, June 21, 2006.
I believe that you will see heatsinks become a work of art that is functional and really nice to look at.
Where else can they go?
More heatpipes?
More mass?
maybe a different metal such as a different alloy?
Its hard to figure.
But it will be interesting to go for the ride!

Sunbeam can copy all they want, the Tuniq Tower 120 is the best performing air hs on the market

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
In the last 2 years give or take a year or two the people who make after market heat sinks are scrambling to keep sales moving and to provide the consumer with new products that work as well or better than the current leaders.

Such as the Scythe Ninja or the Thermalright 120 or even the tt Big Typhoon, the Zalman 9500 or even Arctic Cooling 64 Pro.
Then you have shall we say copy cats that are also functional such as the Tuniq and others.
Whats left to this industry is not an easy task.
You always try to have new and exciting products that work.
Yet they are faced with needing new ideas yet keeping the weight down. As Scythe found out when trying to design a copper version of the Ninja.
You also have cool looking heatsinks that IMO will be the direction the industry will go in.
Such as the Zalman 9500 which works very well and adds a different look to the inside of your case.
You also have the CoolerMaster heatsink which can be fund at http://www.jonnyguru.com/
just scroll down to Wednesday, June 21, 2006.
I believe that you will see heatsinks become a work of art that is functional and really nice to look at.
Where else can they go?
More heatpipes?
More mass?
maybe a different metal such as a different alloy?
Its hard to figure.
But it will be interesting to go for the ride!

Sunbeam can copy all they want, the Tuniq Tower 120 is the best performing air hs on the market

I have read reviews that are mixed but for the most part.
Even XBits gives the Tuniq solid high marks!

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=9&artpage=1821&articID=419

The Ninja has reigned supreme for some time now in our charts but the Tower 120 is able to sneak in front of it, shaving of 2°C with the Papst at 100%. However at lower fan speed the Ninja still holds the lead (2°C) as the tightly packed fins on the Tower 120 are not designed for low CFM fans.

With the stock fan at high the performance is awesome but noise levels are very high, fortunately with the stock fan at low speed the performance/noise ratio remains excellent.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Elfear
After reading a couple reviews that pitted the tower-style hsfs against the squatter-style hsfs (XP-120, SI-120, etc.) it's pretty conclusive that the squatter-style cool the board better.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that having air blow down on your board is a good thing, even if it doesn't route the air through the case as efficiently as possible.

Thats not true at all.
For the very few tower heatsinks on the market. The Scythe Ninja in review after review gets better marks than any of the "squatter" heat sinks. Albeit the margin is only 1c-3c at best!

The Artic Freezer 64Pro also is right up there along with the Tuniq heatsink and the Zalman 9500!

If you have peoper airflow in your case to begin with having airblowing down on your mobo is negligible at best!

Have fun!

I think you're missing the point of my post. I said from what I've read and in my experience the squat-style coolers cool the board components better. I'm not talking about the cpu here. And just to set the record straight, the last 5-6 heastsinks I've either used in builds for friends or have recommended to others has been the Scythe Ninja. Awesome hsf for the price. I use one in my office rig and it passivley cooled my Opteron 144 at 2.9GHz dual Prime stable. Trust me, I see the advantages tower-style coolers have too.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Elfear
After reading a couple reviews that pitted the tower-style hsfs against the squatter-style hsfs (XP-120, SI-120, etc.) it's pretty conclusive that the squatter-style cool the board better.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that having air blow down on your board is a good thing, even if it doesn't route the air through the case as efficiently as possible.

Thats not true at all.
For the very few tower heatsinks on the market. The Scythe Ninja in review after review gets better marks than any of the "squatter" heat sinks. Albeit the margin is only 1c-3c at best!


Obviously your experiences are different
The Artic Freezer 64Pro also is right up there along with the Tuniq heatsink and the Zalman 9500!

If you have peoper airflow in your case to begin with having airblowing down on your mobo is negligible at best!

Have fun!

