Think about this..... You Pigs

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Your comparison is not the one you should be looking at.

What you should be looking at is it was expected of the U.S. to help France during WWII when it was under control of a dictator, Hitler.

Now that the U.S. is trying to do the same for Iraq, its not ok with France because France has monetary gain associated with keeping Saddam in power. France does not simply not support us, they have publicly denounced US actions.... it was these same kind of US actions that got them their freedom in the first place.

 

[Aquaman]

The only true thing I've learned about this thread is that Wolverine27 wants to have sex not once but twice with a french man :Q

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[Ly2n]

All this talk about saving France's but during WWII forget a couple of things. First, we entered the war because we were attacked and second we entered the war in Europe to save Britian's butt. That is why we had been sending supplies to Britian for many years, through the scam called Lend-Lease. About weather the US was a major power between the wars- somebody better do some homework. Do a google search and find the armed services numbers for during the times between the wars. You also may want to do a search about isolationism in America.

 

[NetGuySC]

Why did France actively try to stop us from invading Iraq?

Why did France actively try to stop NATO from defending Turkey?

I could care less if they are with us or not, but to publically undermine the US is another thing.

I am tempted on grabbing my shotgun and taking over France myself!!!

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Your comparison is not the one you should be looking at.

What you should be looking at is it was expected of the U.S. to help France during WWII when it was under control of a dictator, Hitler.

Now that the U.S. is trying to do the same for Iraq, its not ok with France because France has monetary gain associated with keeping Saddam in power. France does not simply not support us, they have publicly denounced US actions.... it was these same kind of US actions that got them their freedom in the first place.

Thank you very much. Finally, somebody else with brains. You damn hippies need to put your Latte down and smell the BS you're speaking....

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
Why did France actively try to stop us from invading Iraq?

Why did France actively try to stop NATO from defending Turkey?

I could care less if they are with us or not, but to publically undermine the US is another thing.

I am tempted on grabbing my shotgun and taking over France myself!!!

That would make THREE people with brains in this thread. Sheesh. You guys are just all about the feel good on your feet Birkenstocks, aren't you? When somebody or some country prevents MY country from doing the right thing, then they just plain suck ass, period.

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
Why did France actively try to stop us from invading Iraq?

Why did France actively try to stop NATO from defending Turkey?

I could care less if they are with us or not, but to publically undermine the US is another thing.

I am tempted on grabbing my shotgun and taking over France myself!!!

Using any amount of force to conquer France would be a waste of effort, just hire a rent-a-cop.

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: slycat
LOL...
guys check out all the Dragon avatars in this thread...
they are all one-liners with onetrack minds....

i thought that was pretty funny...they look like those guys on the sidelines throwing
a cough or a boo amidst a fight.

 

[Ultima]

hey, my grandfather was in the french foreign legion and earned some medals

They weren't all bad..

 

[Judgement]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Your comparison is not the one you should be looking at.

What you should be looking at is it was expected of the U.S. to help France during WWII when it was under control of a dictator, Hitler.

Now that the U.S. is trying to do the same for Iraq, its not ok with France because France has monetary gain associated with keeping Saddam in power. France does not simply not support us, they have publicly denounced US actions.... it was these same kind of US actions that got them their freedom in the first place.

Thank you very much. Finally, somebody else with brains. You damn hippies need to put your Latte down and smell the BS you're speaking....

No need to be upset, not all of us can look at the facts and give an unbiased educated opinion

 

[StinkyPinky]

Boring. WW2 was 60 years ago now, it's time for a new line. Plus everyone knows the USSR-Germany battles was the turning point of the war. Leave the poor frogs alone.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Boring. WW2 was 60 years ago now, it's time for a new line. Plus everyone knows the USSR-Germany battles was the turning point of the war. Leave the poor frogs alone.

who do you think we saved the frogs from? i'll tell you one thing, it wasn't the krauts.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Boring. WW2 was 60 years ago now, it's time for a new line. Plus everyone knows the USSR-Germany battles was the turning point of the war. Leave the poor frogs alone.

who do you think we saved the frogs from? i'll tell you one thing, it wasn't the krauts.

Possibly, but that's not relevant to WW2. Anyway, the soviets were out on their feet. They lost 13 million men in WW2, plus about 9 million civilians.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Boring. WW2 was 60 years ago now, it's time for a new line. Plus everyone knows the USSR-Germany battles was the turning point of the war. Leave the poor frogs alone.

who do you think we saved the frogs from? i'll tell you one thing, it wasn't the krauts.

Possibly, but that's not relevant to WW2. Anyway, the soviets were out on their feet. They lost 13 million men in WW2, plus about 9 million civilians.

and if our army hadn't been in control of the western part of europe the sovs would have fought the nazis all the way to the bay os biscay.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Boring. WW2 was 60 years ago now, it's time for a new line. Plus everyone knows the USSR-Germany battles was the turning point of the war. Leave the poor frogs alone.

who do you think we saved the frogs from? i'll tell you one thing, it wasn't the krauts.

