Thoughts on Affirmative Action??

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Munky

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AA is racial discrimination, and has no place in a society based on fairness and freedom, liberal equalist bullshit notwithstanding.
 

DCal430

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Piss on you. There are thousands more people deserving of an education than a university can accommodate. Affirmative action attempts to balance out race by population because of the bias that always exists for whites. Lots of qualified people don't get in now, and more whites than in the past, but all that do get in are fully qualified. No unqualified black gets in over a qualified white.

Why do you ignore Asians, who are harmed the most by AA. Poor southeast asians being denied over a rich african american, seems a bit unfair.
 

xj0hnx

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Piss on you. There are thousands more people deserving of an education than a university can accommodate. Affirmative action attempts to balance out race by population because of the bias that always exists for whites. Lots of qualified people don't get in now, and more whites than in the past, but all that do get in are fully qualified. No unqualified black gets in over a qualified white.

Racist.
 

Moonbeam

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Come come come, self-hater, you know you just feel inferior. Nobody in their right mind would chose to have your ugly white skin and your short dick all connected up to a brain that can't think.
 

nehalem256

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Why do you ignore Asians, who are harmed the most by AA. Poor southeast asians being denied over a rich african american, seems a bit unfair.

Hitler declared Japanese to be honorary Aryans. Since it is impossible to tell Asians apart liberals naturally extended that status to all Asians
 

peonyu

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Hitler declared Japanese to be honorary Aryans. Since it is impossible to tell Asians apart liberals naturally extended that status to all Asians



South Africa did the same with Apartheid. East Asians were A'ok in their book while at the same time Black people were pushed to the back of the bus. Removing AA will do the same thing - Asians will get a boost at the expense of African Americans, and thats the problem with removing AA, it just hampers the African American community with less opportunities.
 

DCal430

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Based on the experience of my people I just do not see a need for AA.

My people came to this country with nothing, nearly all of them in deep poverty escaping a war torn country. Most with little or no education due to the war, now 30 years later we doing very well.

Now around 45% of us ages 25 to 34 have a Bachelors or higher degree, compared to 39% for Non-Hispanic whites, and 20% for African Americans. Childhood poverty is 15% for us compared to 20% for the general population.

In 30 years we went from having over 50% poverty rate, with less than 5% college education to better than Non-Hispanic whites and many areas. This was done without the help of Affirmative Action.
 

SheHateMe

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Based on the experience of my people I just do not see a need for AA.

My people came to this country with nothing, nearly all of them in deep poverty escaping a war torn country. Most with little or no education due to the war, now 30 years later we doing very well.

Now around 45% of us ages 25 to 34 have a Bachelors or higher degree, compared to 39% for Non-Hispanic whites, and 20% for African Americans. Childhood poverty is 15% for us compared to 20% for the general population.

In 30 years we went from having over 50% poverty rate, with less than 5% college education to better than Non-Hispanic whites and many areas. This was done without the help of Affirmative Action.

You don't know what was done without the help of AA. You are speaking for yourself, not every one of your "people".

You don't know the circumstances of every single Asian in this country either, sorry..but California is not most of the United States.
 

nehalem256

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South Africa did the same with Apartheid. East Asians were A'ok in their book while at the same time Black people were pushed to the back of the bus. Removing AA will do the same thing - Asians will get a boost at the expense of African Americans, and thats the problem with removing AA, it just hampers the African American community with less opportunities.

So you have no problem with hampering Asians simply due to their race....

I think that is called racism.
 

DCal430

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You don't know what was done without the help of AA. You are speaking for yourself, not every one of your "people".

You don't know the circumstances of every single Asian in this country either, sorry..but California is not most of the United States.



No I am not speaking for my self. The fact is after AA was banned admission rates to colleges increased for my people. Almost no college includes Asian in AA.

The majority of my people are California.
 

