The nfamiliarity and abstractness of the Mandrake partition tool for a duel boot with windows messed up my instalation. Sometime I'll wipe and try again, maybe.
Linux is too much of a b!tch for me right now.. I have RH 9.0 on my laptop after having Mandrake 9 and Mandrake 8 and Redhat 7.3 before that. I still use XP 100 times more.
Linux is just too different for my tastes. Like, I don't like having to read man pages and face possible requirements of recompiling just to install drivers for power management. ACPI hasn't been fully debugged yet and even in RH9, my laptop doesn't know what's going on with the batter.. In fact, it's hard to even tell if Redhat knows that it's sitting on a laptop.
It's too much of a mess to change resolution, plug and play USB hardly even detects unless you reboot the computer, I can't get my trackpad and USB mouse to work at the same time, I can't get a battery meter, no speedstep to save on battery, etc..
Read all day??? Either you're a very slow reader or you're not reading the right stuff. You do realize that you could have posted your problem in the operating systems forum.I'm not that familiar with the directory structure and I'm sick of having to read man pages. Fvck man pages. In Windows, I can figure everything out intuitively. In linux, I have to read all day
O.K. I seriously don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean by consistancy? If you're talking about configuring Apps then I would like to let you know a little something: Windows isn't very consistant either.It took me 4 hours just to get DVDs to play in linux. I'm sure I'd be quicker at it now.. but still, that was four hours of my time learning something so specific that I'll probby never have to do it again. It taught me nothing about the rest of linux because linux is so damn inconsistent. That's right! I said linux is inconsistent.
Windows compatibility layer??? What like a GUI or something like that......... Maybe you should stick with Windows. BTW, Linux isn't really "my project", but one day I would like to contribute somethingIf the linux geeks really want linux to be popular, they better quit being so pompous about their project and build a better Windows compatibility layer.
This is quite funny You mean you had to do all that just to access a windows shared drive? I don't think so. I don't, and I'm using debian, so you must be doing something wrong here.If I want to connect to a windows shared drive, I should have a network neighborhood type icon. I shouldn't have to log in as root, open a shell, edit random configuration files, and reboot.
Which program was that...... Most of the ones I've seen are pretty consistent. No they're not completely identical, but then most programs aren't, sooooo......Linux has all the potential for greatness.. It is just extremely poorly implemented. They haven't quite realized the necessity for ease of use and intuitive software. Instead, every damn piece of software looks completely different. Why can't the icons be consistent? If I get used to seeing a picture of scissors for CUT on an icon, I am not going to expect the bloody knife icon in a different program also means CUT.
Hmmmmm....... Would you like some advice? Stop complaining about it and go back to Windows. If you're not getting Linux now then maybe you need to take a break and try again later .UGH.. I'm pissed at linux. It needs fixed.
The purpose of linux isn't to make a windows clone. Many people don't care if its one bit like windows. I use it primarily for servers and would rather it not function like windows servers Even on my desktop I don't really care.f the linux geeks really want linux to be popular, they better quit being so pompous about their project and build a better Windows compatibility layer.
There is nothing really "pompous" about it. To each his own. Some of us act a little cocky because we didn't earn certifications at bootcamps. We went to the school of hard knocks in learning *nix. And yes, I have Micro$oft certs too.If the linux geeks really want linux to be popular, they better quit being so pompous about their project and build a better Windows compatibility layer.
Originally posted by: AznMaverick
i have another question. i always thought that linux apps were supposed to run 'faster' than windows apps. however, when ever i double click to open en app it takes forever, is it just because i'm on a 500 mhz machine? (i don't know how much of a difference of speed i should be seeing from my 733 machine which is my primary machine with win2k on it, comparing it to my 500 celeron).
That's funny, I can use a freakin microsoft usb gamepad by simply pluggin it in, yet if I try that in windows, I have to reboot. AND windows has to reinstall the driver and reboot AGAIN if I stick it in a different usb portplug and play USB hardly even detects unless you reboot the computer
Yes. Welcome to a culture that encourages knowledge, not ignorance. You can click your way through wizards all day long, but afterwards, you're not gonna know jack sh!t more than you did before. Linux (unix in general really) is not about comforting windows users. Just because dumbass companies like redhat make those promises doesn't mean that those companies are any more honest than Enron or MS. Linux is HARD. Linux takes EFFORT. You can choose not to go through the trouble, that's fine. Many people have, and the vast majority are extremely glad that they did. It truly is a different way of experiencing computers in general. (again, I mean unix in general, linux is just one such way to go about "experiencing" unix)I'm not that familiar with the directory structure and I'm sick of having to read man pages. Fvck man pages. In Windows, I can figure everything out intuitively. In linux, I have to read all day.
You have friends such as the MPAA and MS to thank for locking you for fvcking your freedom and locking you out of your media. Funny how everyone just goes along with things like DRM, until it affects them personally. This is why principals are important. I don't have those problems, as I don't use lame media that hides itself from me.It took me 4 hours just to get DVDs to play in linux. I'm sure I'd be quicker at it now.. but still, that was four hours of my time learning something so specific that I'll probby never have to do it again.
