ti4600 or 9500 Pro

[dannybin1742]

I don't play games with AA or AF, i generally don't see the difference

some of you need to chill out this is not in the off topic catagory, so no flame wars

 

[nRollo]

Bunny, those white balls with the butterflies on the box are MOTHBALLS, not crack. (so quit smoking them!)

"WTF are you talking about, the 9500 Pro beats the 4600 in EVERY ONE of those benches."
Errr, no, actually it loses most of them.

Bunnies need glasses
10x7 4600 =162fps, 9500ProFINAL=160fps
12x10 4600=115fps 9500PF=110fps
16x12 4600=77fps 9500PF=72fps
Bunny, when the framrate is HIGHER, we consider the card "better"....

Serious Sam too
10x7 4600 130fps 9500PF 113fps
12x10 4600 89fps 9500PF 77fps
16x12 4600 64fps 9500PF 56fps

too close to matter
10x7 4600 53fps 9500 55fps
12x10 4600 52fps 9500 50fps
16x12 4600 44fps 9500 44fps

I'll give you that I was mistaken about them all being in the GF4s favor, but enough are that this isn't a easy choice.

Slower at Q3

Slower at Jedi Knight

 

[EdipisReks]

it becomes an easy choice if you apply Anisotropic Filtering, however . the S3 VirRGE easily wins in AF situations.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Bunny, those white balls with the butterflies on the box are MOTHBALLS, not crack. (so quit smoking them!)

"WTF are you talking about, the 9500 Pro beats the 4600 in EVERY ONE of those benches."
Errr, no, actually it loses most of them.

Bunnies need glasses
10x7 4600 =162fps, 9500ProFINAL=160fps
12x10 4600=115fps 9500PF=110fps
16x12 4600=77fps 9500PF=72fps
Bunny, when the framrate is HIGHER, we consider the card "better"....

Serious Sam too
10x7 4600 130fps 9500PF 113fps
12x10 4600 89fps 9500PF 77fps
16x12 4600 64fps 9500PF 56fps

too close to matter
10x7 4600 53fps 9500 55fps
12x10 4600 52fps 9500 50fps
16x12 4600 44fps 9500 44fps

I'll give you that I was mistaken about them all being in the GF4s favor, but enough are that this isn't a easy choice.

Slower at Q3

Slower at Jedi Knight

Enable AA/AF and start talking from there.


See this
and this......
lastly...this

If AA/AF is not important to you, then go with the ti4600 but I bet most of us want the best graphics money can buy. What I say still holds true, the ti4600 loses in all the other categories with AA/AF on. It's fact, stop talking like a fan boy and get on with it.

 

[Piper64]

As in most forum, the point of a question is usually missed due to the bias of the person answering the question. Funny enough i prefer Nvidia to ATI due to points when i was selling the cards to customers or fitting them into machine we were building for them. ATI still have driver issues to this day and not matter what new card they bring out, it still has driver problems. Not sure who has been around longer ATI or Nvidia but either way ATI should be getting their drivers right by now. At the end of the day Nvidia are innovators and have introduced more to the graphic scene than ATI. Which is why my vote goes to them, plus their drivers all work.

Anyway i think the point or answers you should be getting is will the card you to get run games that are due out this year. I have read the response to your post, and are not surprised at the answers. Everyone keeps going on about how bad the 4600 did against the 9500 in either Q3 or 3D mark test or whatever. 3D Mark is cool, but the Q3 engines old (unless they revamp it) so why is everyone worried about the results in Q3. The new Unreal engine has been released and i'm sure is a more realistic benchmark for future games as most new games will be adopting this engine.

Anyway while searching the Net looking for info on XP chips etc i can across this site and a review test of the TI range and ATI range of cards minus the 9700. I'm sure this is a more futuristic view of what to expect, so take a look for yourself and it may or may not make up your mind

Check this out >>>>

Hope this helps

 

[nRollo]

Pillage:
"It's fact, stop talking like a fan boy and get on with it. "
I'm typing this on a ATI Retail 9700Pro I bought at BB. I also bought a retail 8500 at BB last year. The year before that I bought a VIVO and a 32 DDR there, and the year before that a MAXX and a Fury.
I see you have a 8500LE. Which one of us do you think ATI wants as a customer? I buy their top of the line, every year, full price, you buy a bargain basement card?
If I'm an "nVidia fanboy", ATI wishes every single person who buys VGAs is just like me.

"If AA/AF is not important to you, then go with the ti4600 but I bet most of us want the best graphics money can buy"
Which is why you have a 8500LE, for the FSAA?

There are other things to consider too:
Like the rolling lines of interference people get with ATI cards. Like the motherboard incompatibilities. Like the stuttering in games. Like the famous "much lower minimum framerate" issue.

If there's a fan boy here, it's you, because the 9500Pro is faster with FSAA on than a 4600, you throw all other factors out the window. Ask 3dfx how well it works to make FSAA your mainstay.....

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Deeko
There is an edit button.

Get the 9500 pro. Faster in what matters, IE games, not that 3DMark bullsh!t someone just posted. Also, who doesn't use FSAA these days??? With FSAA/ansio, it is no contest.

I couldn't care less about FSAA.
high resolution makes the game look good enough without taking the perf. hit from FSAA.

 

[nRollo]

"I couldn't care less about FSAA."

Sacrilege! Don't you want the "best graphics money can buy"?!?!?!?

LOL- I don't use it either, usually 12X10X32, 4x aniso.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Pillage:
"It's fact, stop talking like a fan boy and get on with it. "
I'm typing this on a ATI Retail 9700Pro I bought at BB. I also bought a retail 8500 at BB last year. The year before that I bought a VIVO and a 32 DDR there, and the year before that a MAXX and a Fury.
I see you have a 8500LE. Which one of us do you think ATI wants as a customer? I buy their top of the line, every year, full price, you buy a bargain basement card?
If I'm an "nVidia fanboy", ATI wishes every single person who buys VGAs is just like me.

"If AA/AF is not important to you, then go with the ti4600 but I bet most of us want the best graphics money can buy"
Which is why you have a 8500LE, for the FSAA?

There are other things to consider too:
Like the rolling lines of interference people get with ATI cards. Like the motherboard incompatibilities. Like the stuttering in games. Like the famous "much lower minimum framerate" issue.

If there's a fan boy here, it's you, because the 9500Pro is faster with FSAA on than a 4600, you throw all other factors out the window. Ask 3dfx how well it works to make FSAA your mainstay.....

I did not throw any factors out the window. The cards get faster every year is to accomodate for such features such as AA and AF. Like I said, if you don't want Af/AA, go with the ti4600. I did not get the 8500LE for the FSAA. I'm not some rich guy like you are and I get what's affordable and nice to me.

Whatever floats your boat man. Sorry for the fan boy remark. Was not thinking right.

Conclusion, want speed and don't care less about FSAA nor AF, go ti4600. Otherwise, go 9500pro.