SheHateMe

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No I am not speaking for my self. The fact is after AA was banned admission rates to colleges increased for my people. Almost no college includes Asian in AA.

The majority of my people are California.

Almost no college in the country or just California? You are basing your opinion of AA off of one state and off of one section of the Asian population. You obviously don't know anything about Asians outside of California.
 

Svnla

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Based on the experience of my people I just do not see a need for AA.

My people came to this country with nothing, nearly all of them in deep poverty escaping a war torn country. Most with little or no education due to the war, now 30 years later we doing very well.

Now around 45% of us ages 25 to 34 have a Bachelors or higher degree, compared to 39% for Non-Hispanic whites, and 20% for African Americans. Childhood poverty is 15% for us compared to 20% for the general population.

In 30 years we went from having over 50% poverty rate, with less than 5% college education to better than Non-Hispanic whites and many areas. This was done without the help of Affirmative Action.

Read this thread = http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2273265&page=2

I provided not one, not two, but several links about how Asian students (overall in the whole US) are doing as well, if not better than whites in school even without AA or set aside programs. How other minority groups are sucking at school (overall in the US) even with AA/set aside programs.
 
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DCal430

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Almost no college in the country or just California? You are basing your opinion of AA off of one state and off of one section of the Asian population. You obviously don't know anything about Asians outside of California.



No I am not just basing it off one section of Asian population, I basing it off one of the lowest performing sections, others are doing even better, and Asians do not benefit from AA outside of California either. To claim so, shows you know little about Asians.
 
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SheHateMe

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No I am not basing it off one section of Asian population, I basing it off all sections, and Asians do not benefit from AA outside of California either. To claim so, shows you know little about Asians.

Okay, so let me get this clear... there are no Asians in the United States that benefit from Affirmative Action?

You have proof of this?

What about Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? Just digging around, I found this little nugget.

In fact, according to the 2009 American Community Survey, only 62% of Cambodian, Hmong, and Laotian Americans nationwide have a high school diploma (compared to 85% of the overall population), and in a 2006 study by UCLA, slightly less than a third (29%) of Pacific Islanders between the ages of 18 and 24 were enrolled in a college or university, a rate comparable to African Americans (29%). In contrast, the college enrollment figures are 39% for non-Hispanic whites and 57% for Asians overall.The lack of disaggregated data is a national problem not yet fully addressed by our policy makers. We must do more to ensure that every student's experience is accurately reflected.

So, when you say Asian Americans you are including all Asians right, because before you were talking about Chinese, Japanese, and Korean students.
 
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Geosurface

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I used to support affirmative action very strongly, now I oppose it very strongly.

I used to think it was a useful tool to help certain segments of the population catch up and overcome past and lingering injustices, inequalities, etc.

Now I think it's a recipe for societal downfall.

When you do some research on how much standards have been lowered in important, life-saving areas (medicine, police, firefighters) not to mention everywhere else... in order to get the end result which was deemed sufficiently "diverse" it's enough to make your hair stand up on end.

The implications it has for society are profoundly scary. Being qualified must always be the only consideration.
 

DCal430

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Okay, so let me get this clear... there are no Asians in the United States that benefit from Affirmative Action?

You have proof of this?

What about Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders? Just digging around, I found this little nugget.



So, when you say Asian Americans you are including all Asians right, because before you were talking about Chinese, Japanese, and Korean students.

No I was talking about Southeast Asian before. That statistics is very misleading as it includes people who migrated to the U.S as adults.

In California without AA Southeast Asians represent around 7% of the University of California population, but less than 2% of the state population. The majority of southeast Asians live in California. Outside of California, Texas, and New York there are very few southeast Asians.

The only group that could be benefiting form AA would be Hmong and Laotians, but their populations are very small.
 

Svnla

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NOBODY deserves a job based on race.

or a slot at any University or anything that he/she did not earn from own merit and hard work. No "if", "and", or "but". Enough of excuses and blames.
 
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