Think about this..... You Pigs

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Exactly, just because the French won't step in and support us, which obviously isn't neccesary at all, now the media and our government has been trying to get us turn against France for it. The US has created an "Us versus Them" mentality, along with this attitude is also the one of "with us or against us." Everything is not black and white.

You've got to be kidding. Who the hell asked the french to support us? I (and 99% of Americans in favor of the war I'd imagine) would be happy if the french had just stayed the hell out of things without waving their veto power all over the place like it made them important or something.

In reality the nobody ever expects support from the french for good reason. One of the greatest military leaders in our countries history, General Patton, said "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me". Geee, yah. Over the course of history we've really looked to the french for support

Oh, and a recent poll showed that fully a third of the french that were polled hoped that the U.S. lost the war. I don't care how biased that pole was... there's no excuse for those numbers coming from people who would without a doubt be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the bravery and strength of America.

Even if we are wrong in this war the French should really just show a little bit of gratitude and STFU. Kind of like you shouldn't jump all over your parents in times they screw up because overall they've helped you more than anyone in the world. That's really what the french are. Spoiled whiny petulant 5 year olds.

But you're right though. The media's trying to spin this... Not like there aren't enough factual reasons to dislike the french or anything

lol

 

[slycat]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: halik
on the side note,
americans didnt go to europe to liberate france... they were in war with the axis (after perl harbor). GErmany was part of the axis and US was there to defeat the axis

Yup, that's what I said a couple posts up . Well put.

regardless...we did save their asses in the process...they should be the ones storming Normandy beach.
and fine they want no part of Iraq war, thats fine, but u don't have to put down the US with all kinds
of crap while at it...a simple "No we won't be a part of it" would have sufficed. And worse, now they say
their companies/contractors SHOULD be included in the rebuilding and share the "wealth" so they can
make money off this supposed 'debacle' that they will not be part of?

Give me a break. So yeah, screw them...

 

[SilverThief]

The French can go straight to Grey Poupon Hell

 

[yoda291]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Exactly, just because the French won't step in and support us, which obviously isn't neccesary at all, now the media and our government has been trying to get us turn against France for it. The US has created an "Us versus Them" mentality, along with this attitude is also the one of "with us or against us." Everything is not black and white.

You've got to be kidding. Who the hell asked the french to support us? I (and 99% of Americans in favor of the war I'd imagine) would be happy if the french had just stayed the hell out of things without waving their veto power all over the place like it made them important or something.

In reality the nobody ever expects support from the french for good reason. One of the greatest military leaders in our countries history, General Patton, said "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me". Geee, yah. Over the course of history we've really looked to the french for support

Oh, and a recent poll showed that fully a third of the french that were polled hoped that the U.S. lost the war. I don't care how biased that pole was... there's no excuse for those numbers coming from people who would without a doubt be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the bravery and strength of America.

Even if we are wrong in this war the French should really just show a little bit of gratitude and STFU. Kind of like you shouldn't jump all over your parents in times they screw up because overall they've helped you more than anyone in the world. That's really what the french are. Spoiled whiny petulant 5 year olds.

But you're right though. The media's trying to spin this... Not like there aren't enough factual reasons to dislike the french or anything

First, and I'm surprised no one has picked this up...this is the wrong forum!!!

Second...if memory serves, the United States was not very powerful in comparison to...say...the Russians...or the English...or even the French during the 40s. Indeed, for the vast majority of history, the United States was not considered much of a political player at all. The only reason we emerged as well as we did was because the war was fought in Europe and not on American soil. Honestly, I wholeheartedly believe the Russians were mostly responsible for defeating the axis...not the United States. We're kinda like the kid who joins the team right at the end and claims he won the ball game.

Third...we didn't really do much after the Revolutionary War for France. We didn't do a whole lot about that whole lot to help out the French in the war of 1812. In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny. So it seems hardly right to claim the French are so terrible when they are merely doing the same as the United States has done all throughout its history.

Fact is, times change, people change. The problem here is that Americans are so willing and eager to snap up whatever point of view is thrown at them by the media, they lose sight of the whole picture. I have my own reasons for supporting and opposing the war. I have my opinions on the good and the bad things in this country. As I gain information, things may change...but I can rest knowing I came to those conclusions. What this site has done is repackaged propaganda and drivel force fed to the general public and adopted a wholly uneducated and exceedingly biased perspective on the matter. George Bush had nothing to do with WW2, why should it come to play now? People had radically different values and the social climate of nearly every nation on earth has changed since the 40s, yet we dredge it up, slap on a slanted 90s view of it and suddenly it becomes relevant? HAHA. That is absurd.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: ElFenix
so are you related to the oklahoma football player turned wrestler named dr death or is it merely a coincidence?

