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[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
OMG...First, I don't believe some nut called the cops on you!

You trapped a NUICANSE in your yard which posed a serious risk to you, your family, and your neighbors.
You disposed of this said risk.

From some of the posts you would think he decapitated his child! He did not trap his neighbor?s child, he trapped a SKUNK No, I am not an animal hater, but I can delineate between humans and animals.


What other options did he have? None.

Perhaps the animal lovers (I would insert whatever word you would like here - I'm don't want anyone calling the cops on me) would have volunteered to drive to your house, and take the animal skunk to their house so that he could have sprayed their car, bit their family, and shared the rabies wealth.

Trapping it and calling the proper authorities would have been the right thing to do. I?m not sure about California but here you don?t have to pay animal control to come and take away a wild animal.

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Animal control DOES NOT EQUAL Fish & Game

F&G regs overrule AC regs.

Animal would have just removed the animal and destroyed it in a humane manner.

FIXED.

It was a humane manner. If the skunk indeed died from the sleeping pills, it was painless.

The original thread said it drown to death. How is that humane?

Sigh not this again.

He thought it drowned to death, but had left the premises by a later time, thus was presumeably NOT dead. He also never mentioned releasing it >NEXT< to a pool, it walked around the house and into the pool itself.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Animal control DOES NOT EQUAL Fish & Game

F&G regs overrule AC regs.

Animal would have just removed the animal and destroyed it in a humane manner.

FIXED.

It was a humane manner. If the skunk indeed died from the sleeping pills, it was painless.

The original thread said it drown to death. How is that humane?

It fell into the pool and the OP scooped it out. It didn't necessarily drown to death. We don't even know if it is dead.

That's not what he said in the original thread, which is what got him reported.

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

 

[rbrandon]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: labgeek
What I like... giving sleeping pills = cruelty.

Last time I checked, wasn't OD'ing on sleeping pills the "easy painless way" to commit suicide? You just go to sleep and not wake up. So what he should have shot it instead?

Nah, the cruelty part is where he drugged it AFTER he already had it trapped. Trap it, take it off the property, and release it like the law says you're supposed to in California. Not trap it, drug it, release it next to the pool, let it drown, etc.

ACtually, if you bothered to READ the California code on this, it specifically says NOT TO RELEASE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT because of it spreading rabies to any other animals in the area you drop it off. Also, if you had bothered to READ (I know it's hard, try though) CAlifornia animal control charges you 50 bucks to neutralize it. they dont pick these things up. I'll tell you what, next time i trap a skunk, how bout YOU reach into your pockets and pay the fee so it could be done the "right" way. I don't think you would, though, so piss off with your bleeding-heart preaching.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: novasatori
He doesn't have to call animal control it says that they can be taken for threatening property. IMO that is pretty vague and could be so far as just being on your yard if you have pets or kids present.

If anything OP has learned to next time use a gun.

According to the vague law, the OP should legally be able to beat it to death with a baseball bat or a skateboard too. Hey, why not douse him with gasoline and set him on fire, roasting marshmallows? Why not give it a muscle relaxant so it can't run away, then shove an air compressor up it's ass and blow it to bits?

Of course those are extreme cases, but trapping it, drugging it, releasing it in the same spot, and watching it crawl around, fall into the pool and drown isn't really any better in my opinion.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Link or shens.

guessing this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1656511&enterthread=y
he edited out all of his posts (he killed a skunk somehow -- looks like sleeping pills)

LOL! How is that illegal? That is prolly the MOST humane way to kill a skunk.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
OMG...First, I don't believe some nut called the cops on you!

You trapped a NUICANSE in your yard which posed a serious risk to you, your family, and your neighbors.
You disposed of this said risk.

From some of the posts you would think he decapitated his child! He did not trap his neighbor?s child, he trapped a SKUNK No, I am not an animal hater, but I can delineate between humans and animals.


What other options did he have? None.

Perhaps the animal lovers (I would insert whatever word you would like here - I'm don't want anyone calling the cops on me) would have volunteered to drive to your house, and take the animal skunk to their house so that he could have sprayed their car, bit their family, and shared the rabies wealth.

Trapping it and calling the proper authorities would have been the right thing to do. I?m not sure about California but here you don?t have to pay animal control to come and take away a wild animal.

So he waits the hours for animal control to show up while the potentially infected shunk starts spraying?

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: tami
i can understand how and why people take matters into their own hands. this is not to say i am condoning it. still, i am of the opinion of my vet friend (scroll up) that the skunk, if really dead, did not endure pain and therefore it was not "animal cruelty."

Funny, I asked this very question in a little different manner. That is, since people choose pills as a painless way to committ suicide is it really cruelty? Maybe they'll address this avenue of discussion now. But then "I contribute nothing of substance" anyway, so what do I know.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

It's relevant because the OP now has to deal with legal crap because someone thought their morals were superior to the OPs and needed to inflict him with said superior morality.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, everyone defending the OP.

