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bshole

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http://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you
You must mean the conviction that may only be the result of a murder committed by and with planted evidence by members of a vindictive police Department?
Where will your rage be if this comes out?

Um.... right.... the cops murdered her, burned her body and spread her bone fragments in the fire pit. They then planted the car in the junkyard, planted a bullet with her blood on the property, etc....

The cops had NO beef with Dassey. Your argument only works with Avery and it preposterous on its face.
 

JSt0rm

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http://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you


Um.... right.... the cops murdered her, burned her body and spread her bone fragments in the fire pit. They then planted the car in the junkyard, planted a bullet with her blood on the property, etc....

The cops had NO beef with Dassey. Your argument only works with Avery and it preposterous on its face.

yeah that's basically what happened. Dassey put Avery there so of course the rolled with the retards statement. Cops killed the lady to not have to pay out 100 million to the hillbilly.
 

WHAMPOM

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http://www.njmoorelaw.com/10-ways-police-can-lie-to-you


Um.... right.... the cops murdered her, burned her body and spread her bone fragments in the fire pit. They then planted the car in the junkyard, planted a bullet with her blood on the property, etc....

The cops had NO beef with Dassey. Your argument only works with Avery and it preposterous on its face.
Easy target. Just collateral damage for nephew and girl in a "made us look bad so let's get him back harder" mind set. History repeating itself squared in a cop vendetta.
 

agent00f

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Usually I'm not big on conspiracies, but in this case the cops had the means, motive, and opportunity. At the very least, going around framing the mentally handicapped doesn't look good for their defense.
 

bshole

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Duffin said in his ruling that investigators made false promises to Dassey by assuring him "he had nothing to worry about."

It is my understanding that law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to defendants. This surely sets a new precedence and upsets the current precedence which was set by the Supreme Court.

Steven Avery is a piece of shit. If he is unleashed, he will murder/rape again. It will be on the heads of those that unleash him.
 

JSt0rm

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if we cant lie to them they shouldnt be able to lie to us. Police powers have gone too far. Its time to reel them in a bit.
 

Genx87

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This whole situation has so much stink on it. It is scary to think what a police department can do to people if they want.
 

fskimospy

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This whole situation has so much stink on it. It is scary to think what a police department can do to people if they want.

Yep! After watching the documentary and reading more about the Avery case I'm on the fence about whether Avery did it or not. I think if I was on the jury I would have voted to acquit simply because reasonable doubt definitely exists. (similarly I would have voted to acquit OJ even though we all know he did it).

This is about Brendan Dassey though and I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant miscarriage of justice. You had two cops badgering a mentally retarded teenager into a confession and then the kid's own lawyer was working against him to get another confession out of him. Why his attorney wasn't disbarred is beyond me, but I'm very happy he's likely being released.
 

BurnItDwn

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Too bad the cop who killed the woman got away and they pinned it on the dumb yokel.
 

WHAMPOM

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It is my understanding that law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to defendants. This surely sets a new precedence and upsets the current precedence which was set by the Supreme Court.

Steven Avery is a piece of shit. If he is unleashed, he will murder/rape again. It will be on the heads of those that unleash him.

You protest too much, what are you hiding?
 

master_shake_

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piece of shit colluding state employees fuck it all up again.

seems par for the course to me.
 

agent00f

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It is my understanding that law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to defendants. This surely sets a new precedence and upsets the current precedence which was set by the Supreme Court.

Lying to defendants isn't the problem here per se, it's manipulating the mentality handicapped to send them away for life, out of convenience. It's hard to argue people who're willing to stoop that low are above killing someone to spite Avery, out of convenience.

Steven Avery is a piece of shit. If he is unleashed, he will murder/rape again. It will be on the heads of those that unleash him.

You might recall the cops similarly framed him for rape some years back. At this point why even bother with a legal justice system, just kill all those some authority deem to be shit.
 

JSt0rm

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Let's think about it. Avery was just in prison for something he didn't do. He is about to get a 100 million dollar settlement that would surely bankrupt this podunk shithole. And with all that going on he decides to kill a woman on his property and sprinkle crack on himself? Lol. No way. No way.
 

agent00f

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To be fair, Avery doesn't seem much of a long term planner, and neither do some of the cops involved.

