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amoeba

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Aug 7, 2003
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OP got cops called on him. cops did not find anything illegal. Written Law seems to support OP. nobody is questioning whether what OP did is illegal or not except Nik and HBalzer.

this seems like a shut case.

HBalzer, I hope you never become a lawyer.

 

GasX

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
29,033
6
81
Originally posted by: suse920 This is a skunk not a cute little bunny that means no harm.
So as long as an animal is not cute, we can do what we want with it?

By that analogy, I'd get a free pass if I raped a fat chick.

doesn't seem right, does it?


note - I know that is not what the rest of your post implies, but this is ATOT and all replies are to be based on out of context assumptions...
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
52,763
1
0
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Nik, it feels like you're just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it. Do you actually believe the words you are typing?

With the way he hates other human beings, it's doubtful that he'd take compassion with a damn skunk.

I don't hate people until they give me reason to hate them

Originally posted by: suse920
He had no means to kill it other than inhumane methods. Instead he gave it a lot of sleeping pills and let it go. I dont see how you can view this as ' Playing with it" Drugging an animal is the most humane thing you can do to kill it. The skunk didnt die from the pills right away so he let it free. Then the thing passed out in his pool. It not like he was tourturing the animal. if he was i'd be on your side.

Oh? How do you know that he had no other means? You mean, his phone wasn't working? He has no guns? Well, it's California, so I can understand that. If he was so inclined, why didn't he just drop the cage in the pool? Why not just leave the damned thing alone and let it pass?
 

HBalzer

Golden Member
Jul 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: rbrandon
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: rbrandon

You need to sit back, take a breath, and read the post again. IT DID NOT DROWN he scooped it out of the pool and it walked off. Focus on the words IT DID NOT DROWN.

Exactly.

As some are fond of repeating, the OP is *not* a vet. So how would he know whether it's dead?

Again, selective reading does you in, either that or a total brainbusting lack of reading comprehension. He gave it the pills. IT WALKED OUT OF THE CAGE. He did not drag it/force it out of the cage. It walked into the pool. IT DID NOT DROWN. He scooped it out of the pool. IT WALKED AWAY ON ITS OWN. Am i missing something? Where does it say that he abused it? Did he stick an m80 up its ass? No. Did he beat it? No. It walked away to die in its sleep. No different from AC coming to give it a shot of phenobabarbitol in its arm, which would have made it DIE IN ITS SLEEP.

If it walked away, the drugs didn't kill it. They may have possibly worn off. How do you know it's dead?

HEY I GOT A GREAT IDEA

Lets go trapping animals, drugging them, releasing them, watching them disoriented and half-dead, then letting them go? Oh wait, that's being cruel and completely unnecessary.

Exactly, and like I said the line was crossed when he abused the skunk for his pleasure. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn?t have let it go. You all saying he can use any means necessary to get rid of the skunk is silly. Then some sick farmer would rape the goat every night and say he was harassing it to get it to leave.


This is a skunk not a cute little bunny that means no harm. If he went around to harassed bunnies because he didnt like them on his property i think that would be crossing the line. He trapped a pest on his property. He correctly realized it was a danger because it could have sprayed or bitten. But this gy was HUMANE so he decided to just drug it and set it free. It may have not been a legal act, but it was humane. Whats the problem with this?

A skunk is not a ferocious T-Rex either. Skunks aren't predatory. Their first defense (yes, defense. They are not offensive creatures) is their spray. Who the fvck is going to be dumb enough to go after the skunk again after being sprayed? Have you ever been near someone who's been sprayed the smell is almost debilitating. It's the most rancid thing I've ever smelled. If you're dumb enough to get sprayed and go back in closer for more, you deserve to be bitten.

If you're going to set it free, why drug it? And if you intended to drug it so that it wouldn't cause a problem while you had it caged, why set it free while still in your yard? Truth is, the OP didn't intend to set it free at all. He intended to kill it and it's very obvious. Fine, kill it. But don't play with it. Don't drug it, let it out, and watch it drown. Just fvcking get it over with.