Why do you think they mehod he used to get rid of the pest is humane? For the record, in the original thread he said he gave it 4 or so different pills, and about 3-5 of each, then he released it next to a pool, where it drown. I don't know WTF actually happened, but that's what was said in the thread that supposedly got reported.

How is that method humane?

So what's your alternative?

I don't know, anything that lead directly to it's death instead of playing around with it.

Bullet, drowning, break it's neck, I don't give a rats ass, just don't play with it.

 

[meltdown75]

bah. half the idiots b1tching about cruelty to animals were bragging about the myriad of ways they love to torture insects last week.

what's the difference. this is the mehest controversy ever. drama queens

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: aircooled
What he did was legal, but I would have taken a different approach and called animal conrol.

LEGAL STATUS
The California Fish and Game Code classifies skunks as nongame mammals. Nongame mammals that are injuring or threatening property may be taken by the owner or tenant of the premises at any time and in any legal manner. Fish and Game regulations prohibit the relocation of skunks and other wildlife without written permission of the Department of Fish and Game. The prevalence of rabies in the skunk population is one of several major reasons for denying relocation. For further information on the legal status of skunks, contact the California Department of Fish and Game.

/thread Nik.

I fail to see in there where it says the tenant can kill the animal. It says in any legal manner. So that is the law you need to provide to prove what he did was legal.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Animal control DOES NOT EQUAL Fish & Game

F&G regs overrule AC regs.

Animal would have just removed the animal and destroyed it in a humane manner.

FIXED.

It was a humane manner. If the skunk indeed died from the sleeping pills, it was painless.

The original thread said it drown to death. How is that humane?

It fell into the pool and the OP scooped it out. It didn't necessarily drown to death. We don't even know if it is dead.

That's not what he said in the original thread, which is what got him reported.

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

Since he intended for it to die by sleeping pills how is the skunk accidentally falling into the pool while almost sedated any less humane. At least he bothered to fish it out of the pool. In the eyes of the law, he didn't do anything illegal.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, everyone defending the OP.

Why do you think they mehod he used to get rid of the pest is humane? For the record, in the original thread he said he gave it 4 or so different pills, and about 3-5 of each, then he released it next to a pool, where it drown. I don't know WTF actually happened, but that's what was said in the thread that supposedly got reported.

How is that method humane?

So what's your alternative?

did it really drown? if this was true:

1) it walked out of the cage
2) it walked around the house and into the pool
3) I pulled it out with a net within 30 seconds
4) it was gone the next morning

how did it disappear the next morning?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

It's relevant because the OP now has to deal with legal crap because someone thought their morals were superior to the OPs and needed to inflict him with said superior morality.

Which is a good reason not to lie, on the internet or otherwise. I don't think reporting him was necessary either.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: aircooled
What he did was legal, but I would have taken a different approach and called animal conrol.

LEGAL STATUS
The California Fish and Game Code classifies skunks as nongame mammals. Nongame mammals that are injuring or threatening property may be taken by the owner or tenant of the premises at any time and in any legal manner. Fish and Game regulations prohibit the relocation of skunks and other wildlife without written permission of the Department of Fish and Game. The prevalence of rabies in the skunk population is one of several major reasons for denying relocation. For further information on the legal status of skunks, contact the California Department of Fish and Game.

/thread Nik.

I fail to see in there where it says the tenant can kill the animal. It says in any legal manner. So that is the law you need to provide to prove what he did was legal.

take
v. took, (tk) tak·en, (tkn) tak·ing, takes
v. tr.
To get into one's possession by force, skill, or artifice, especially:
To capture physically; seize: take an enemy fortress.
To seize with authority; confiscate.
To kill, snare, or trap (fish or game, for example).
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Sports & Games. To defeat: Our team took the visitors three to one.
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[OrByte]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Animal control DOES NOT EQUAL Fish & Game

F&G regs overrule AC regs.

Animal would have just removed the animal and destroyed it in a humane manner.

FIXED.

It was a humane manner. If the skunk indeed died from the sleeping pills, it was painless.

The original thread said it drown to death. How is that humane?

It fell into the pool and the OP scooped it out. It didn't necessarily drown to death. We don't even know if it is dead.

That's not what he said in the original thread, which is what got him reported.

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

Since he intended for it to die by sleeping pills how is the skunk accidentally falling into the pool while almost sedated any less humane. At least he bothered to fish it out of the pool. In the eyes of the law, he didn't do anything illegal.

however some idiot thought they would be a smart ass and report him anyway. I wish the person who did that would speak up...lowlife.