David Schultz?

no, steve williams.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: jumpr
What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

Exactly, just because the French won't step in and support us, which obviously isn't neccesary at all, now the media and our government has been trying to get us turn against France for it. The US has created an "Us versus Them" mentality, along with this attitude is also the one of "with us or against us." Everything is not black and white.

You've got to be kidding. Who the hell asked the french to support us? I (and 99% of Americans in favor of the war I'd imagine) would be happy if the french had just stayed the hell out of things without waving their veto power all over the place like it made them important or something.

In reality the nobody ever expects support from the french for good reason. One of the greatest military leaders in our countries history, General Patton, said "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me". Geee, yah. Over the course of history we've really looked to the french for support

Oh, and a recent poll showed that fully a third of the french that were polled hoped that the U.S. lost the war. I don't care how biased that pole was... there's no excuse for those numbers coming from people who would without a doubt be speaking German right now if it wasn't for the bravery and strength of America.

Even if we are wrong in this war the French should really just show a little bit of gratitude and STFU. Kind of like you shouldn't jump all over your parents in times they screw up because overall they've helped you more than anyone in the world. That's really what the french are. Spoiled whiny petulant 5 year olds.

But you're right though. The media's trying to spin this... Not like there aren't enough factual reasons to dislike the french or anything

First, and I'm surprised no one has picked this up...this is the wrong forum!!!

Second...if memory serves, the United States was not very powerful in comparison to...say...the Russians...or the English...or even the French during the 40s. Indeed, for the vast majority of history, the United States was not considered much of a political player at all. The only reason we emerged as well as we did was because the war was fought in Europe and not on American soil. Honestly, I wholeheartedly believe the Russians were mostly responsible for defeating the axis...not the United States. We're kinda like the kid who joins the team right at the end and claims he won the ball game.

Third...we didn't really do much after the Revolutionary War for France. We didn't do a whole lot about that whole lot to help out the French in the war of 1812. In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny. So it seems hardly right to claim the French are so terrible when they are merely doing the same as the United States has done all throughout its history.

Fact is, times change, people change. The problem here is that Americans are so willing and eager to snap up whatever point of view is thrown at them by the media, they lose sight of the whole picture. I have my own reasons for supporting and opposing the war. I have my opinions on the good and the bad things in this country. As I gain information, things may change...but I can rest knowing I came to those conclusions. What this site has done is repackaged propaganda and drivel force fed to the general public and adopted a wholly uneducated and exceedingly biased perspective on the matter. George Bush had nothing to do with WW2, why should it come to play now? People had radically different values and the social climate of nearly every nation on earth has changed since the 40s, yet we dredge it up, slap on a slanted 90s view of it and suddenly it becomes relevant? HAHA. That is absurd.

Check your history. Before the US go involved in Europe, we were supplying them (England and Russia) with supplies. We were in it longer than just the fighting. Also the U.S. was a major world power from the time of WW1.

The point of the flash movie thou(which this thread is about) is that the French are hipocritical. They don't think we should go in and do anything about a sadistic, tyrannical, DICTATOR that is willing to kill his own people, people in neighboring countries(iran war, Kuwait, and pay the families of suicide bombers in Isreal). Maybe part of the reason is america and England, and Australia are a few of the only countries that can see that Saddam unchecked would be the next Hitler, and if a few people die now to stop him from killing millions more, i think it's worth it.

Why did america send it's sons to die for europe when hitler could have never successfully invaded the US?

 

[jlee]

Honestly, I wholeheartedly believe the Russians were mostly responsible for defeating the axis...not the United States. We're kinda like the kid who joins the team right at the end and claims he won the ball game.

However, we didn't join right at the end..without the United States' bombings, invasion, and military aid to Russia, do you seriously think the Russians would've won?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: halik
on the side note,
americans didnt go to europe to liberate france... they were in war with the axis (after perl harbor). GErmany was part of the axis and US was there to defeat the axis

Yup, that's what I said a couple posts up . Well put.

regardless...we did save their asses in the process...they should be the ones storming Normandy beach.
and fine they want no part of Iraq war, thats fine, but u don't have to put down the US with all kinds
of crap while at it...a simple "No we won't be a part of it" would have sufficed. And worse, now they say
their companies/contractors SHOULD be included in the rebuilding and share the "wealth" so they can
make money off this supposed 'debacle' that they will not be part of?

Give me a break. So yeah, screw them...

Well the Russians not only suffered far greater casualties than we did in WWII, they also killed many more Germans by most accounts. According to the "logic" expressed by the founder of this thread, we should therefore do as the Russians wish and not have entered this war in the first place.

Take-home lesson: WWII =/= Gulf War II.

 

[MacGaven]

Suck it France!

 

[Cyberian]

Second...if memory serves, the United States was not very powerful in comparison to...say...the Russians...or the English...or even the French during the 40s.

WHAT??

 

[GasX]

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Second...if memory serves, the United States was not very powerful in comparison to...say...the Russians...or the English...or even the French during the 40s.

WHAT??