He had no means to kill it other than inhumane methods. Instead he gave it a lot of sleeping pills and let it go. I dont see how you can view this as ' Playing with it" Drugging an animal is the most humane thing you can do to kill it. The skunk didnt die from the pills right away so he let it free. Then the thing passed out in his pool. It not like he was tourturing the animal. if he was i'd be on your side.

A shovel or an axe would have done the job. I would have no problem with it if he had just killed it and disposed of it. (Especially if in CA. you have to pay $50) I am speculating here a bit but like I said many times if he wasn?t playing with it why did he waste time giving it sleeping pills letting it go and walk away just to fall in the pool. Then thinking he is so cool comes on ATOT and thinks everyone will think he is cool. Guess that backfired. Also, I agree calling the cops is a little extreme in this case.
 

HBalzer

Golden Member
Jul 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: amoeba
OP got cops called on him. cops did not find anything illegal. Written Law seems to support OP. nobody is questioning whether what OP did is illegal or not except Nik and HBalzer.

this seems like a shut case.

HBalzer, I hope you never become a lawyer.

If you ever need a Lawyer you would hope i was the one.
 

mwtgg

Lifer
Dec 6, 2001
10,491
0
0
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Nik, it feels like you're just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it. Do you actually believe the words you are typing?

With the way he hates other human beings, it's doubtful that he'd take compassion with a damn skunk.

I don't hate people until they give me reason to hate them

You've met every single Mexican and have concluded as such that you hate them?
 

suse920

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2005
6,889
0
0
Originally posted by: HBalzer



He had no means to kill it other than inhumane methods. Instead he gave it a lot of sleeping pills and let it go. I dont see how you can view this as ' Playing with it" Drugging an animal is the most humane thing you can do to kill it. The skunk didnt die from the pills right away so he let it free. Then the thing passed out in his pool. It not like he was tourturing the animal. if he was i'd be on your side.

A shovel or an axe would have done the job. I would have no problem with it if he had just killed it and disposed of it. (Especially if in CA. you have to pay $50) I am speculating here a bit but like I said many times if he wasn?t playing with it why did he waste time giving it sleeping pills letting it go and walk away just to fall in the pool. Then thinking he is so cool comes on ATOT and thinks everyone will think he is cool. Guess that backfired. Also, I agree calling the cops is a little extreme in this case.[/quote]


You expect him to free the skunk from it's trap then hit it with a shovel or axe? thats rediculous. How is that more humane that drugging the animal? Even druging the animal and them throwing the cage in the pool would be better than that.
 

five40

Golden Member
Oct 4, 2004
1,875
0
0
Maybe I don't know the whole story...but I just don't see the big deal about this. OP catches skunk. OP drugs and releases skunk in hopes that he leaves property. Releasing a drugged skunked seems safer to me (probably much less likely to spray or bite you), then just releasing the skunk that already has interest in coming on your property. Also, if the OP wanted to kill the skunk, why not let him drown in the pool? Aren't the drugs basically like tranquilizer's...which are used ALL the time on animals to capture and re-release them. Whoever called the police is a moron.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,712
427
126
tbqhwy.com
i also dont understand why you are all sooo upset

you all kill kittens many times a day, perhaps we shoudl call the cops on you
 

HBalzer

Golden Member
Jul 17, 2005
1,259
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Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: HBalzer



He had no means to kill it other than inhumane methods. Instead he gave it a lot of sleeping pills and let it go. I dont see how you can view this as ' Playing with it" Drugging an animal is the most humane thing you can do to kill it. The skunk didnt die from the pills right away so he let it free. Then the thing passed out in his pool. It not like he was tourturing the animal. if he was i'd be on your side.

A shovel or an axe would have done the job. I would have no problem with it if he had just killed it and disposed of it. (Especially if in CA. you have to pay $50) I am speculating here a bit but like I said many times if he wasn?t playing with it why did he waste time giving it sleeping pills letting it go and walk away just to fall in the pool. Then thinking he is so cool comes on ATOT and thinks everyone will think he is cool. Guess that backfired. Also, I agree calling the cops is a little extreme in this case.


