Time for Kerry to concede?

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
As soon as it's impossible for him to win, he should concede.

Agreed.

Count the absentee votes, then see if the provisional votes have a chance of puttiing him ahead. If they realistically can't, concede.

I don't know why the republicans are so against counting votes. We're not talking lawsuits, we're not talking hanging chads, just counting votes that haven't been counted yet.

 

[herkulease]

bush lead in ohio as of 1201am pst

is now 137,606

and increase of 12279 since I last checked @ 1132pm.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: dwell
Not at this second but things are looking grim as hell for him. Take a lesson from Gore, John. Don't be a bitch about it. Concede, grow a beard, and enjoy the lecture circuit.

Why do I see Kerry looking like Abraham Lincoln with his newly grown beard? :laugh:

 

[CanOWorms]

probably

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
The sad part is that Kerry is going to continue to push in Ohio, forcing the Republicans to do the same in states like PA with a close margin.

Kerry's lead is over 160,000 in Pennsylvania. Unless they also have a huge provisional ballot number. It has clearly gone for Kerry.

Given the similar size of the states, I'll go out on a limb and say there are a similar number of provisional ballots. In which case I assume you do want those to be counted as well? He is also winning by only 10k in NH and WI.

 

[xenolith]

CNN just reported there are only 164K provisional ballots in Ohio. You also have to take into account how many will be disqualified.

Does not look good for Kerry.

 

[magomago]

Kerry should concede~ last time i can undersatnd, but not this time...

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: SuperTool
As soon as it's impossible for him to win, he should concede.

Agreed.

Count the absentee votes, then see if the provisional votes have a chance of puttiing him ahead. If they realistically can't, concede.

I don't know why the republicans are so against counting votes. We're not talking lawsuits, we're not talking hanging chads, just counting votes that haven't been counted yet.

the state will count the votes regardless of what Kerry or Bush say/do

the point is that realistically the outcome won't change

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: herkulease
bush lead in ohio as of 1201am pst

is now 137,606

and increase of 12279 since I last checked @ 1132pm.

Up to 145,098 with 100% of precincts...

Originally posted by: xenolith
CNN just reported there are only 164K provisional ballots in Ohio. You also have to take into account how many will be disqualified.

Does not look good for Kerry.

Nope it does not look good for Kerry, even if 90% of the provsional ballots are counted (that'd be 147.6K if 164K is right) then Kerry needs nearly 100% of the prov ballots... not going to happen

 

[jpeyton]

Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: herkulease
bush lead in ohio as of 1201am pst

is now 137,606

and increase of 12279 since I last checked @ 1132pm.

Up to 145,098 with 100% of precincts...

Originally posted by: xenolith
CNN just reported there are only 164K provisional ballots in Ohio. You also have to take into account how many will be disqualified.

Does not look good for Kerry.

Nope it does not look good for Kerry, even if 90% of the provsional ballots are counted (that'd be 147.6K if 164K is right) then Kerry needs nearly 100% of the prov ballots... not going to happen

Nope. When he got 48% of the regular vote, why would he stand to get more than 50% of the prov. vote?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

So the Sox should have conceded the World Series after the 3rd game because nobody has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit?

Again, why would Kerry concede if you need 270 to win, and as of right now NOBODY has projected 270 for either candidate?

 

[gutharius]

No, only because I want him to wait for all the votes to be counted before giving up. There are still absentee ballots and provisional ballots that need to be counted. You wouldn't expect bush to give up if all the ballots had not been counted yet, would you? Given that why would anyone expect Kerry to do the same, and thereby make the same mistake Gore did in 2000?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

So the Sox should have conceded the World Series after the 3rd game because nobody has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit?

Again, why would Kerry concede if you need 270 to win, and as of right now NOBODY has projected 270 for either candidate?

No, its more like the SOX had to be down 20 runs in the 9th in the 4th game in order to come back, statistically they'd be out of it but they still have a chance...hitting 21 runs in 1 inning just doesn't happen.

