Time for Kerry to concede?

[Mill]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hopefully Kerry will fight this until the bitter end.

I don't mind waiting a few weeks.

Fight what? How can Kerry win OH?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hopefully Kerry will fight this until the bitter end.

I don't mind waiting a few weeks.

Yes, losing the EC and the popular vote is reason to try to sqeeze more impossible votes, its not a good thing to drag it out, either for the Democratic party or for the USA in general.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hopefully Kerry will fight this until the bitter end.

I don't mind waiting a few weeks.

what you need to know is that drawing it out on a losing case can only be damaging to the democratic party. It's best not to dwell on a defeat, as that would only serve to bring more attention to it, and ultimately associate the party's image with one of desperation. No matter how many ways you look at it, Bush IS the president becaue more people voted for him, and more electoral colleges support him.

 

[Summitdrinker]

125K + is just to much, but he might as well fight about for a few days.....Bush will win in the end anyhow

yep, yep yep, last time it was florida this time Ohio.what is wrong with those Ohio people voting for bush......

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
125K + is just to much, but he might as well fight about for a few days.....Bush will win in the end anyhow

yep, yep yep, last time it was florida this time Ohio.what is wrong with those Ohio people voting for bush......

Why fight in your case(you said he'd lose)?

 

[Summitdrinker]

it's the american way

 

[Sassy]

Kerry lost the popular AND the EC. I congratulate the Republicans on P&N and in the USA for their win. :wine:

 

[buckmasterson]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hopefully Kerry will fight this until the bitter end.

I don't mind waiting a few weeks.

I voted for him, and I hope he doesn't take this to court. He lost, now he should go away, and the Dems should find someone who can actual make a difference in 2008. Kerry is a rat, and people did not trust him. Gore would have pounded Bush!

 

[buckmasterson]

Originally posted by: kissnup
Kerry lost the popular AND the EC. I congratulate the Republicans on P&N and in the USA for their win.

Yup! Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sassy]

I voted for him, and I hope he doesn't take this to court. He lost, now he should go away, and the Dems should find someone who can actual make a difference in 2008. Kerry is a rat, and people did not trust him. Gore would have pounded Bush!

Gore pounding Bush? Naaah....well maybe.

 

[TSDible]

I voted for Bush and I still say no.

At least wait until a clear number of uncounted ballots is determined.

If the lead is greater than the uncounted ballots, then it is time to concede.

If not, start counting ASAP and when the lead is greater than the remaining ballots, then it is time to concede.

It would be a shame to turn this in to another Florida since it is not nearly as close as that race was.

 

[dmcowen674]

Kerry should do the right thing and concede as soon as possible today.

They are talking about days and weeks again.

No credibility for American Elections anymore

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: TSDible
I voted for Bush and I still say no.

At least wait until a clear number of uncounted ballots is determined.

If the lead is greater than the uncounted ballots, then it is time to concede.

If not, start counting ASAP and when the lead is greater than the remaining ballots, then it is time to concede.

It would be a shame to turn this in to another Florida since it is not nearly as close as that race was.

I don't see why OH wouldn't have been called for Bush yet unless something more then just a few hundred votes haven't been counted. The votes not counted would have to break for Kerry by an extremly unlikly percentage for him to win.

 

[TSDible]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: TSDible
I voted for Bush and I still say no.

At least wait until a clear number of uncounted ballots is determined.

If the lead is greater than the uncounted ballots, then it is time to concede.

If not, start counting ASAP and when the lead is greater than the remaining ballots, then it is time to concede.

It would be a shame to turn this in to another Florida since it is not nearly as close as that race was.

I don't see why OH wouldn't have been called for Bush yet unless something more then just a few hundred votes haven't been counted. The votes not counted would have to break for Kerry by an extremly unlikly percentage for him to win.

The chance that Boston would beat NY in 4 straight games was an extremely unlikely percentage as well. But still possible.

I'm just saying. Until the number is concrete, the election should not be conceded. I think that if they start counting today the "provisional" and "absentee" ballots that they do have, we could still have a concrete answer by the end of today.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: TSDible

I'm just saying. Until the number is concrete, the election should not be conceded. I think that if they start counting today the "provisional" and "absentee" ballots that they do have, we could still have a concrete answer by the end of today.

