This thread is not about the case it self, it was about AA in general.
There was a point in time when affirmative action was needed. It had merit. Today, it is abused, causes far more legal head ache than need be and there are enough labor laws in effect that address the needs anyway.
I say drop the policy of affirmative action and let the individual stand on their own. Let the long list of labor laws be applied and not some legacy, antiquated policy such as AA.
This, exactly.Yeah I think the entitlement mentality is the real problem in America. And it creates trickle down issues with all sorts of other things, Affirmative Action probably being the least serious of them.
In higher education, AA is a huge detriment to poor Asians. A high percentage are immigrants, first or second generation, so no legacy admissions. Since on average they very much value hard work and opportunity, they tend to make their children work hard and excel. Thus on any merit-based admission system Asians will be disproportionately represented. Given that every university has a limited number of spots available, poor Asians get knocked out both by legacy admissions of whites and affirmative action admissions of blacks and Hispanics. Every non-merit admission raises the bar for merit admissions, and Asians being disproportionately represented in merit admissions, they must also be disproportionately represented in those who lose their opportunities due to non-merit admissions.Then you should be been more clear instead of appearing to make a generalized statement about AA.
I'd be interested in know how exactly AA has been detrimental to impoverished Asians? They are a minority group. If that is a fact, as you say, I'd like to see a source on it.
I'd say rather that it's time SHOULD have passed, but many of the problems afflicting blacks might actually be worse today, at least in education (which ripples through employment as well) and broken families. Since some of these problems are cultural factors, some are honestly very difficult to solve, and others are too expensive (in dollars or politically) to solve, I don't see affirmative action being phased out any time soon. The effects of doing so are simply beyond what we as a society will accept. Race-based affirmative action is an abomination, but right now the alternatives are worse.Bingo. Race-based affirmative action was an ok idea as a temporary measure to undo some of the harmful effects of segregation, but by now its time has passed.
Affirmative action is just wrong and must be ended, it punishes white people at the benefit of minorities
Bingo. Race-based affirmative action was an ok idea as a temporary measure to undo some of the harmful effects of segregation, but by now its time has passed.
Affirmative action is just wrong and must be ended, it punishes white people at the benefit of minorities
I'm sure there is some part of Affirmative Action that benefits uneducated white males like yourself, Incorruptible. Maybe you can go to Community College for free!
Except that its only about race based AA, amiright?
You dont know anything about me, I am educated and have a job
She was also denied admission from within the general pool of applicants, for which it is the university’s policy to include race as a deciding factor.
On June 23, 2003, the Supreme Court abrogated Hopwood in Grutter v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 306 (2003) in which the high court found that the United States Constitution "does not prohibit the law school's narrowly tailored use of race in admissions decisions to further a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body." The ruling means that universities in the Fifth Circuit's jurisdiction can again use race as a factor in admissions (as long as quotas are not used, per Gratz v. Bollinger, 539 U.S. 244 (2003)).
It's hard to tell. You sure have the rest of us fooled.
What is your job and how well are you educated?
AA has no place in today's society. All it does is fan the fires of racism. Race should not play any part in someone getting a job, or placement in a school.
For the record, I strongly believe everyone (regardless of race/creed/color/etc.) should be graded on his/her own merit and hard work. No more set aside/AA programs. Period
Thats none of your business, All I will tell you is that I make decent money, I am not rich but not poor either and I do have a university education
You may think I have poor grammar but thats only on the internet
It also gives people a reason to pull the race card when they don't get admitted into Law School.
So would you have a problem with her not being admitted solely because she is white? From your snarky comment would imagine not.
Of course I would. However, she doesn't actually know why she was rejected so shes pulling the "persecuted white person" card to win a court case.
You know there could be a number of reasons she didn't get in that have absolutely nothing to do with affirmative action.
I'm actually close to someone that worked in admissions for UT Austin and am pretty sure that she is full of shit, hence the references to former cases involving the same issue. Of course if she proves that she was qualified but still rejected there aren't too many other places to point the blame.
According to a report done by Robert B. Avery and Michael S. Rendall, one in three white households will receive a substantial inheritance during their lifetime compared to only one in ten black households.) = equality.
The reality is if AA does make it so people are rejected based on their race, if this wasn't the case then you wouldn't have seen a sharp increase in certain races after AA was banned in California.
The group that saw the biggest gains after AA was banned was impoverished asians.
Piss on you. There are thousands more people deserving of an education than a university can accommodate. Affirmative action attempts to balance out race by population because of the bias that always exists for whites. Lots of qualified people don't get in now, and more whites than in the past, but all that do get in are fully qualified. No unqualified black gets in over a qualified white.