We all know Britian's Royal Air Force was immensly stronger than the United States'..don't we?

Um...right.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Aquaman
Didn't the Frech help the USA in the Revolutionary War?

Cheers,
Aquaman

Sort of. They helped us only to spite Britain and they really only came into the fray after it became evident that Britain was tiring of the war. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It would be hypocritical of me to praise America for looking out for its own interests and then condemn the French for doing the same.

ZV

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: halik
on the side note,
americans didnt go to europe to liberate france... they were in war with the axis (after perl harbor). GErmany was part of the axis and US was there to defeat the axis

Yup, that's what I said a couple posts up . Well put.

regardless...we did save their asses in the process...they should be the ones storming Normandy beach.
and fine they want no part of Iraq war, thats fine, but u don't have to put down the US with all kinds
of crap while at it...a simple "No we won't be a part of it" would have sufficed. And worse, now they say
their companies/contractors SHOULD be included in the rebuilding and share the "wealth" so they can
make money off this supposed 'debacle' that they will not be part of?

Give me a break. So yeah, screw them...

Well the Russians not only suffered far greater casualties than we did in WWII, they also killed many more Germans by most accounts. According to the "logic" expressed by the founder of this thread, we should therefore do as the Russians wish and not have entered this war in the first place.

Take-home lesson: WWII =/= Gulf War II.

preverbial b!itchslap...

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: yoda291 In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny.

As soon as you tell me how fighting in places like bosnia, vietnam, etc are in the U.S.'s "self-interest and manifest destiny" I'll listen. Until then that's a horrible argument.

 

[Wolverine27]

Screw the Frenchies.

 

[xuanman]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: yoda291 In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny.

As soon as you tell me how fighting in places like bosnia, vietnam, etc are in the U.S.'s "self-interest and manifest destiny" I'll listen. Until then that's a horrible argument.

I went to a talk given by Margaret Thatcher, who opined that the Vietnam War was indeed a victory for the United States b/c it demonstrated to Communist states that the US would actively challenge the spread of Communism. In essence, it made the USSR think long and hard about spreading Communism elsewhere...to Japan...or Taiwan...or S. Korea. It preserved U.S. influence in Asia. If that's not in the U.S.'s self-interest, I'm not sure what is.

 

[Balthazar]

Oh for crying out loud, so now everytime somebody disagrees with us (or we with them) we gotta go counting up tallies from 50 years ago. So they can't disagree with us.

I mean I have no love lost for the French on thie issue but for crying out loud, how many Frenchmen died lending us a head during the rev. war?

 

[slycat]

LOL...
guys check out all the Dragon avatars in this thread...
they are all one-liners with onetrack minds....

i thought that was pretty funny...they look like those guys on the sidelines throwing
a cough or a boo amidst a fight.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Thank you for that daily infusion of jingoism and propaganda.

And you, for the love of Pete, it stopped being cool to use the term "jingoism" at LEAST a week and a half ago, can you please find a more current buzzword to slap on everything?

 

[Wolverine27]

Originally posted by: slycat
LOL...
guys check out all the Dragon avatars in this thread...
they are all one-liners with onetrack minds....

i thought that was pretty funny...they look like those guys on the sidelines throwing
a cough or a boo amidst a fight.

BOO!!!!!!!


PS Screw the Frenchies!

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Thank you for that daily infusion of jingoism and propaganda.

And you, for the love of Pete, it stopped being cool to use the term "jingoism" at LEAST a week and a half ago, can you please find a more current buzzword to slap on everything?

I'm sorry, should I make up a new word to summarize the same old bullsh!t?

 

[Zuph]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: yoda291 In fact, historically speaking, you could say the US doesn't really act unless it serves it's own self-interest and manifest destiny.

As soon as you tell me how fighting in places like bosnia, vietnam, etc are in the U.S.'s "self-interest and manifest destiny" I'll listen. Until then that's a horrible argument.

Korea, Vietnam, etc. were all to counter the spread of comunism. Even though some may say we failed, we showed the Soviets that we would not sit idly by while they built an empire. Many of the conflicts since then can be interpreted as to help the US control valuable resources, and install easy to control leaders in many nations (we helped greatly Sadaam Hussein. Also, Opperation Just Cause anyone?).

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: compudog

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I don't get you guys at all. What "propaganda?" It's all true! Or do you not believe the history books?

Grrrr...

The French have been ungrateful to the USA for saving their butts for MANY years now. This latest conflict with Ir@q is just the next in a looong string of ungratefulness.

I'm out.

Something is wrong when you expect other countries to support you out of gratitude.

 

[brxndxn]

What do American military cemeteries in France have to do with them being supportive of our conflict in Iraq?

The two seem unrelated to me. If they choose not to support the war, it's their decision. Dead American soldiers wouldn't have any bearing on the decision, I'd think.

With France's current attitude, you might as well have the US stay out of WW2.