Yep, guess what? Linux is just the kernel. You're using a collection of GNU apps, and apps made by thousands of other individuals who by and large don't get paid jack to write them. Instead of whining about it, you should try to understand how the system works. If the apps aren't up to your standards, don't use them, but don't bitch about them either, because nobody "owes" it to you. You should be thankful that there are thousands of people out there writing software that gives you even just a *chance* of having more choice.It taught me nothing about the rest of linux because linux is so damn inconsistent.
Oh nuh-uh no you di-int!That's right! I said linux is inconsistent.
That is precisely what keeps linux from being more windows-like. The people who are smart enough to write the software have already gone through this crap and most realized long ago that windows is garbage and there is no point in duplicating it's problems. Then again there are projects like gnome/kde/wine/samba/etc which do enable some compatability.If the linux geeks really want linux to be popular, they better quit being so pompous about their project and build a better Windows compatibility layer.
You certainly don't have to reboot to connect to a windows share. Maybe you should research more before you whine. There is some cool kde program that lets you browse windows shares. Kamba I believe. Not the world's greatest app but it is nice for browsing windows networks.If I want to connect to a windows shared drive, I should have a network neighborhood type icon. I shouldn't have to log in as root, open a shell, edit random configuration files, and reboot.
Remember? There are different people writing each project? All kde apps will have the same icons, and all gnome apps will, but gnome and kde have different icons. Non kde/gnome apps will have icons of their own. Welcome to the disorganized mess that is linux, ain't it great!Linux has all the potential for greatness.. It is just extremely poorly implemented. They haven't quite realized the necessity for ease of use and intuitive software. Instead, every damn piece of software looks completely different. Why can't the icons be consistent? If I get used to seeing a picture of scissors for CUT on an icon, I am not going to expect the bloody knife icon in a different program also means CUT.
So does your understanding of the situation. I used to bitch about these exact same things, I've learned better.UGH.. I'm pissed at linux. It needs fixed.
Originally posted by: AznMaverick
i have another question. i always thought that linux apps were supposed to run 'faster' than windows apps. however, when ever i double click to open en app it takes forever, is it just because i'm on a 500 mhz machine? (i don't know how much of a difference of speed i should be seeing from my 733 machine which is my primary machine with win2k on it, comparing it to my 500 celeron).
Bahah, that's going in the sig!The moment you start asking others to RTFM, you are proficient in Linux!
Originally posted by: AznMaverick
okay, TRIED to install debian but it says my drive is corrupted or there is some 'inconsistency' looks like it's back to red hat...haha.
Originally posted by: brxndxn
It's too much of a mess to change resolution
I'm not that familiar with the directory structure and I'm sick of having to read man pages. Fvck man pages. In Windows, I can figure everything out intuitively. In linux, I have to read all day.
It took me 4 hours just to get DVDs to play in linux. I'm sure I'd be quicker at it now.. but still, that was four hours of my time learning something so specific that I'll probby never have to do it again.
It taught me nothing about the rest of linux because linux is so damn inconsistent.
That's right! I said linux is inconsistent.
If the linux geeks really want linux to be popular, they better quit being so pompous about their project and build a better Windows compatibility layer.
If I want to connect to a windows shared drive, I should have a network neighborhood type icon.
I shouldn't have to log in as root, open a shell, edit random configuration files, and reboot.
UGH.. I'm pissed at linux. It needs fixed.
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: AznMaverick
okay, TRIED to install debian but it says my drive is corrupted or there is some 'inconsistency' looks like it's back to red hat...haha.
What was the error?
Yes defenitly, thats why i feel that 5 years working experiance is a sign of proficientcyOriginally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: HarryAngel
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: HarryAngel
i second that. i dual boot freebsd and xp (still a few things that i find windows much better for ex. photoshop, adobe premier video editing stuff in generall). as far as learning curve i would say if you really get serious about it and have time for it, 14 days and you are rocking the boat, 5 years and you are *proficient.Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Yep, I use Freebsd in just about everything. It's a great OS. I love it.Originally posted by: dfi
Freebsd is nice for learning and is quite friendly, imho.
dfi
*working with *nix in a competitive IT enviroment as a sysadmin is something else then compared to sitting home and messing around.
Eh, I'd say about 2-3 years to become an ok sysadmin, 5 is a pretty damn long time.
Yeah well depends, 2-3 work years in a competitive enviroment is defenitly ok, 5 years might seem long but there are things that you learn from experiance over time that are invaluble...heck my own mentor is a professor (with 20+ years) and has done stuff for the Internet sector development that is really impressive and he works evry now and then on Linux kernel development. When he talks evrybody listens, he tells me that he is still learning
Yep, you never quit learning. That's why I'd say 2-3 years to become a decent sysadmin (depending on how "into it" you are during those 2-3 years) - but you'll never *stop* learning, there's always more to know.