Wrong. Ohio's Secretary of State said provisional ballots are not begun to be counted until 11 days after the election. There are around 190,000 of these, and Bush holds a 137,000 lead. That means, Kerry needs to win 72% of the 190,000. I doubt he'll get Washington DC-like support from these provisional OH ballots. Concede now, and spare the world 11 days of waiting (and tarnishing the American voting process).

 

[Red Dawn]

This brings up an interesting question. If Kerry conceded then after those votes are counted it turns out he garnered enough of those votes to win does he actually win or forfeits because he conceded?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This brings up an interesting question. If Kerry conceded then after those votes are counted it turns out he garnered enough of those votes to win does he actually win or forfeits because he conceded?

No OH would send Kerrys people to vote in the real election in DC.

 

[TSDible]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: TSDible

I'm just saying. Until the number is concrete, the election should not be conceded. I think that if they start counting today the "provisional" and "absentee" ballots that they do have, we could still have a concrete answer by the end of today.

Wrong. Ohio's Secretary of State said provisional ballots are not begun to be counted until 11 days after the election. There are around 190,000 of these, and Bush holds a 137,000 lead. That means, Kerry needs to win 72% of the 190,000. I doubt he'll get Washington DC-like support from these provisional OH ballots. Concede now, and spare the world 11 days of waiting (and tarnishing the American voting process).

I have no links or any data, but I heard on the radio today that districts within Ohio decide when they can "start" counting these ballots.

Does anyone know for sure?

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
With the margin as large as it is the democrats stand to do more damage to themselves by not conceeding.

 

[TSDible]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
With the margin as large as it is the democrats stand to do more damage to themselves by not conceeding.

Although I would love for Kerry to concede, I'm just saying that he would be justified not conceding at this point.

At least wait until all districts have reported their numbers on the election and on the number of "provisional" votes they have. Then make a decision.

 

[Valvoline6]

It's over Johnny, it's OVER! 3.7 million popular vote lead for Bush. 51% of the vote, even the "popular" Bill Clinton could not come close to those totals. Add Nevada, New Mexico and Iowa to the Ohio win. The magins are insurmountable. Do the math.

 

[jediphx]

Well at least now people cant call Bush illegitimate with a 3% lead in the popular vote. Plus republicans GAINED seats in senate and house and took Daschle out of office. Damn thats some sweep

I say they scrape the exit polls because they still clearly suck.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: TSDible

I'm just saying. Until the number is concrete, the election should not be conceded. I think that if they start counting today the "provisional" and "absentee" ballots that they do have, we could still have a concrete answer by the end of today.

Wrong. Ohio's Secretary of State said provisional ballots are not begun to be counted until 11 days after the election. There are around 190,000 of these, and Bush holds a 137,000 lead. That means, Kerry needs to win 72% of the 190,000. I doubt he'll get Washington DC-like support from these provisional OH ballots. Concede now, and spare the world 11 days of waiting (and tarnishing the American voting process).

Actually Ohio's SOS has reported there are about 150,000 provisional ballots in 78 of the 88 counties. with only 10 counties outstanding in the provisional ballot total I think it is extremely unlikely that there will be 190,000 provisionals let alone that many of them even being valid.

 

[TSDible]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: TSDible

I'm just saying. Until the number is concrete, the election should not be conceded. I think that if they start counting today the "provisional" and "absentee" ballots that they do have, we could still have a concrete answer by the end of today.

Wrong. Ohio's Secretary of State said provisional ballots are not begun to be counted until 11 days after the election. There are around 190,000 of these, and Bush holds a 137,000 lead. That means, Kerry needs to win 72% of the 190,000. I doubt he'll get Washington DC-like support from these provisional OH ballots. Concede now, and spare the world 11 days of waiting (and tarnishing the American voting process).

Actually Ohio's SOS has reported there are about 150,000 provisional ballots in 78 of the 88 counties. with only 10 counties outstanding in the provisional ballot total I think it is extremely unlikely that there will be 190,000 provisionals let alone that many of them even being valid.

Right, so let those 10 counties report, make a final count and then concede.

 

[digitalsm]

It is mathmatically impossible for Kerry to win Ohio.

George W. Bush 2,777,645 - 51 percent
John Kerry 2,632,547 - 48 percent

Difference 145,000 votes.

Number of Provisional Votes 135,000.

Updated totals with the 19,000 of 135,000 provisional votes counted

Bush 2,790,645

Kerry 2,638,547

Kerry should do the right thing at 10am and concede the election.