Threadripper BUILDERS thread

[Paratus]

Is that with a 1950x threadripper ? they should be around 3000

1900x

So half a 1950X.

However a question. The mobo Vcore is on Auto but shows 1.36V.

CPUz and Ryzen Master have shown cpu voltage as high as 1.44V

What’s going on here? Do I need to go in and physically set it to 1.35V?

CPUz has been showing core speeds as high as 4.150ghz.

 

[eek2121]

Has anyone been able to push voltage to 1.55V on all 16 cores at 4.3-4.5 GHz? If so, what motherboard do you use? My board cannot deliver that much power on 16 cores. My chip can do 4.4 GHz at 1.55 (it boots with 6 cores, and it can boot and benchmark with 8 cores @ 4.3/1.4375, but adding more cores makes the system lock and I'm sure it isn't the CPU). Yes I know it's detrimental to the chip, but I wanted to benchmark. When I run something under load the display shuts off and the machine freezes. Also the MSI board frequently gives a C0 error when certain settings are enabled: you have to reset the machine to make it go away. Right now I can't even push 4.2 on 16 cores at 1.4V because the board can't handle it. I'm stuck. I really want to wait until the x499 or whatever chipset comes out, but at the same time, I'm trying to do benchmarks and the board is stopping me.

 

[eek2121]

1900x

So half a 1950X.

However a question. The mobo Vcore is on Auto but shows 1.36V.

CPUz and Ryzen Master have shown cpu voltage as high as 1.44V

What’s going on here? Do I need to go in and physically set it to 1.35V?

CPUz has been showing core speeds as high as 4.150ghz.

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If it's at stock speeds, you don't need to do anything. The voltages and clocks change due to CPU boost. Threadripper is supposed to boost up to 4.2 GHz. If you are attempting to overclock you should manually set the voltage and LLC settings.

 

[Paratus]

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If it's at stock speeds, you don't need to do anything. The voltages and clocks change due to CPU boost. Threadripper is supposed to boost up to 4.2 GHz. If you are attempting to overclock you should manually set the voltage and LLC settings.

I’ve got the MSI Carbon board too. Currently I’m just trying to run it stock. I understand Boost will take all cores up to 4.0ghz and XFR will take a few cores up to 4.2 in 25mhz increments.

It just seems like 1.44v peak is awfully high for stock “Auto” settings.

 

[eek2121]

I’ve got the MSI Carbon board too. Currently I’m just trying to run it stock. I understand Boost will take all cores up to 4.0ghz and XFR will take a few cores up to 4.2 in 25mhz increments.

It just seems like 1.44v peak is awfully high for stock “Auto” settings.

It will hit 1.5V sometimes. Completely safe. Don't worry about it. That's the way boost works. The MSI board DOES raise the base frequency to 4.7 GHz, at least for my 1950X, but my Enerrmax has no issues cooling it. Right now I'm trying to bench some higher clocks, but my board is holding me back. I think I managed to get 4.2 stable though. Previously it was throttling due to the lack of power, but apparently 1.4125V with LLC mode 1 allowed 4.2 to work. I don't know about stability yet. I will be running benchmarks. Cinebench ran fine without throttling though.

 

[Paratus]

It will hit 1.5V sometimes. Completely safe. Don't worry about it. That's the way boost works. The MSI board DOES raise the base frequency to 4.7 GHz, at least for my 1950X, but my Enerrmax has no issues cooling it. Right now I'm trying to bench some higher clocks, but my board is holding me back. I think I managed to get 4.2 stable though. Previously it was throttling due to the lack of power, but apparently 1.4125V with LLC mode 1 allowed 4.2 to work. I don't know about stability yet. I will be running benchmarks. Cinebench ran fine without throttling though.

For LLC, it wasn’t obvious to me which direction raises the voltage. Is mode 1 a little or a lot?

 

[Markfw]

@Paratus Silly question maybe, but why the 8 core 1900x, instead of the 8 core 1800x for less money ?

 

[Paratus]

@Paratus Silly question maybe, but why the 8 core 1900x, instead of the 8 core 1800x for less money ?

It’s not a silly question. @ericlp asked me the same thing so I’ll just copy my answer here:

A couple of reasons.