I think you're missing the point of my post. I said from what I've read and in my experience the squat-style coolers cool the board components better. I'm not talking about the cpu here. And just to set the record straight, the last 5-6 heastsinks I've either used in builds for friends or have recommended to others has been the Scythe Ninja. Awesome hsf for the price. I use one in my office rig and it passivley cooled my Opteron 144 at 2.9GHz dual Prime stable. Trust me, I see the advantages tower-style coolers have too.

Actually in my experiences with what you would call squat style verses tower I have never seen any advantage with one over the other. But thats my experiences with heatsinks.

have a good day!!

 

[fierydemise]

"Squatter" vs. tower really depends on the needs of the user. Squatters cool the area around the CPU which has theoretically helps OCing however squatters force the heated air to be recirculated which may cause the other components to ramp up adding to the noise. Towers on the other hand provide a direct line out of the case using the rear fan which keeps limits the heated CPU air in the case but towers don't provide as much cooling to the rest of the system. Basically if noise is the primary concern towers are the better option, OCing go with a squatter.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
"Squatter" vs. tower really depends on the needs of the user. Squatters cool the area around the CPU which has theoretically helps OCing however squatters force the heated air to be recirculated which may cause the other components to ramp up adding to the noise. Towers on the other hand provide a direct line out of the case using the rear fan which keeps limits the heated CPU air in the case but towers don't provide as much cooling to the rest of the system. Basically if noise is the primary concern towers are the better option, OCing go with a squatter.

Yes, and thats why I prefer the squatters myself. Lets face it, most heatsinks will do fine, even when heavily oc'd. Alot of people are focused on the difference between 42c and 45c loads. Last I checked, my x2 is rated to 65c.

I run 24/7 loaded with DC projects and games and with an xp-90 I might hit 48c during these summer months, depends how cheap I am with the AC

I'd rather have the squatters blowng the air across the board. Just raising the rpm from 1600 to 2000 will drop my PWMIC temps 2-3c on my dfi nf4 board.

 

[Dave Sz]

the heatpipes on that thing are 8mm wide, now, that seems BIG to me. I'm picking one up and putting the xp90 with the 120mm on my vid card.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
"anyway just packing more pipes in doesn't mean it's going to cool any better." So packing bigger pipes in is going to cool better? weak point.

Ummm, yeah, thats what I'm saying.

Hey if it's going to be a "monster" cooler who cares about manufacturing costs since that was the design goal.

yeah, ok.

#2 exactly why I said more smaller pipes. Smaller pipes don't take up as much fin space as larger pipes. More of them also create more surface area. Any object for example. Break it up into smaller pieces and you do get more surface area. I did not disagree with doubling the fins.

The heat transfer or transport capacity of a heat pipe is specified by its " Axial Power Rating (APC)". It is the energy moving axially along the pipe. The larger the heat pipe diameter, greater is the APR.

It may transfer more heat and I didn't even mentione how much heat it can transfer but simply how efficiently it can dissipate heat. Read under your post for howards point which is what I was saying all along. IF you take many thin pipes you can dissipate more heat to the fins since instead of 1 8mm heatpipes you take 1mm heatpipes and make enough to basically "fill" the 8mm heatpipe and it would provide much more surface area. thereby transfering more heat to the fins.

I was joking about manufacturing costs but it was never a point of disagreement anyway.

 

[JEDIYoda]

VinDSL states--The SI-128 would appear to be the *new* king of standard radiator layouts for Intel LGA775 users, and a worthy alternative to the Ultra-120 and/or SI-120 in the AMD community!

I have been and always will be one to point out there is NO clear King of anything.
Given any set of circumstances the Scythe Ninja or the Sythe Mine or the Zalman 9500 or the SI 128 ot the SI 120 or the Artic Freezer Pro 64 depending on the circumstances that are prevalent in any given case, any one of these Heatsinks could be the best for a given set up!

All arguments aside just because a given heatsink gets super fantastic low temps does not mean that will be true for every system.