I'm talking about how Kerry shouldn't draw this out like last year, he should give up RIGHT now but soon, obviously you wait for the last few seconds to tick off the clock before the game is officiall over, just like Monday Night Football where Miami lost to the Jets, with only a few minutes to go we knew they would lose but by how much was determined in the last seconds as the Dolphins did get a last second TD... but statistically they were out of it before the last futile score.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

So the Sox should have conceded the World Series after the 3rd game because nobody has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit?

Again, why would Kerry concede if you need 270 to win, and as of right now NOBODY has projected 270 for either candidate?

Is this really that difficult to understand...I mean, I understand the "never give up" attitude, but lets be realists for a second, how exactly do you think Kerry could possibly win this election. If you can present a plausible solution, by all means do.

 

[VietDude]

"Never give up, Never surrender" (never come back alive)

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

So the Sox should have conceded the World Series after the 3rd game because nobody has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit?

Again, why would Kerry concede if you need 270 to win, and as of right now NOBODY has projected 270 for either candidate?

Is this really that difficult to understand...I mean, I understand the "never give up" attitude, but lets be realists for a second, how exactly do you think Kerry could possibly win this election. If you can present a plausible solution, by all means do.

It's not a never give up attitude. Here's a math lesson:

269 /= 270

The Constitution says 270. So 270 is all anyone is waiting for.

 

[Minjin]

Its hilarious that you guys are so adamant about Ohio still having a chance to swing to Kerry. Then why isn't anyone talking about PA and the smaller lead (122k) with MORE electoral votes?

Pure comedy...

Mark

 

[Spencer278]

Kerry should concede. Send in the laywers to ensure that all democratic votes are counted on local issues, which would also require they be counted for the presidential election and just hope for the best.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Wow, if its not a "never give up attitude" maybe its denial. Bush has soundly won the remaining 3 states that havent been "called".

Bush Leads Kerry by 138,000 + votes in OH (99% in)
Bush Leads Kerry by 15, 511 votes in IA (99% in)
Bush Leads Kerry by 10, 954 votes in NM (99% in)

Lets put IA and NM in the Bush camp, its gonna happen...nothing you can do to stop that. OH is also a Bush win, IF there are 150,000 provisional ballots that need to be counted, Kerry would need to take 92% of them to break even.
This election is, for all intensive purposes, over...Its not a matter of WHO anymore, simply WHEN

Sorry

Oh, and you never answered my initial question...How exactly is Kerry going to pull this out, please tell me...I would LOVE to hear it.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: BunLengthHotDog

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even NBC hasn't declared Bush having 270 yet, so why would Kerry concede?

because even if Bush doesn't nab another state Kerry wouldn't win if it was a 269 tie, not to mention he's still losing the popular vote far worse than Bush did in 2000

So the Sox should have conceded the World Series after the 3rd game because nobody has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit?

Again, why would Kerry concede if you need 270 to win, and as of right now NOBODY has projected 270 for either candidate?

Is this really that difficult to understand...I mean, I understand the "never give up" attitude, but lets be realists for a second, how exactly do you think Kerry could possibly win this election. If you can present a plausible solution, by all means do.

It's not a never give up attitude. Here's a math lesson:

269 /= 270

The Constitution says 270. So 270 is all anyone is waiting for.

no, 270 is the magic number because 269 would most likely mean a tie of 269 to 269 tie, which means the tie breaker would obviously go to Bush because Reps control everything else.

But with NV being said as going to Bush by CNN (but they don't say OH) and MSNBC and FOX saying OH to Bush, but not yet NV, I think its a safe bet that NV is going to Bush, not to mention that Bush is still ahead in Iowa and NM...

 

[jpeyton]

Hopefully Kerry will fight this until the bitter end.

I don't mind waiting a few weeks.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: jm0ris0n
No ! I will seriosly face Canada rather than 4 more years of Bush Tyrany !

See ya.

It's over.

Iowa, NV and NM are likely to be GW's also.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

EDIT: Nevermind, not going there