When I bought my current i7 920 / X58 rig I got the best of basically everything.

• Best platform - triple channel RAM with 6 DIM slots, 40 PCIE lanes - all the bells and whistles
• Price to perormance - the cheapest X58 cpu the i7 920 could OC past the most expensive i7 outside of the $1K extreme edition.
• OC’d It gave the best gaming
• OC’d it gave the best productivity.

Today you’re lucky to get 2 out of the four.

• X399 Is the best platform - most CPU PCIE lanes, NVME support including RAID, and hopefully upgrade-ability. (Intel neutered the X299 with anything less than the 7900 and it still has less CPU lanes)
• Best gaming is the 8700K - even better than the 7980xe
• Best productivity - is probably the 7980xe
• Best overall price to performance is the 1700

I found the HEDT platforms to be the best- easy to add extra RAM, storage, PCIE cards, (video capture, next gen connectivity USB3 and SATA 6). So I wanted to keep that capability in my new rig.

Also this is going to be for home use. We don’t currently have anything that needs 16+ threads and the higher clocks on the 1900X give better guaranteed single core performance. For gaming I tend to max out visuals at 25x14, so the 1900X should be more than enough.

Finally with X399 I have the option to upgrade the CPU in the future so that’s good from a hobbiest perspective. My first rig I ended up building on the last gen of socket 478 and AGP. Made it difficult to upgrade. My current i7 is still in the same case as my original 478 rig and it’s been thermally limiting. (Small loud fans no room for AIO or even decent sized air coolers).

So long story short I wanted:

• The best platform since I keep my rigs for 5-7 years
• Solid productivity
• Acceptable gaming
• Cheapest price of entry for the best platform so I can upgrade later.
• I also wanted a chance to push a Threadripper OC for single core performance just for fun.

 

[ericlp]

I just ran Cinebench on mine (stock), here are my results.

Open GL 108.38 fps
CPU 2970 cb
Single 161 cb
MP ratio 18.45 x

 

[Markfw]

It’s not a silly question. @ericlp asked me the same thing so I’ll just copy my answer here:

A couple of reasons.

When I bought my current i7 920 / X58 rig I got the best of basically everything.

• Best platform - triple channel RAM with 6 DIM slots, 40 PCIE lanes - all the bells and whistles
• Price to perormance - the cheapest X58 cpu the i7 920 could OC past the most expensive i7 outside of the $1K extreme edition.
• OC’d It gave the best gaming
• OC’d it gave the best productivity.

Today you’re lucky to get 2 out of the four.

• X399 Is the best platform - most CPU PCIE lanes, NVME support including RAID, and hopefully upgrade-ability. (Intel neutered the X299 with anything less than the 7900 and it still has less CPU lanes)
• Best gaming is the 8700K - even better than the 7980xe
• Best productivity - is probably the 7980xe
• Best overall price to performance is the 1700

I found the HEDT platforms to be the best- easy to add extra RAM, storage, PCIE cards, (video capture, next gen connectivity USB3 and SATA 6). So I wanted to keep that capability in my new rig.

Also this is going to be for home use. We don’t currently have anything that needs 16+ threads and the higher clocks on the 1900X give better guaranteed single core performance. For gaming I tend to max out visuals at 25x14, so the 1900X should be more than enough.

Finally with X399 I have the option to upgrade the CPU in the future so that’s good from a hobbiest perspective. My first rig I ended up building on the last gen of socket 478 and AGP. Made it difficult to upgrade. My current i7 is still in the same case as my original 478 rig and it’s been thermally limiting. (Small loud fans no room for AIO or even decent sized air coolers).

So long story short I wanted:

• The best platform since I keep my rigs for 5-7 years
• Solid productivity
• Acceptable gaming
• Cheapest price of entry for the best platform so I can upgrade later.
• I also wanted a chance to push a Threadripper OC for single core performance just for fun.

A lot of logical reasons ! Thanks for the reply.

 

[Paratus]

I just ran Cinebench on mine (stock), here are my results.

Open GL 108.38 fps
CPU 2970 cb
Single 161 cb
MP ratio 18.45 x

My OpenGL results were about the same.

 

[eek2121]

@Paratus Silly question maybe, but why the 8 core 1900x, instead of the 8 core 1800x for less money ?