Also we need to be asking ourselves at what point do you get diminishing returns?
Example -
Its a known fact that on a heatsink anything over 40cfm - 50cfm you start to see no greater lowering of the temps.

I am sure there will come a time when that will also be true of heatsinks. If it has not already happenned!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Remedy

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
ooo, interesting...is it better than the Ninja?

The Ninja's target market was to be able to run it passively. I don't think comparing the two products would make exact sense. Since the Si-128 isn't meant marketed as a passive design.

The fact that the Ninja `s market was to be able to run passively has nothing to do with anything.
The fact is the Ninja can be used both ways!
Where the Ninja dominates is with a fan attached.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page2.html
Yes they do make a fan attachment thus it is now meant for both types of operation.

SPCR review--My final assessment should be obvious: The Scythe Ninja is an excellent HS that can be confidently recommended for the most demanding CPU cooling challenges at truly whisper quiet noise levels when mated with the correct 120mm fan. Overclockers will be delighted with the Ninja as well; with even moderate airflow it should be able to tackle all manner of hot processors. In the right case, like an Antec P180, the Scythe Ninja is just about perfect.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: Remedy

Originally posted by: RallyMaster
ooo, interesting...is it better than the Ninja?

The Ninja's target market was to be able to run it passively. I don't think comparing the two products would make exact sense. Since the Si-128 isn't meant marketed as a passive design.

who actually uses the ninja without a fan?

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: skooma
From "another winner" to :new king......" This thing is getting better all the time

Anyway, I agree, this thing looks sweet. I like my xp-90 but i'll gladly take a step up to this "king" provided svc runs a deal on it :laugh:

yeah, i'm considering a ninja plus or a mine, but if this drops down to the price level of those scythes, I'll have to go with this.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

On Topic, Thanks for the post. I ordered one via Froogle along with a Scythe S-Flex fan. Now all three sinks here get pushed back The Zalman 7000 ends up in the used parts box.


...Galvanized

which s-flex did you order, there are 3 versions: the "d" "e" and "f". The f has the highest cfm and the d the lowest, and is ultra silent. Which one?

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: hemmy

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
In the last 2 years give or take a year or two the people who make after market heat sinks are scrambling to keep sales moving and to provide the consumer with new products that work as well or better than the current leaders.

Such as the Scythe Ninja or the Thermalright 120 or even the tt Big Typhoon, the Zalman 9500 or even Arctic Cooling 64 Pro.
Then you have shall we say copy cats that are also functional such as the Tuniq and others.
Whats left to this industry is not an easy task.
You always try to have new and exciting products that work.
Yet they are faced with needing new ideas yet keeping the weight down. As Scythe found out when trying to design a copper version of the Ninja.
You also have cool looking heatsinks that IMO will be the direction the industry will go in.
Such as the Zalman 9500 which works very well and adds a different look to the inside of your case.
You also have the CoolerMaster heatsink which can be fund at http://www.jonnyguru.com/
just scroll down to Wednesday, June 21, 2006.
I believe that you will see heatsinks become a work of art that is functional and really nice to look at.
Where else can they go?
More heatpipes?
More mass?
maybe a different metal such as a different alloy?
Its hard to figure.
But it will be interesting to go for the ride!

Sunbeam can copy all they want, the Tuniq Tower 120 is the best performing air hs on the market

this is true, but they had the benefit of looking at all the other sinks and seeing what worked and what didn't. Good for us and tuniq, bad for other companies.

EDIT: woops, sorry for posting 4 different replies, all I did was read through the thread and quote people and respond to that. Should hae put it all in one post.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: acegazda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

On Topic, Thanks for the post. I ordered one via Froogle along with a Scythe S-Flex fan. Now all three sinks here get pushed back The Zalman 7000 ends up in the used parts box.


...Galvanized

which s-flex did you order, there are 3 versions: the "d" "e" and "f". The f has the highest cfm and the d the lowest, and is ultra silent. Which one?

