This is all so dissappointing...

[spittledip]

I have been waiting for a video card for about 3 months now. I held off on the 320 GTS as I wanted better price. Held off on the 2900 Pro as I wanted better cooling and more energy efficient and better price. Now finally found what I want in the 3870 b/c of cooling and MSRP. Of course now I am waiting another month to find the prices are still way over MSRP and getting really sick of the wait. It is all very frustrating as I am a bit tired of my x800 vanilla.. not that I don't appreciate it, but I have been wanting a better card for a while, but the retailers are screwing us.. Or if there is a decent deal on the card I want it is gone before you know it. I can deal with being frustrated more than I can with being screwed, so I am not the type that will buy when it is way overpriced. Anyone else feel like this? isgust;:|

 

[Pacfanweb]

How are the retailers screwing anyone? MSRP means nothing. The people who are paying the higher prices are the ones screwing you, if anyone is. But that's just a perception...if people are paying over the MSRP, then the MSRP is too low. It's that simple.

 

[BladeVenom]

No. This happens every time a popular video card comes out. Actually they seemed to have more on hand and took longer to sell out than usual. The 3850 is still readily available at a decent price.

 

[JustaGeek]

You've considered a ~$300 GTS - too expensive.

Then 2900PRO - too expensive at $169.99


What's wrong with 3870 at 244.99?

How low do you want it to go...?

There is no such thing as MSRP. If you really want it, you'll pay 20 - 30 bucks more.

 

[Syntax Error]

If it's too highly priced for you, then that's just a shame that you didn't get the cards at launch day?

Demand is high. Supply is low. Result? Prices are high. Welcome to market forces, my friend!

Besides, I think if a card is around $10-20 over MSRP (I see some 8800GTs at around $269 at Newegg, $20 above MSRP of $220~250), then it's not so bad. It's when cards are readily available at $300-320 when they were much cheaper at launch is when there's a problem and you simply shouldn't buy.

8800GT is slowly coming back, albeit, not as low as they were at launch. Shame.

 

[spittledip]

I made 2 mistakes: The 2900 pro was not the card I was thinking of. There was anther card that was better than the pro that was very limited release. That one was too expensive. The other mistake I made was thinking that the MSRP for the 3870 was 200. I forgot it was 219. Truth is, i would be ok paying 219 for it... but no more than that. I really don't like paying more than 200 for it anyway as it is just a luxury item and a very frivolous purchase. Also, i will only get Visiontek b/c of the warranty. I would consider the 256MB 8800GT if it wasn't for the single slot cooling.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: spittledip
I have been waiting for a video card for about 3 months now. I held off on the 320 GTS as I wanted better price. Held off on the 2900 Pro as I wanted better cooling and more energy efficient and better price. Now finally found what I want in the 3870 b/c of cooling and MSRP. Of course now I am waiting another month to find the prices are still way over MSRP and getting really sick of the wait. It is all very frustrating as I am a bit tired of my x800 vanilla.. not that I don't appreciate it, but I have been wanting a better card for a while, but the retailers are screwing us.. Or if there is a decent deal on the card I want it is gone before you know it. I can deal with being frustrated more than I can with being screwed, so I am not the type that will buy when it is way overpriced. Anyone else feel like this? isgust;:|

i see you can deal with it

just hang on ... and keep searching Hot Deals ... they are not making less cards ... it is not a situation like the Wii

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
How are the retailers screwing anyone? MSRP means nothing. The people who are paying the higher prices are the ones screwing you, if anyone is. But that's just a perception...if people are paying over the MSRP, then the MSRP is too low. It's that simple.

I disagree with that notion. They charge just a bit less than the 8800GT as the GT is a bit better. However, if the gt was 350 and the 3870 was 300, people would still buy them up. There is no way that those cards are worth that much. They are only slightly better than the last gen GTS cards (well, last gen in comparison to 3870, current gen for 8800GT)

You are right in saying that it is the people's fault: people are very loose with their money in our culture, and the retailers take advantage of that. The MSRP would mean more if people were more responsible with their money. This is why half the country has massive credit card debt.. or is it more than half?

EDIT: I am not saying that you all are irresponsible with your money, i am just saying that i can't afford to be and many others can't either. plus i am not the only one spending my money (wife )

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[Farmer]

I too was hoping that the prices would drop to around MSRP. It may be the retailers are simply price gouging.

spittledip:

I think making generalizing statements like, it doesn't matter what they charge, everyone will still buy it, is not a good idea. The fact is, if both nVidia and AMD didn't decide to aim for low MSRPs this time around, and announced ~$300 prices for the GTs and 3870s, everyone would be happy right now, seeing as how the market price would match the claimed price. I just think many people are not buying because they were given the expectation of lower prices, which are simply not being met right now on the higher end. I don't know enough to do the math, but they probably do, and did, and figured they'd earn more if they priced it this way.