Possibly, but that's not relevant to WW2. Anyway, the soviets were out on their feet. They lost 13 million men in WW2, plus about 9 million civilians.

and if our army hadn't been in control of the western part of europe the sovs would have fought the nazis all the way to the bay os biscay.

You are comparing events that may have happened to what did actually happen. If France hadn't helped the US in the revolution, the US may have lost. If Macedonia had helped Hannibal, the Romans would have lost the punic wars. It's all contention. None of this happened.

No one disputes the US were a great help in WW2. No one disputes that it would have gone differently winthout them. But to suggest they waltzed into the war (late) and won it all by themselves is tired old BS. It was a team effort.

 

[Feldenak]

I'm convinced some of you people don't read any history at all.

The primary reason the Soviets lost so many men in WWII was because they had little regard for the lives of their troops. The Soviets willingly threw their soldiers into meat grinder operations that many times served little or no strategic purpose.


Personally, I've never had a high opinion of the French. My grandfather would tell us stories of what a bunch of sorry, arrogant, ingrateful b@astards the French were. Of course he also tainted my view of the Red Cross as well but that's another thread entirely. The French have a history of misplaced arrogance, in my opinion they are living on the legacy of Charles Martel (last good French/Gaul commander) and have zero basis to be as arrogant as they are.

On that note, I'm bowing out of this thread.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Exactly, just because the French won't step in and support us, which obviously isn't neccesary at all, now the media and our government has been trying to get us turn against France for it. The US has created an "Us versus Them" mentality, along with this attitude is also the one of "with us or against us." Everything is not black and white.

You've got to be kidding. Who the hell asked the french to support us? I (and 99% of Americans in favor of the war I'd imagine) would be happy if the french had just stayed the hell out of things without waving their veto power all over the place like it made them important or something.

In reality the nobody ever expects support from the french for good reason. One of the greatest military leaders in our countries history, General Patton, said "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me". Geee, yah. Over the course of history we've really looked to the french for support

Oh, and a recent poll showed that fully a third of the french that were polled hoped that the U.S. lost the war. I don't care how biased that pole was... there's no excuse for those numbers coming from people who would without a doubt be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the bravery and strength of America.

Even if we are wrong in this war the French should really just show a little bit of gratitude and STFU. Kind of like you shouldn't jump all over your parents in times they screw up because overall they've helped you more than anyone in the world. That's really what the french are. Spoiled whiny petulant 5 year olds.

But you're right though. The media's trying to spin this... Not like there aren't enough factual reasons to dislike the french or anything

First, and I'm surprised no one has picked this up...this is the wrong forum!!!

Second...if memory serves, the United States was not very powerful in comparison to...say...the Russians...or the English...or even the French during the 40s. Indeed, for the vast majority of history, the United States was not considered much of a political player at all. The only reason we emerged as well as we did was because the war was fought in Europe and not on American soil. Honestly, I wholeheartedly believe the Russians were mostly responsible for defeating the axis...not the United States. We're kinda like the kid who joins the team right at the end and claims he won the ball game.

Third...we didn't really do much after the Revolutionary War for France. We didn't do a whole lot about that whole lot to help out the French in the war of 1812. In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny. So it seems hardly right to claim the French are so terrible when they are merely doing the same as the United States has done all throughout its history.

Fact is, times change, people change. The problem here is that Americans are so willing and eager to snap up whatever point of view is thrown at them by the media, they lose sight of the whole picture. I have my own reasons for supporting and opposing the war. I have my opinions on the good and the bad things in this country. As I gain information, things may change...but I can rest knowing I came to those conclusions. What this site has done is repackaged propaganda and drivel force fed to the general public and adopted a wholly uneducated and exceedingly biased perspective on the matter. George Bush had nothing to do with WW2, why should it come to play now? People had radically different values and the social climate of nearly every nation on earth has changed since the 40s, yet we dredge it up, slap on a slanted 90s view of it and suddenly it becomes relevant? HAHA. That is absurd.

Check your history. Before the US go involved in Europe, we were supplying them (England and Russia) with supplies. We were in it longer than just the fighting. Also the U.S. was a major world power from the time of WW1.

The point of the flash movie thou(which this thread is about) is that the French are hipocritical. They don't think we should go in and do anything about a sadistic, tyrannical, DICTATOR that is willing to kill his own people, people in neighboring countries(iran war, Kuwait, and pay the families of suicide bombers in Isreal). Maybe part of the reason is america and England, and Australia are a few of the only countries that can see that Saddam unchecked would be the next Hitler, and if a few people die now to stop him from killing millions more, i think it's worth it.

Why did america send it's sons to die for europe when hitler could have never successfully invaded the US?

Check your history too. The US wasn't GIVING supplies to Britain and Russia, they were SELLING supplies to them. They sat back and made a buck off the war while Brits and Russians (and French) were dying.

