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CVSiN

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: Xanis
CVSin... thanks, I've been considering the Navy as well, especially now because of what you told me about the IT field.

Make sure that's what you want. Since you don't have a spouse it won't be as bad. Deployments can be long. And working on a ship is hard work. 12 hours on/12 off. No days off until port. AF is more like a regular job.

yes on ship he is right.. 12 on 12 off..
its really not that bad though..
on ship there isnt much else to do except watch movies play cards or video games..
but also keep in mind that IT dept would not be thatb strenuous for 12 hours...
hell we pull that half the time here...

and Air conditioning far away from any bullets or bombs being fired is a good things..

When I was in only brown shoes worked 12s, black shoes worked 8 hour watches I think. 12 on 12 off sounds tough until you realize there isn't a whole lot else to do while out at sea.

I was a blackshoe (aviation puke F/A-18Cs on carriers) and we definatly worked 12s.

I think I used dated terminology. Aviation types (brown shoes) are the ones that worked 12's, the shipboard ratings (black shoes bosun, yeoman, etc) worked 8's. I was AX (rating defunct now) on S-3A's. I thought that was what the "bells" were for, they indicated the watch periods for the ship's crew. Been a long time ago so I am probably wrong.

heh I worked on S-3Bs with VS-27 at cecil as well.. yah Im familiar with AXs
I was an AT2
I always thought the brown shoes term was boat peeps.. and we were the blacks casue we all wore flight deck boots all the time
but anyway doesnt matter LOL..
i could always tell who was a boat person and who was airwing just by who was pale and who had a tan LOL
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: Xanis
CVSin... thanks, I've been considering the Navy as well, especially now because of what you told me about the IT field.

Make sure that's what you want. Since you don't have a spouse it won't be as bad. Deployments can be long. And working on a ship is hard work. 12 hours on/12 off. No days off until port. AF is more like a regular job.

yes on ship he is right.. 12 on 12 off..
its really not that bad though..
on ship there isnt much else to do except watch movies play cards or video games..
but also keep in mind that IT dept would not be thatb strenuous for 12 hours...
hell we pull that half the time here...

and Air conditioning far away from any bullets or bombs being fired is a good things..

When I was in only brown shoes worked 12s, black shoes worked 8 hour watches I think. 12 on 12 off sounds tough until you realize there isn't a whole lot else to do while out at sea.

I was a blackshoe (aviation puke F/A-18Cs on carriers) and we definatly worked 12s.

I think I used dated terminology. Aviation types (brown shoes) are the ones that worked 12's, the shipboard ratings (black shoes bosun, yeoman, etc) worked 8's. I was AX (rating defunct now) on S-3A's. I thought that was what the "bells" were for, they indicated the watch periods for the ship's crew. Been a long time ago so I am probably wrong.

heh I worked on S-3Bs with VS-27 at cecil as well.. yah Im familiar with AXs
I was an AT2
I always thought the brown shoes term was boat peeps.. and we were the blacks casue we all wore flight deck boots all the time
but anyway doesnt matter LOL..
i could always tell who was a boat person and who was airwing just by who was pale and who had a tan LOL

I was at Cecil as well, VS-31. I did TAD with the training squadron there when I first reported for duty and they had S-2Gs lol. You might want to have a look at this page. Ghost base Cecil Field
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: broon
AF Experience:

1. What is the minimum required service stint for enlisted men? It is 3 years, correct?

4 years

2. What kind of training and education does the military offer in the IT field?

Your actual job in the military will give you better training

3. What are the chances that I would get deployed to a war zone?

Slim Unless you were a AF Security grunt like me and got sent to operation Just Cause, Operation Desert Storm/Shield and i weasled my way out of a 6 month tour in Bosnia

4. Would it be better, for my purposes, to join on active duty or the reserves?

Depends on what you want. Active if you want all the benefits.

5. How much freedom does military life allow? (I'm guessing not much?)

It's not alot different. Drug tests...some on call maybe.

6. What is the average base pay for an enlisted soldier in the Army?

I don't know what it is now but it was decent when I got out in 1998

7. To prove my skills with computers or IT, would I need to take ASVAB?

Yes

8. Assuming I got shipped overseas, what is an average tour of duty?

Depends on the assignment. Remotes are usually one year. All others typically run about three years

 

CVSiN

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Jul 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: Xanis
CVSin... thanks, I've been considering the Navy as well, especially now because of what you told me about the IT field.