I think it's more likely a murder dropped on their lap and they saw the opportunity to pin it on Avery to their own benefit. Just like they saw Dassey as a similar means to that end.
 

bshole

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Let's think about it. Avery was just in prison for something he didn't do. He is about to get a 100 million dollar settlement that would surely bankrupt this podunk shithole. And with all that going on he decides to kill a woman on his property and sprinkle crack on himself? Lol. No way. No way.

So they were the ones who called Theresa's employer repeatedly before her visit? They were the ones who impersonated her when she told people that Steven gave her the creeps? They were the ones that impersonated Steve and purchased the restraints that were used on her? They what.... kidnapped and murdered her as she left Steve's property?
 

agent00f

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I would tend to agree that had the cop killed Theresa, they also probably could've done a better job of it. This case is really more about what the cops are willing to do to serve self-interest in absence of compelling evidence. It's not unimaginable that they happened to frame the right guy, but even if they were accidentally correct it still makes a mockery of criminal justice.
 

JSt0rm

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So they were the ones who called Theresa's employer repeatedly before her visit? They were the ones who impersonated her when she told people that Steven gave her the creeps? They were the ones that impersonated Steve and purchased the restraints that were used on her? They what.... kidnapped and murdered her as she left Steve's property?

I'm not going to debate the evidence with you. I think the whole thing is off and so do most people.
 

EOM

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Those who enforce the law must follow it in the course of their duties. Period.

Anything else is an invitation to tyranny.
The law is flawed. They should seek justice in all cases. To follow it blindly in the course of their duties is akin to "well i was just doing my job"...

Its uncomfortable for some people to think that the justice system is flawed. The simple mind likes the black and white yes and no it creates.
 

bshole

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The law is flawed. They should seek justice in all cases. To follow it blindly in the course of their duties is akin to "well i was just doing my job"...

SPECIFICALLY what did they do wrong.
 

agent00f

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The way they "questioned" Dassey is pretty clearly wrong. They were simply taking advantage of someone not equipped to handle a process designed to crack hardened criminals.
 

bshole

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The way they "questioned" Dassey is pretty clearly wrong. They were simply taking advantage of someone not equipped to handle a process designed to crack hardened criminals.

Here is the timeline:
October 2005: Teresa Halbach is murdered

November 2005: A distressed Brendan Dassey — who had lost upwards of 40 pounds — talks with his cousin, Kayla, about Steven Avery.

November 6th, 2005 — Police ask Dassey routine questions as part of their investigation. He denies any involvement, but investigators believe he may be hiding something. Police consider him a potential witness.

January 2005: Kayla confided in school counselors about conversations she had with Brendan.

February 20th, 2005 — Police ask Kayla question as part of their routine investigation into Steven Avery. She offers, unsolicited, that her cousin Brendan Dassey often cried uncontrollably and had lost weight. She implies this may be related to Avery.

February 27th — Police interview Dassey at school without a lawyer present, believing he might have information about Steven Avery’s involvement in the murder of Halbach. Dassey at first denied any involvement, but then he told the police that Avery had asked him not to talk. After more questioning, he admitted he may have seen Teresa’s body, then he admitted that Steven killed Teresa. He denied his own involvement, and provided a written statement of what he knew.

February 28th — Police interview Dassey again, this time at the Two Rivers police department. They sought permission from Dassey’s mother, who provided it. A lawyer was not present because, again, police were interviewing Dassey as a witness, not as a suspect. Again, Dassey implicated Steven Avery in the murder of Halbach. The police, to protect Dassey and his mother from Avery and his family, offer to put them up in a hotel.

Later that night, with Dassey’s mother present, Dassey admitted to police that he helped Steven Avery clean up the crime scene, pouring bleach on the garage floor. He also admitted to having jeans with bleach stains on them, which he provided to the police as evidence.

March 1st — Police asked Dassey’s mother again if they could interview him. She agreed. A lawyer was not present because, again, he was only considered a witness at this time. Here, Dassey confessed not only to being a witness to the crime who helped clean up Avery’s mess, but that he, himself, had been involved in the rape and murder of Halbach. Police were able to corroborate much of Dassey’s confession with physical evidence. The confession was gruesome, and several pages long.

None of this was particularly unusual for a confession. In most cases, a guilty party initially denies wrongdoing, but under multiple rounds of questioning, offers more and more details until he or she admits being a witness, being involved, or outright perpetuating the crime. Confessions, in most cases, come in waves.

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...presented-the-case-against-brendan-dassey.php
 

agent00f

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The video of his interrogation is a matter of public record. I'd suggest watching it if you've not done so. It makes it pretty obvious what was going on.
 
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