Hitler might not have been able to successfully invade the US THEN, but if they had been able to take Britain, then Europe (and probably a good deal of Russia) would have been under German control. Think the Cold War was bad with Stalin? Imagine what it would have been like with Hitler. Maybe the US wouldn't be speaking German today, but there might not even be a US at all.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'm convinced some of you people don't read any history at all.

The primary reason the Soviets lost so many men in WWII was because they had little regard for the lives of their troops. The Soviets willingly threw their soldiers into meat grinder operations that many times served little or no strategic purpose.


Personally, I've never had a high opinion of the French. My grandfather would tell us stories of what a bunch of sorry, arrogant, ingrateful b@astards the French were. Of course he also tainted my view of the Red Cross as well but that's another thread entirely. The French have a history of misplaced arrogance, in my opinion they are living on the legacy of Charles Martel (last good French/Gaul commander) and have zero basis to be as arrogant as they are.

On that note, I'm bowing out of this thread.

With respect, some would say the same about America and Britain. It just depends on what side of the fence you sit on. Afterall, the Brits were world famous for their aloof behaviour and arrogance when they were an undisputed superpower.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Judgement

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Your comparison is not the one you should be looking at.

What you should be looking at is it was expected of the U.S. to help France during WWII when it was under control of a dictator, Hitler.

Now that the U.S. is trying to do the same for Iraq, its not ok with France because France has monetary gain associated with keeping Saddam in power. France does not simply not support us, they have publicly denounced US actions.... it was these same kind of US actions that got them their freedom in the first place.

The US was not expected to help France at all. The US didn't join the war until they were attacked, more than 2 years after Britain, Canada, Russia, etc... were already fighting.

Your comparison is further flawed. If Iraq had attacked the USA, taken over, and installed Saddam as dictator, and the USA had asked France for help, and France refused, THEN you might have a point.

That brings up an interesting thought... Let's say China, for argmuments sake, had invaded US soil and taken over much of the country. What would you say if France had not sent troops to help for over 2 years, and then only helped out when North Korea, had attacked them?

 

[heartsurgeon]

I wholeheartedly believe the Russians were mostly responsible for defeating the axis...not the United States

whaaaa???????
i don't even think the russians believe this.

the russians defeated the japanese?
the russian liberated north africa, italy, france, the rest of "old europe"?
which beach did the russians land on in the Normandy invasion?

the russians (stalin) made a deal with hitler, and then had to spend most of the war
running the germans out of russia after they reneged on their secret agreement. a ton of russians
died liberating russia, not europe.

oh by the way, they didn't exactly liberate europe did they?
i suppose the Marshall Plan for rebuilding europe was carried out by the russians as well.

Elf Aquitane (giant frenchy oil conglomerate) - HAD billions in dealings with saddam's oil..curiously enough they are currently being investigated for
an illegal $50,000,000.00 contribution to chirac's most recent election bid..

chirac is just another bill clintoon..all policy decisions (foreign and domestic) are determined by contributions to his political party.
this is painfully obvious. also the frenchies seriously want to control the european union (and by the way, the germans and the english as well), in order
to fulfil napoleon's original ambitions. (you may think i'm kidding, but i'm not)

the truely ungrateful and insulting behaviour of the frence is in the way the opposed the u.s. in the u.n.
they first agree to 1441 - which is fairly self-evident in what it says...then by use of clintonion parsing of the meaning
(meaning of the word "is", please define the legal meaning of "alone", "i did not have sexual relations...") of 1441,
they not only disagree with the U.S. (which is fine in my opinion), but they threaten to veto any new resolutions..essentially giving saddam
a green lihjt to do whatever he wants.

the french didn't just disagree with the U.S..
they aided and abetted saddam's regime.
their actions cost human lives.

i was moved to tears by the link...

 

[Wolverine27]

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
Why did France actively try to stop us from invading Iraq?

Why did France actively try to stop NATO from defending Turkey?

I could care less if they are with us or not, but to publically undermine the US is another thing.

I am tempted on grabbing my shotgun and taking over France myself!!!

And you most definitely could...all by yourself!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: wizardLRU

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Thank you for that daily infusion of jingoism and propaganda.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon


the french didn't just disagree with the U.S..
they aided and abetted saddam's regime.
their actions cost human lives.

i was moved to tears by the link...

I have a picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam in '81, all smiles he is. Not so black and white, is it?

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: bonk102

good job dr.death

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: compudog

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I don't get you guys at all. What "propaganda?" It's all true! Or do you not believe the history books?

Grrrr...

The French have been ungrateful to the USA for saving their butts for MANY years now. This latest conflict with Ir@q is just the next in a looong string of ungratefulness.

I'm out.

By this logic, if I save your life, you are forever obligated to support me in a series of tasks that you may find objectionable.

Won't help me rob a bank? You ungrateful pig! I saved your live 50 years ago!
Won't help me bomb abortion clinics? You ungrateful pig! I saved your live 50 years ago!
(to be even) Won't help me perform abortions? You ungrateful pig! I saved your live 50 years ago!

Never mind that you may be opposed to any of those things.

It amazes me the number of people on this board who just can't accept that some people have a different opinion than their own.