Make sure that's what you want. Since you don't have a spouse it won't be as bad. Deployments can be long. And working on a ship is hard work. 12 hours on/12 off. No days off until port. AF is more like a regular job.

yes on ship he is right.. 12 on 12 off..
its really not that bad though..
on ship there isnt much else to do except watch movies play cards or video games..
but also keep in mind that IT dept would not be thatb strenuous for 12 hours...
hell we pull that half the time here...

and Air conditioning far away from any bullets or bombs being fired is a good things..

When I was in only brown shoes worked 12s, black shoes worked 8 hour watches I think. 12 on 12 off sounds tough until you realize there isn't a whole lot else to do while out at sea.

I was a blackshoe (aviation puke F/A-18Cs on carriers) and we definatly worked 12s.

I think I used dated terminology. Aviation types (brown shoes) are the ones that worked 12's, the shipboard ratings (black shoes bosun, yeoman, etc) worked 8's. I was AX (rating defunct now) on S-3A's. I thought that was what the "bells" were for, they indicated the watch periods for the ship's crew. Been a long time ago so I am probably wrong.

heh I worked on S-3Bs with VS-27 at cecil as well.. yah Im familiar with AXs
I was an AT2
I always thought the brown shoes term was boat peeps.. and we were the blacks casue we all wore flight deck boots all the time
but anyway doesnt matter LOL..
i could always tell who was a boat person and who was airwing just by who was pale and who had a tan LOL

I was at Cecil as well, VS-31. I did TAD with the training squadron there when I first reported for duty and they had S-2Gs lol. You might want to have a look at this page. Ghost base Cecil Field


yah i have that site in my faves.. always makes me feel funny..spent 10 years there... seems just f00ked up without it beign there anymore..
really does feel kinda haunted in a way...

 

aries2k1

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Originally posted by: Xanis

1. What is the minimum required service stint for enlisted men? It is 3 years, correct?

2. What kind of training and education does the military offer in the IT field?

3. What are the chances that I would get deployed to a war zone?

4. Would it be better, for my purposes, to join on active duty or the reserves?

5. How much freedom does military life allow? (I'm guessing not much?)

6. What is the average base pay for an enlisted soldier in the Army?

7. To prove my skills with computers or IT, would I need to take ASVAB?

8. Assuming I got shipped overseas, what is an average tour of duty?

my experience is from an active army point of view so obviously other people will differ...

1...minimum service depends on ur MOS (military occupation specialty)..if u signed up as a linguist which takes about a year to train you, then you would have to sign up for 5 years. as for me, im an intel analyst and signed on for 4 years.

2...IT is very important in the intelligence field, we got whole sections dedicated just for that...yea they train you after basic training but you dont really get hands on stuff until u graduate.

3...during basic and ait, that's all the drill sergeants would say, u ****** are goin to the sandbox 2 weeks after u graduate, etc, etc...yea some of us went but not all of us...i have yet to go.

4...if u want to go to school after ur enlistment then go active, the gi bill and benefits help a lot..

5...freedom...yea we have it but it is restricted in some way. some places are forbidden to go due to fights between soldiers and foreigners (im stationed in germany)...but theres still a lot to do. about once a month we got to pull 24 hour cq...sitting at a desk for 24 hrs...it sucks but at least we get the next day off...having laptops and xboxes makes the time go faster also.

6...average base pay...http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/bl06enlbasepay.htm

being married stationed overseas gives me an extra 700 for cola (cost of living) and bah (food).

7...everyone needs to take the asvab to see what jobs theyre able to get

8...in germany, single soldiers get a 2 year tour, married get a 3...
 

Joony

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I'm fairly interested in joining the military for some IT experience. I am currently in college as a freshman and going for a Management of Info. Systems in the Business Administration program. My grades are fairly decent, >3.0.

Traveling around in a ship or going to other countries sound fun. And it might also pay off my college loans? I'll have about 20K to pay off after graduating.