You expect him to free the skunk from it's trap then hit it with a shovel or axe? thats rediculous. How is that more humane that drugging the animal? Even druging the animal and them throwing the cage in the pool would be better than that.[/quote]

A shovel is considered a humane way to kill an animal. Quick any easy. And the point was why didn?t he finish the job. The answer he was bored with it and went to find something else to play with.
 

rbrandon

Banned
Oct 10, 2002
423
0
0
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Exactly, and like I said the line was crossed when he abused the skunk for his pleasure. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn?t have let it go. You all saying he can use any means necessary to get rid of the skunk is silly. Then some sick farmer would rape the goat every night and say he was harassing it to get it to leave.

Bestiality isn't a legal method. Sorry.

That is what i've been trying to get across to you all, there are methods that aren't legal. I asked for the law on that around pg 4 and someone gave me the definition of take

His method was completely legal. What's your point?

How do you know? The fact is he did it for his enjoyment. If he was worried about getting sprayed he wouldn't have been out there feeding it. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn't have been playing with it and wouldn't have let it go.


where did he say hge enjoyed it? maybe its me, maybe i missed the part where he kicked back with a few cold ones to watch this
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
13,972
3,310
146
lol id like to see someone try to take out a skunk with a shovel. Even a drugged skunk. Especially a skunk in a cage, lol.
 

novasatori

Diamond Member
Feb 27, 2003
3,851
1
0
Originally posted by: HBalzer

A shovel is considered a humane way to kill an animal. Quick any easy. And the point was why didn?t he finish the job. The answer he was bored with it and went to find something else to play with.


He stated he thought it was dead, so I imagine he also thought he finished the job. Saying as several hours (presumeably) later it was gone, he was wrong, as he said himself in a follow up post.
 

suse920

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2005
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0
0
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: HBalzer



He had no means to kill it other than inhumane methods. Instead he gave it a lot of sleeping pills and let it go. I dont see how you can view this as ' Playing with it" Drugging an animal is the most humane thing you can do to kill it. The skunk didnt die from the pills right away so he let it free. Then the thing passed out in his pool. It not like he was tourturing the animal. if he was i'd be on your side.

A shovel or an axe would have done the job. I would have no problem with it if he had just killed it and disposed of it. (Especially if in CA. you have to pay $50) I am speculating here a bit but like I said many times if he wasn?t playing with it why did he waste time giving it sleeping pills letting it go and walk away just to fall in the pool. Then thinking he is so cool comes on ATOT and thinks everyone will think he is cool. Guess that backfired. Also, I agree calling the cops is a little extreme in this case.


You expect him to free the skunk from it's trap then hit it with a shovel or axe? thats rediculous. How is that more humane that drugging the animal? Even druging the animal and them throwing the cage in the pool would be better than that.

A shovel is considered a humane way to kill an animal. Quick any easy. And the point was why didn?t he finish the job. The answer he was bored with it and went to find something else to play with.
[/quote]


... killing a skunk with a shovel probibly wouldnt be so "quick and easy" They are rather large animals. It could take two three maybe four hits with a shovel to completely kill it. How is this anymore humane than drugging the animal and hoping it dies?
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,712
427
126
tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: rbrandon
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Exactly, and like I said the line was crossed when he abused the skunk for his pleasure. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn?t have let it go. You all saying he can use any means necessary to get rid of the skunk is silly. Then some sick farmer would rape the goat every night and say he was harassing it to get it to leave.

Bestiality isn't a legal method. Sorry.

That is what i've been trying to get across to you all, there are methods that aren't legal. I asked for the law on that around pg 4 and someone gave me the definition of take

His method was completely legal. What's your point?

How do you know? The fact is he did it for his enjoyment. If he was worried about getting sprayed he wouldn't have been out there feeding it. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn't have been playing with it and wouldn't have let it go.


where did he say hge enjoyed it? maybe its me, maybe i missed the part where he kicked back with a few cold ones to watch this

i missed that also

all i see is HBalzer and Nik compairing the size of the douche required to clean their monstorous vag
 

amoeba

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2003
3,162
1
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Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: amoeba
OP got cops called on him. cops did not find anything illegal. Written Law seems to support OP. nobody is questioning whether what OP did is illegal or not except Nik and HBalzer.

this seems like a shut case.