I would venture a guess that he can overclock the daylights out of it. If it weren't for this MSI board, I'd be able to take her to 4.4 ez. A Ryzen 7 1800x has no hope of hitting that frequency.

 

[Paratus]

I would venture a guess that he can overclock the daylights out of it. If it weren't for this MSI board, I'd be able to take her to 4.4 ez. A Ryzen 7 1800x has no hope of hitting that frequency.

Ive got the same MSI boards, so we’ll see.

I did run into a problem getting the fan profiles to work on my AIO fans.

Turns out the problem was me. I had the pump plugged into the cpu fan header and the radiator fans plugged into the helpfully named pump fan header.

Once swapped the fan control was good.

 

[eek2121]

Ive got the same MSI boards, so we’ll see.

I did run into a problem getting the fan profiles to work on my AIO fans.

Turns out the problem was me. I had the pump plugged into the cpu fan header and the radiator fans plugged into the helpfully named pump fan header.

Once swapped the fan control was good.

They fixed the fan profiles with the latest BIOS update. It was an actual issue that affected many users...so much that 1.7 got rushed out the door. The big issue for me is that right now, you can't really push your CPU past 1.4375V without the motherboard throttling the CPU. It has nothing to do with cooling as my CPU never even approaches 60C, much less the 80C or so throttle point. It's a voltage issue clearly, because if I reduce the power output, the throttling goes away. The problem is that I want to run the CPU at a much higher voltage, and the motherboard simply refuses to deliver what I request. I wanted 1.6V for 4.45 GHz and it couldn't do it. I thought it was threadripper, so I backed it down a bit and discovered that anything above 1.4375 (depending on LLC settings you can inch a *bit* higher.) will cause the cores of the threadripper system to throttle to 550 MHz. It's not temp, HWInfo is set to 1ms reporting and it reports the temp is no more than 60C. Even if HWInfo is wrong, I have a 360 MM Rad hooked up with 6 2650 MM fans...there is no way this chip is getting hot. The exhaust, pipes, and block of the AIO are cool to the touch. This chip is not overheating. I've discovered that if you tweak the voltage a bit lower, suddenly things work normally. However, for higher clocks, you need higher voltages. I'm not intending to run TR at an insane clockspeed, but I am trying to write an article about Ryzen at higher clockspeeds. My chip is capable, I just need a board that is more capable.

 

[Paratus]

They fixed the fan profiles with the latest BIOS update. It was an actual issue that affected many users...so much that 1.7 got rushed out the door. The big issue for me is that right now, you can't really push your CPU past 1.4375V without the motherboard throttling the CPU. It has nothing to do with cooling as my CPU never even approaches 60C, much less the 80C or so throttle point. It's a voltage issue clearly, because if I reduce the power output, the throttling goes away. The problem is that I want to run the CPU at a much higher voltage, and the motherboard simply refuses to deliver what I request. I wanted 1.6V for 4.45 GHz and it couldn't do it. I thought it was threadripper, so I backed it down a bit and discovered that anything above 1.4375 (depending on LLC settings you can inch a *bit* higher.) will cause the cores of the threadripper system to throttle to 550 MHz. It's not temp, HWInfo is set to 1ms reporting and it reports the temp is no more than 60C. Even if HWInfo is wrong, I have a 360 MM Rad hooked up with 6 2650 MM fans...there is no way this chip is getting hot. The exhaust, pipes, and block of the AIO are cool to the touch. This chip is not overheating. I've discovered that if you tweak the voltage a bit lower, suddenly things work normally. However, for higher clocks, you need higher voltages. I'm not intending to run TR at an insane clockspeed, but I am trying to write an article about Ryzen at higher clockspeeds. My chip is capable, I just need a board that is more capable.

Interesting. I’ll keep an eye out for that.

Makes me wonder what they are doing with that Game Boost knob. According to the manual if I crank it to 11 (heh) it’ll OC my chip to 4.5ghz. I’d be suprised if 1.44 is enough for that.

 

[EXCellR8]

started putting some funds away for a 2nd generation TR build. I already had two Ryzen computers during the release of 'ripper last year so I opted to skip it and see what happened with Vega RX.

12nm shall be glorious on AM4... let's just see about this ridiculous DDR4 pricing trend.