The mostest job, 1600rpm and 64cfm. Good fans can be slowed down to silence w/undervolting. Cheap silent fans can not be sped up for better cooling on hot days.

I live in a desert area and do not use the A/C...at all. I am not a silence freak So if your posting from the UK, Canada or Greenland, take my location into consideration.

I just weighed a NMB 125x25 and this Scythe fan. It is probably the ceramic bearing, the Scythe weighs 8.3oz, the NMB 6.0oz.


...Galvanized

 

[OatMan]

I've found that the SI-128 isn't really much of an improvement over the 120 so far. In terms of performance. THere are some pros and cons to both that might make one woth it over the other, but I certainly don't see any over riding reason to go from a 120 to the 128.

FWIW - if your hoping for fan overhang on the RAM the 128 might dissapoint you. The larger and rearranged heatpipes and use of the stock AMD MB Bracket mean that the 128 can only be oriented one way. On my DFI Expert that means facing AWAY from my RAM. Now my PWMIC is more than 5 C cooler. yeah. Lukily there seems no affect on RAM performance.

The fin surface area is significantly larger. Overall there is noticable performance improvement though it is small (1 - 2 C) for me.

As for price. Well its new so it will take the 120s price point. You couldn't find the 120 for under $40 when it first came out. In a year this will be the same as I'm sure the next cooler will bump it.

My thoughts on the larger Heat Pipes. Now this is just a WAG on my part, but why would the smaller surface area ratio of a larger heat pipe be a bad thing? Heatpipe surface area seems to me unimportant As the cooling comes from the transfer of heat into the fins. Larger heatpipe means more efficient heat transfer to the fins yes? Shouldn't the surface area of the pipe itself be rather a small factor? Especially after it has been running for a while and the internal fluid is finally doing its job...


My mini Review 128 vs 120 (verbal vomit)

 

[Zinthar]

Originally posted by: VinDSL

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
VinDSL,...even if I built a water cooled rig... [ which I haven't ]... blah, blah...

I do not like tall, heavy sinks that keep air away from the main board... [ which is my principled right ]... blah, blah...

Okay! Fair enough! Good point!

I've spent to a lot of time, effort, and money (relatively speaking - less than 50 bones actually) to make sure my case is properly ventilated (according to conventional logic), e.g. cool air comes in the front (and side) and hot goes out the back, as quickly as possible.

Are we all, at least, on the same page here -- or do 'you' think cool air should come in and swirl around the M/B for a while before exiting the rear?

Then, we can discuss what takes place in the middle of the case, if you want... In the middle of this cool air flow, so to speak...

Maybe I'm totally wrong on the turbulence vs. restricted airflow debate! Maybe I should forget the Tuniq T-120 I ordered, for instance, which is on perpetual back-order anyway, and settle for a Typhoon, which I can buy anywhere, or a SI-128, which is vaporware too, same as the Tuniq...

You see, to my way of thinking... the case fans should do what they're supposed to do, ventilating and evacuating the case, and the integrated push-pull fan in my back-ordered Tuniq (ideally) should compensate for its' massive girth, i.e. its' restrictive size, by helping the process along -- pulling in cool air from the front of the case, transferring heat from the CPU core, via the heatpipes, and pushing this heated air toward the exhaust fans. Am I wrong about this?

I cannot see how recirculating heated air sideways, in the middle of this cool air flow, is helping matters... but maybe I'm missing a crucial facet...

I think where the Big Typhoon would really shine is in a case with a side vent blowhole oriented around the CPU (as many cases have). The Big Typhoon would then be pulling cool air from the outside into the case and acting as an extra side intake. The exhaust fan (which has a stronger pull), would then suck out the air after it hits the chipset components and warms.

Or maybe it doesn't work like this at all...I'm not sure.

I'm thinking of buying a typhoon because my case has the side blowhole that would seem to be perfect for it (unless the typhoon is too big and forces me to remove the plastic blowhole.