$170 for a video card that performs as well as the HD3850 is unheard of. That thing is nearly twice as fast as my X1950XT, which I paid $200 for only 10 months ago. Anyway you look at it, the video card pricing structure shifted downward with this new batch of cards: I haven't seen top-end cards go for $250 since when the first Geforce came out (at that time, I was thinking, $200 for a video card? Are you crazy?!)

 

[jcenters]

After about a month of hunting, I finally managed to snag an XFX for $238, which is well within MSRP. Just hang in there and keep at it.

BTW, don't blame Nvidia, AMD, or even the etailers. Like others have said, the reason these cards are so damned overpriced is because idiots are lining up to overpay. Let them. Meanwhile those of us with more common sense can wait it out while they shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[spittledip]

accidentally hit the reply button...

I guess that about covers it

 

[Puffnstuff]

It doesn't get much cheaper than this at the moment. http://www.clubit.com/product_...&CMP=EMC-LMHS122007%0A You won't find any of the new gts cards at this price point anyplace else.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
It doesn't get much cheaper than this at the moment. http://www.clubit.com/product_...&CMP=EMC-LMHS122007%0A You won't find any of the new gts cards at this price point anyplace else.

sorry too rich for my blood.. nice card though..

 

[Denithor]

Have you considered the 512MB 3850 with the dual slot cooler?

Newegg

Ignore the Sapphire. The rest have dual slot (or at least upgraded) coolers and most also feature nice factory overclocks. There are two HIS models in stock (as of this moment) that are core clocked 720MHz/735MHz for $225/$235 respectively.

The GeCube at 700MHz for $215 is also good looking, should be in stock sometime today.

 

[osage]

" The GeCube at 700MHz for $215 is also good looking, should be in stock sometime today. "

yesterday BestBuy had the Visiontech HD3870 for $214.99 with free shipping.

IMO $200. for a 3850 is too much. I'll wait a bit longer for a 3870 or a 8800GT at what I consider a fair price.

 

[JustaGeek]

I got my BFG 8800GT for ~$208 + tax = ~$228, with discount and a 12% off coupon at Best Buy.

If you are pro-active about it, there are deals out there to be made.

These sites might help:

http://www.slickdeals.net/

http://www.fatwallet.com/c/18/

Good luck!

 

[KeepItRed]

nm

 

[Scooby Doo]

By the time you see those deals, their already dead. :-(

 

[richwenzel]

There is no price gouging going on. Nvidia/ATI misunderstood the market for their goods and misaligned their MSRPS. Imagine the GT was MSRP at $450...seems aboutright since it is better than the 640mb gts. If it was then selling at $300, you would think it was deep discounted.

If the card sucked and couldnt compete with a 8600, and it had a $250 msrp, they wouldnt sell it at 250, they would sell it at 150 or whatever a 8600gt goes for.

Price gouging is a very specific term that a lot of people completely misuse. I will give you an example of price gouging, a tornado hits a large city, people need medical supplies/water etc. Some people from a nearby city that was unaffected and in no danger comes to that town and sells these products 10x what they normally charge. That is price gouging.

This is just basic economics. The demand at $250 is higher than supply.

Rich

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: richwenzel
There is no price gouging going on. Nvidia/ATI misunderstood the market for their goods and misaligned their MSRPS. Imagine the GT was MSRP at $450...seems aboutright since it is better than the 640mb gts. If it was then selling at $300, you would think it was deep discounted.

If the card sucked and couldnt compete with a 8600, and it had a $250 msrp, they wouldnt sell it at 250, they would sell it at 150 or whatever a 8600gt goes for.

Price gouging is a very specific term that a lot of people completely misuse. I will give you an example of price gouging, a tornado hits a large city, people need medical supplies/water etc. Some people from a nearby city that was unaffected and in no danger comes to that town and sells these products 10x what they normally charge. That is price gouging.

This is just basic economics. The demand at $250 is higher than supply.

Rich

Great post! :thumbsup:

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: richwenzel
There is no price gouging going on. Nvidia/ATI misunderstood the market for their goods and misaligned their MSRPS. Imagine the GT was MSRP at $450...seems aboutright since it is better than the 640mb gts. If it was then selling at $300, you would think it was deep discounted.