HBalzer, I hope you never become a lawyer.

If you ever need a Lawyer you would hope i was the one.



are you saying that lawyer is your profession?
 

suse920

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2005
6,889
0
0
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: amoeba
OP got cops called on him. cops did not find anything illegal. Written Law seems to support OP. nobody is questioning whether what OP did is illegal or not except Nik and HBalzer.

this seems like a shut case.

HBalzer, I hope you never become a lawyer.

If you ever need a Lawyer you would hope i was the one.



are you saying that lawyer is your profession?


oh god i hope not.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
52,763
1
0
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Nik, it feels like you're just playing devil's advocate for the hell of it. Do you actually believe the words you are typing?

With the way he hates other human beings, it's doubtful that he'd take compassion with a damn skunk.

I don't hate people until they give me reason to hate them

You've met every single Mexican and have concluded as such that you hate them?

Of course I haven't met them all and of course I don't hate them all.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
78,712
427
126
tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: amoeba
OP got cops called on him. cops did not find anything illegal. Written Law seems to support OP. nobody is questioning whether what OP did is illegal or not except Nik and HBalzer.

this seems like a shut case.

HBalzer, I hope you never become a lawyer.

If you ever need a Lawyer you would hope i was the one.



are you saying that lawyer is your profession?


oh god i hope not.

it woudl aid in explaining why the judicial sustem is a fvcked as it is
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
14,644
10
81
Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, everyone defending the OP.

Why do you think they mehod he used to get rid of the pest is humane? For the record, in the original thread he said he gave it 4 or so different pills, and about 3-5 of each, then he released it next to a pool, where it drown to death. I don't know WTF actually happened, but that's what was said in the thread that supposedly got reported.

How is that method humane?

thank you, but i read the original thread. i didn't need your narrative.

Thank you, but obviously a lot of others didn't.

This wasn't directed to you specificaly, since you did read it.

Also, the OP has edited his posts in the original thread to contain nothing, so some people are confused. I read the original thread when it was created, so I was recapping. If it didn't help you move on, OK?

No one needed your useless reply.
 

suse920

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2005
6,889
0
0
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: rbrandon
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Exactly, and like I said the line was crossed when he abused the skunk for his pleasure. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn?t have let it go. You all saying he can use any means necessary to get rid of the skunk is silly. Then some sick farmer would rape the goat every night and say he was harassing it to get it to leave.

Bestiality isn't a legal method. Sorry.

That is what i've been trying to get across to you all, there are methods that aren't legal. I asked for the law on that around pg 4 and someone gave me the definition of take

His method was completely legal. What's your point?

How do you know? The fact is he did it for his enjoyment. If he was worried about getting sprayed he wouldn't have been out there feeding it. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn't have been playing with it and wouldn't have let it go.


where did he say hge enjoyed it? maybe its me, maybe i missed the part where he kicked back with a few cold ones to watch this

i missed that also

all i see is HBalzer and Nik compairing the size of the douche required to clean their monstorous vag

hahaha that was soo unexpected... that was great.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
52,763
1
0
Originally posted by: rbrandon
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: neutralizer
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: HBalzer
Exactly, and like I said the line was crossed when he abused the skunk for his pleasure. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn?t have let it go. You all saying he can use any means necessary to get rid of the skunk is silly. Then some sick farmer would rape the goat every night and say he was harassing it to get it to leave.

Bestiality isn't a legal method. Sorry.

That is what i've been trying to get across to you all, there are methods that aren't legal. I asked for the law on that around pg 4 and someone gave me the definition of take

His method was completely legal. What's your point?

How do you know? The fact is he did it for his enjoyment. If he was worried about getting sprayed he wouldn't have been out there feeding it. If he felt it was a threat he wouldn't have been playing with it and wouldn't have let it go.


where did he say hge enjoyed it? maybe its me, maybe i missed the part where he kicked back with a few cold ones to watch this

If he wasn't doing it for his pleasure, he just would have been done with it and left it alone. He wouldn't have toyed with it.
 
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