 

[eek2121]

Interesting. I’ll keep an eye out for that.

Makes me wonder what they are doing with that Game Boost knob. According to the manual if I crank it to 11 (heh) it’ll OC my chip to 4.5ghz. I’d be suprised if 1.44 is enough for that.

Yeah, it doesnt work that well. I needed 1.625V to get the machine stable enough to run all 16 cores at 4.45ghz
, that can easily kill a chip. I am currently stresstesting 4.2 @ 1.4v with success other than prime95. Something about prime95 causes the CPU cores to throttle (8 cores at a time). Video encodes and IBT don't do that. I ran prime95 in blend mode and it didn't do that either.

started putting some funds away for a 2nd generation TR build. I already had two Ryzen computers during the release of 'ripper last year so I opted to skip it and see what happened with Vega RX.

12nm shall be glorious on AM4... let's just see about this ridiculous DDR4 pricing trend.

Waiting (im)patiently for the 2950x. Though, given how well this chip overclocks, I wonder if the improvements will be worth it...

Edit: fix auto correct "correction".

 

[dlerious]

Yeah, it doesnt work that well. I needed 1.625V to get the machine stable enough to run all 16 cores at 4.45ghz
, that can easily kill a chip. I am currently stresstesting 4.2 @ 1.4v with success other than prime95. Something about prime95 causes the CPU cores to throttle (8 cores at a time). Video encodes and IBT don't do that. I ran prime95 in blend mode and it didn't do that either.

What's the recommended limit for voltage with Threadripper?

 

[Markfw]

What's the recommended limit for voltage with Threadripper?

For me, I don't even want to get close to 1.4. Mostly for power draw. I run mine 24/7/365. At stock (about 1.0 vcore) with 1080ti's and everything running 100%load it draws only about 700 watts, mostly the video cards. If I up it to like 1.35, it draws over 920 watts. They are very efficient at stock, but OC'ed they draw power like a P4.

 

[dlerious]

For me, I don't even want to get close to 1.4. Mostly for power draw. I run mine 24/7/365. At stock (about 1.0 vcore) with 1080ti's and everything running 100%load it draws only about 700 watts, mostly the video cards. If I up it to like 1.35, it draws over 920 watts. They are very efficient at stock, but OC'ed they draw power like a P4.

So about the same as my 1800X. I settled for 3.9 at 1.35. I saw that 1.625V, and my mind was smelling smoke. I might have to go a little higher than my Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W. I have 4 video cards to choose from (RX580, GTX1070,Vega 64, and GTX1080Ti). There will be at least 2 in the system with the Vega 64 being one of them.

 

[Shmee]

How much do we know about Thread ripper 2? I may go for one of those as my next build, if it brings the platform price down a bit and increases gaming performance.

 

[guskline]

Shmee, sounds like TR2 will be released after the second Ryzens hit. I bought an early 1800x in @late March 2017 and TR came out in @ June? I expect AMD to follow suit, especially since it appears that TR was using the top 5% of binned Ryzen chips. They will probably wait until sufficient 2800 chips have been manufactured to assure sufficient quantity of the top 5% for TR2.

BTW, Shmee, aren't you glad you bought your GTX1080TI when you did? Current prices and availability, if at all, are frightening.

 

[EXCellR8]

Current sTR4 boards are still pretty pricey, was hoping to find some deals before the series 2 processors arrive.

 

[Paratus]

Current sTR4 boards are still pretty pricey, was hoping to find some deals before the series 2 processors arrive.

Yup. At least $300+.
The other major cost issue, aside from GPU pricing, is the RAM.

Due to how infinity fabric works for the best performance you want:

• 4 sticks
• High bandwidth (3000+ for non-ECC)
• Low latency
• TR compatible ram which basically means Samsung B-die

For a 32GB 4X8GB set @ 3200mhz and 14-14-14 timings you are looking at $450-$550.

However the X399 platform itself is very nice. It’s just unfortunate memory and GPU prices are so screwed up.

 

[EXCellR8]

Actually, the RAM is my #1 deterrent from building a supplemental X399 machine. I'm thinking now that I'd be better off swapping out the 1700 for a 12nm replacement but would that actually be worth it?

TBD...