What should I do?
 

gentobu

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1. What is the minimum required service stint for enlisted men? It is 3 years, correct?
I'm not sure if its been mentioned yet, but in the Army (I'm not sure of the other services) your minimum enlistment is 8 years. No matter what enlistment option you choose, you will serve a total of 8 years. For example; if you chose a three year enlistment, you will serve three years actively then another five years in the Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR). In the IRR you will basically be a civilian, but you are eligible to be activated when the Army needs you. I just returned from a years tour in Iraq, and my unit had about 10 people from the IRR deployed with us. The chances of you getting called in are slim, but it does happen. When I arrived in Iraq a year ago, the unit we replaced had several people from the IRR, and the unit that replaced us this year had some as well.

3. What are the chances that I would get deployed to a war zone?
I would say you have a good chance of going. I'm in the Hawaii National Guard and I went. We replaced the Washington National Guard, and the Georgia National Guard replaced us. Not to mention the base I was at was filled with National Guard and Reservists.

4. Would it be better, for my purposes, to join on active duty or the reserves?
If you are serious about being in the military go active , if you want to continue schooling join the reserves/national guard.

5. How much freedom does military life allow? (I'm guessing not much?)
In the national guard you're basically a civilian. You just have to stay in shape and not do drugs. When you go to your once a month drills things are pretty lax there as well.

7. To prove my skills with computers or IT, would I need to take ASVAB?
Yes

8. Assuming I got shipped overseas, what is an average tour of duty?
To Iraq its one year for the Army, and four to six months for the Air Force. Im guessing the marines do a year long tour as well.




 

FoBoT

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you won't get training if you go for the shortest enlistment. if you go in for just 2 or 3 years, you are going to be chipping paint/cleaning toilets, etc. or crawling through the mud in the army

to get any good training in the navy, you have to do a 4 year enlistment with a 2 year extension (if you make it through the training you have to sign the extension)

go Navy!
 

BillyBatson

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don't do it!!!!!!! i was in the air force, applied to get out early!!
if you join anything join the Air Force!!!!
but don't join anything!!!!!!
 

marvdmartian

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Well, there's certainly some interesting information in here, let me add to the confusion, and make this "clear as mud" for ya! :laugh:

1. What is the minimum required service stint for enlisted men? It is 3 years, correct?
Currently, the total commitment you have to make is 8 years. Like some folks have said, it's usually 4&4, but I've seen people do 6&2, and even saw one kid here at the USAF base I work at scam a 2&6 enlistment. We're still trying to figure out how he talked the air force into that one! When I came in, back before you were born, it was a 6 year total commitment, but I served 9.5 years, so didn't have any reserve time when I got out.

2. What kind of training and education does the military offer in the IT field? If you're looking for technical training (and especially since your next question is concerning deployment to war zones), I'd strongly suggest the navy or air force. Be aware, though, that their requirements are higher than those for the army or marine corps, at least as far as your capability for education are concerned. If you've done a halfway decent job at college, that shouldn't be a factor.

3. What are the chances that I would get deployed to a war zone? They're going to be pretty good, right now, for any branch of the service. That being said, being an IT puke, your chances of being deployed AND in immenent danger of being shot at or blown up are quite a bit lower than they would be for a ground pounder. If you're a navy IT puke, it's likely you're going to be on a deployed ship, which will be in the area of the war zones, but not in the heat of battle.

4. Would it be better, for my purposes, to join on active duty or the reserves? Your chances of getting the technology training, like IT, are better as an active duty person than they are for a reservist, USUALLY. Unfortunately, the times I've dealt with them, the recruiter for the reserves was a totally different person, in a totally different office, than the recruiter for the active duty side of the house. Talk to both, if necessary, and go with whoever (or whichever) can give you the best deal for YOU. Trust me, most branches of the military are on a constant search for "fresh meat", and will answer whatever questions you have for them, to the best of their ability.
THAT being said, here's a word of advice. Whichever direction you plan on going, get the stuff the recruiter is promising you in writing!!! Otherwise, when you get to basic training, and start whining about, "but my recruiter told me....", they're going to tell you that if it's not in black in white, in the contract that you voluntarily signed, then you might as well forget about it!! Just think of it as a recruiter's way of telling you they won't come in your mouth.......and we all know how often that promise is fulfilled, don't we?? :laugh:

