Remember the first massive round of protest a few years ago, Mexicans Flag were all over. When Americans notice this, the organizer switch to carrying American Flags--purely PR move.
Illegals is a genetic trait then. Why not just abort them and save time.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: feralkid
Got a vested interest in French politics, or do you just like to see immigrants' asses kicked?
Illegals breed criminals because they were criminals themselves
They need to leave
Originally posted by: babylon5
Remember the first massive round of protest a few years ago, Mexicans Flag were all over. When Americans notice this, the organizer switch to carrying American Flags--purely PR move.
You are talking about 10's of thousands, maybe even 100"s of thousands what I refered to is 10's of millions big freaking difference!
Here is a link with some information that is close to what I am saying about them being to expensive to let them stay.
In addition to public schools, low-income Americans are the beneficiaries of more than 60 federal means-tested aid programs, including Medicaid; Earned Income Tax Credit, a cash handout that averages $1,700 per year per household; food stamps; Section 8 housing, public housing; Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF; school lunches and breakfasts; the Women, Infants and Children, or WIC, nutrition program; Social Services Block Grants, or SSBG; and legal services.
Most Americans are unaware of the enormous government transfers from taxpaying Americans to those who pay little or no income taxes.
About 45 percent of illegal immigrants work in the underground economy, thereby avoiding all income and employment taxes. And, because Mexicans send $23 billion a year of their earnings in remittances back to their home country, they pay little sales taxes for purchases of U.S. products.
Originally posted by: dna
In case you haven't notice the Mexican flag is the one put on prominent display at every possible occasion -- quite audacious from a group of people who not so long ago held a demonstration to demand rights.Originally posted by: Rainsford
Single events are not a basis for judging the entire group of Mexican immigrants. Are these events common among Mexican illegal immigrants, or are they selected by people who (no offense) have a HUGE bias on the issue to prove a point?
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: dna
In case you haven't notice the Mexican flag is the one put on prominent display at every possible occasion -- quite audacious from a group of people who not so long ago held a demonstration to demand rights.Originally posted by: Rainsford
Single events are not a basis for judging the entire group of Mexican immigrants. Are these events common among Mexican illegal immigrants, or are they selected by people who (no offense) have a HUGE bias on the issue to prove a point?
Even if that were true, they are hardly the only group doing that. This is America, since when did that include being forced to abandon your native culture and act exactly like every other American?
Throughout her book, Ngai focuses on what she believes to be the two biggest consequences of the Johnson-Reed Act, the first being creation of the concept of illegal alien and the second being racially ranking the desirability for certain groups to immigrate to the United States. Perhaps the most powerful quote of the entire book goes, "Immigration restriction produced the illegal alien as a new legal and political subject, whose inclusion within the nation was simultaneously a social reality and a legal impossibility - a subject barred from citizenship and without rights." (4) Ngai points out that the irony of this newly created status is that the undocumented or illegal immigrants are woven into the economic fabric and labor market of our nation, and yet as they are cheap labor, they are disposable labor who can easily lose their ability to live in even the subhuman conditions in this oh so great nation.
I love how these idiots keep complaining about many of them working in the "underground" and not paying income/employment taxes yet they are totally against naturalizing them in any way. That is beyond retarded. What do they expect?
Is any of the other stuff I said not getting through to you? It is so blindingly obivous. History is repeating itself. The nativists don't like all of these foreigners coming in. They can't stand them working for cheap and living together in communities. They don't like the fact that they speak a different language. It is the same thing happening again. Primary differences being they are coming from Latin American instead of Europe and they're "illegal". Instead of facing the issue like our government should have done, they didn't pay attention to the streams of immigrants illegally crossing the southern border.
Much of what we're even discussing is totally moot if the government doesn't take steps to secure the border. And no, a fracking fence isn't what I am talking about. But the fact remains that millions of illegals are indeed living in an underground society, so what do we do with them. You have some nutters who actually think that total deportation is a good plan, you have people who'd rather keep the status quo, and people who'd rather have some path to naturalization put in place. Either way the border needs some real security...
Even if that were true, they are hardly the only group doing that. This is America, since when did that include being forced to abandon your native culture and act exactly like every other American?
boohoo, they shouldn't be here. so yes it should be hard for them, its part of the way you discourage such things.
oh get real. theres a huge difference between whats happening now compared to the past. do you even know how little government support there was for the poor let alone illegals in the past? there simply weren't the services around to exploit, they had to swim or sink or leave. and of course it matters that they are now coming from only a single border away with modern travel/communications making their links with their home country much harder to break.
What's Different About Today's Immigration.
Many native-born Americans observe that their ancestors came to America and did not place great demands on government services. Perhaps this is true, but the size and scope of government were dramatically smaller during the last great wave of immigration. Not just means-tested programs, but expenditures on everything from public schools to roads were only a fraction of what they are today. Thus, the arrival of unskilled immigrants in the past did not have the negative fiscal implications that it does today. Moreover, the American economy has changed profoundly since the last great wave of immigration, with education now the key determinant of economic success. The costs that unskilled immigrants impose simply reflect the nature of the modern American economy and welfare state. It is doubtful that the fiscal costs can be avoided if our immigration policies remain unchanged.
The anti-immigrant lobby argues that these immigrants ?are a drain on the U.S. economy.? Yet the National Immigrant Solidarity Network points out that immigrants contribute seven billion dollars in social security per year. They earn $240 billion, report $90 billion, and are only reimbursed five billion in tax returns. They also contribute $25 billion more to the U.S. economy than they receive in healthcare and social services. But this is a limited line of argumentation, since the larger issue is the incalculable trillions of dollars that immigrant labor generates in profits and revenue for capital, only a tiny proportion of which goes back to immigrants in the form of wages.
the simple fact is not much can be done with them without encouraging further illegal immigration unless all the other steps are taken to fix the border. the simple fact is the people who protect exploitative labor and the flood of illegals love the status quo. total deportation? no, some probably would have to happen if we do eventually process them.
Employers do not want to do away with Latino immigration. To the contrary, they want to sustain a vast exploitable labor pool that exists under precarious conditions, that does not enjoy the civil, political, and labor rights of citizens and that is disposable through deportation. It is the condition of deportable they wish to preserve since that condition assures the ability to super-exploit with impunity and to dispose of without consequences should this labor become unruly or unnecessary.
You expect me to look at that BS and say "Oh, right, you got me! All of those pre-1970's immigrants were far more educated and skilled than the current generation of immigrants."
not to the same degree at all. theres an disrespectful arrogance with this segment of the population.
viva la france! viva la france! viva la france!Originally posted by: Shivetya
Three Cheers for FRANCE!