If the card sucked and couldnt compete with a 8600, and it had a $250 msrp, they wouldnt sell it at 250, they would sell it at 150 or whatever a 8600gt goes for.

Price gouging is a very specific term that a lot of people completely misuse. I will give you an example of price gouging, a tornado hits a large city, people need medical supplies/water etc. Some people from a nearby city that was unaffected and in no danger comes to that town and sells these products 10x what they normally charge. That is price gouging.

This is just basic economics. The demand at $250 is higher than supply.

Rich

How can you say there is no price gouging? If a product is brought to market at a specific price and initially meets that price, but then as supply and demand kick in, the price is raised at retailers, do you not consider that price gouging?

The card may be "worth" more than its MSRP to some, but you can't just ignore what its price range is supposed to be. As supply kicks in, the price is going to come back down to what it was launched it.

 

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by: richwenzel
There is no price gouging going on. Nvidia/ATI misunderstood the market for their goods and misaligned their MSRPS. Imagine the GT was MSRP at $450...seems aboutright since it is better than the 640mb gts. If it was then selling at $300, you would think it was deep discounted.

Problem with that is that the GT isn't a major improvement in performance from the GTS, which is about a year older. We were sold pretty much last year's performance. $450 for last year's performance? No thanks. $250? That's more like it, especially since the market is somewhat complacent after AMD's lack of competitive parts in the high-end.

Now, I'm sure there are those who'd buy a $450 8800GT despite, as they're the fools with all the cash that help to contribute to a higher price than expected. :thumbsdown:

I'm not complaining, for someone who didn't get an 8-series at launch, the 8800GT was a great way to join the club and gain a healthy boost of performance from an X1900...but for those who already have 8800 GTS 640MB, it's just foolish to go for a GT when it's essentially the same performance.

 

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: richwenzel
There is no price gouging going on. Nvidia/ATI misunderstood the market for their goods and misaligned their MSRPS. Imagine the GT was MSRP at $450...seems aboutright since it is better than the 640mb gts. If it was then selling at $300, you would think it was deep discounted.

If the card sucked and couldnt compete with a 8600, and it had a $250 msrp, they wouldnt sell it at 250, they would sell it at 150 or whatever a 8600gt goes for.

Price gouging is a very specific term that a lot of people completely misuse. I will give you an example of price gouging, a tornado hits a large city, people need medical supplies/water etc. Some people from a nearby city that was unaffected and in no danger comes to that town and sells these products 10x what they normally charge. That is price gouging.

This is just basic economics. The demand at $250 is higher than supply.

Rich

How can you say there is no price gouging? If a product is brought to market at a specific price and initially meets that price, but then as supply and demand kick in, the price is raised at retailers, do you not consider that price gouging?

The card may be "worth" more than its MSRP to some, but you can't just ignore what its price range is supposed to be. As supply kicks in, the price is going to come back down to what it was launched it.

That's when prices go up, duh. Limited supple and higher demand equate to higher prices for the customer.

I don't consider that price gouging, what prevents an retailer from raising prices on a product when demand is high and his stock is limited? Morality and ethics? The retailer also has money to earn as well, hence their very existence: to make money.

Blame those who buy the cards at the elevated prices, as they're the ones with the disposable income that can't be damned about "MSRP" because they're strapped and are impatient.

For those who wish to be frugal in their choice of video cards, it's unfortunate you missed the best time to order the 8800GT or the HD3870 at optimal prices, but you're going to have to be on the lookout for slick deals (such as the Best Buy 8800GT deal) or pay the extra premium to get the card NOW rather than LATER.

 

[Crumbelievable]

Originally posted by: spittledip
I have been waiting for a video card for about 3 months now. I held off on the 320 GTS as I wanted better price. Held off on the 2900 Pro as I wanted better cooling and more energy efficient and better price. Now finally found what I want in the 3870 b/c of cooling and MSRP. Of course now I am waiting another month to find the prices are still way over MSRP and getting really sick of the wait. It is all very frustrating as I am a bit tired of my x800 vanilla.. not that I don't appreciate it, but I have been wanting a better card for a while, but the retailers are screwing us.. Or if there is a decent deal on the card I want it is gone before you know it. I can deal with being frustrated more than I can with being screwed, so I am not the type that will buy when it is way overpriced. Anyone else feel like this? isgust;:|

If you don't care about direct X10 (I know I don't) then get this:X1950GT

It destroys.