5. How much freedom does military life allow? (I'm guessing not much?) Freedom of or for what? Do you mean how much like a 9 to 5 is military life? For the air force guys I work with, it's pretty much a regular job, unless they're deployed. That's pretty much what it was like for me, as a navy enlisted guy, unless we were out to sea/deployed. We stood duty days on board ship, usually 1 day on (where you're pretty much restricted to the ship for 24 hours) and 3 days off, with an 8 hour workday on your "off" days. Ashore we stood the same rotation, but could go home at night if we didn't have a watch to stand.
I personally never stood a 12on/12off duty, like some of these guys are talking about, but the electronics "twidgets" might. I was a snipe, down in engineering, running nuclear reactors for the navy, and the worst we saw was 6on/6off, and that only on our duty days.

6. What is the average base pay for an enlisted soldier in the Army? I really can't answer that for you, but enlisted guys make the same in any branch of the service, depending on what rank they are. I will tell you that normally, the guys in electronics (and other highly technical fields) do tend to make rank faster, and start out higher than the poor schmucks that are in the non-technical fields. I personally got out of basic training as an E-3, and made E-4 out of tech school, just 4 months after joining the navy. I worked with guys who were putting on E-6 after just 4 years, which is unheard of in any other branch of the military. I work now with a guy who's enlisted in the air force, and he's considered a "top runner". He just put on E-6 at ~10 years, which is pretty fast for the air force. The pay for the military isn't the greatest, but the training you'll get, plus the benefits you'll receive, more than make up for it.

7. To prove my skills with computers or IT, would I need to take ASVAB? The ASVAB test is a MUST, especially if you're wanting to get into a technical field. That being said, it's important to understand that the ASVAB does NOT test your knowledge. Rather, it's an aptitude test, and measures your skill at certain abilities, or ways of thinking. It helps the recruiters to know if you're more likely to make a better electronics person, or a better mechanic, or a better tank driver. It measures your ability to think, to reason, and to solve problems; moreso your ability to learn, instead of how much learning you already have. Score high in certain areas, and they're more likely to offer you what you want. Score high in EVERY area, and you can pretty much tell them "this is what I want", and they'll give it to you. That's what I did, and I wrote my own ticket, including not only the nuclear power training I received, but also the fact that I wanted to be a mechanical, versus an electronics person (they wanted me to do electronics, which I did NOT want to do for a career!!). If you're worried about your ability to do well on the exam, there are books published that will help you improve your score, and you can take the ASVAB test as many times as you want, to get the scores you want.

8. Assuming I got shipped overseas, what is an average tour of duty? Most of the deployments I see the air force guys I work with are ~6 months. I personally did three deployments of 7 months each (with the occasional port call for pussy and beer!! :laugh: ). I think the army & marine corps guys are pulling 1 year deployments. So that's really going to depend on the branch of service you go into.

As far as your parents are concerned, it's natural for your folks to freak out when hearing how their "baby" is thinking about joining the military. If it's really what you want to do, and you've thought it carefully out, then go for it. Don't let people talk you out of it, but be willing to sit down and have a rational talk about it, and listen to their concerns. Remember that knowledge is your best weapon, and having answers to their questions and concerns will get you further, plus it helps to show them that this isn't something you're doing off the cuff, without any forethought.
Know, too, that if motivation and disorganization are your only reasons for wanting to go in the military, then you're making a HUGE mistake! Yes, they can teach those skills to you. Yes, they can give you the time to grow up and decide what you want to do with your life (which seems to be your real problem right now). But if that's the only reasons you want to join, then I really feel that you'll dislike the entire time you're in, and really waste those years of your life. The military isn't just a job, it's a way of life, and some people just aren't made for it. Just ask ol' Billy Batson, above me here. He sounds as though he joined for the wrong reasons, and not only wasted his time, but everyone else's as well.
The navy was good to me, even though I didn't enjoy all the at sea time, all the time. But I did get to see some places that I would have never even considered, let alone traveled to, if I had stayed a civilian. I got to see some wonderful places, I got to meet and work with some great people, and I don't regret a single moment of my time in. I also got out before I hit my halfway point, because the politics of the military was getting so bad that I couldn't stand it (I'm old school, ya know?? :laugh: ). If you do join, do it for the right reasons, and make certain that you're doing it with your eyes wide open.

Good luck, young'n!
 
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