I am beginning to think this is all shens tho..OP, who actually came to your door over this?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: labgeek
What I like... giving sleeping pills = cruelty.

Last time I checked, wasn't OD'ing on sleeping pills the "easy painless way" to commit suicide? You just go to sleep and not wake up. So what he should have shot it instead?

Nah, the cruelty part is where he drugged it AFTER he already had it trapped. Trap it, take it off the property, and release it like the law says you're supposed to in California. Not trap it, drug it, release it next to the pool, let it drown, etc.

ACtually, if you bothered to READ the California code on this, it specifically says NOT TO RELEASE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT because of it spreading rabies to any other animals in the area you drop it off. Also, if you had bothered to READ (I know it's hard, try though) CAlifornia animal control charges you 50 bucks to neutralize it. they dont pick these things up. I'll tell you what, next time i trap a skunk, how bout YOU reach into your pockets and pay the fee so it could be done the "right" way. I don't think you would, though, so piss off with your bleeding-heart preaching.

So you're saying that it's better to mistreat and abuse the animal because you can't be bothered to pay $50?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Animal control DOES NOT EQUAL Fish & Game

F&G regs overrule AC regs.

Animal would have just removed the animal and destroyed it in a humane manner.

FIXED.

It was a humane manner. If the skunk indeed died from the sleeping pills, it was painless.

The original thread said it drown to death. How is that humane?

It fell into the pool and the OP scooped it out. It didn't necessarily drown to death. We don't even know if it is dead.

That's not what he said in the original thread, which is what got him reported.

What actually happened is kinda irrelevant as to why he got reported. That only matters in the eyes of the law.

Since he intended for it to die by sleeping pills how is the skunk accidentally falling into the pool while almost sedated any less humane. At least he bothered to fish it out of the pool. In the eyes of the law, he didn't do anything illegal.

He's not qualified to dose the drugs. Giving it the drugs alone is probably illegal. The result was he didn't kill it with them, AND released it all doped up (depending on what version of the story you believe).

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
OMG...First, I don't believe some nut called the cops on you!

You trapped a NUICANSE in your yard which posed a serious risk to you, your family, and your neighbors.
You disposed of this said risk.

From some of the posts you would think he decapitated his child! He did not trap his neighbor?s child, he trapped a SKUNK No, I am not an animal hater, but I can delineate between humans and animals.


What other options did he have? None.

Perhaps the animal lovers (I would insert whatever word you would like here - I'm don't want anyone calling the cops on me) would have volunteered to drive to your house, and take the animal skunk to their house so that he could have sprayed their car, bit their family, and shared the rabies wealth.

Trapping it and calling the proper authorities would have been the right thing to do. I?m not sure about California but here you don?t have to pay animal control to come and take away a wild animal.

So he waits the hours for animal control to show up while the potentially infected shunk starts spraying?

Many skunks won't just start spraying unless they see a real threat. If he had trapped it and left it alone it most likely wouldn't have sprayed and even if it did i don't think you can get rabies from skunk spray.

 

[rbrandon]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 50
Exactly...what did you think taken meant bring them inside give them a bath then call the authorities to put them in a foster home???

BTW Armenk let us know if any legal action is taken against you. Also, all armenk has to do is say the skunk could've been alive after it was in the pool. It's not like he was responsible to check the skunk's pulse, for all he knows it could've walked away or another animal could've eaten it during the night.

He could have left it in the cage while Animal Control showed up to properly tend to the animal.

They would have taken care of it alright. By putting it to sleep. For 50 bucks. He did this for free.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: labgeek
What I like... giving sleeping pills = cruelty.

Last time I checked, wasn't OD'ing on sleeping pills the "easy painless way" to commit suicide? You just go to sleep and not wake up. So what he should have shot it instead?

Nah, the cruelty part is where he drugged it AFTER he already had it trapped. Trap it, take it off the property, and release it like the law says you're supposed to in California. Not trap it, drug it, release it next to the pool, let it drown, etc.

ACtually, if you bothered to READ the California code on this, it specifically says NOT TO RELEASE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT because of it spreading rabies to any other animals in the area you drop it off. Also, if you had bothered to READ (I know it's hard, try though) CAlifornia animal control charges you 50 bucks to neutralize it. they dont pick these things up. I'll tell you what, next time i trap a skunk, how bout YOU reach into your pockets and pay the fee so it could be done the "right" way. I don't think you would, though, so piss off with your bleeding-heart preaching.

So you're saying that it's better to mistreat and abuse the animal because you can't be bothered to pay $50?

Again how did he mistreat and abuse the animal? He put it down the sleeping pills, the most humane way possible. Animal control would have done the same. The OP pretty saved himself the hassle of waiting for animal control to arrive and paying $50.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
OMG...First, I don't believe some nut called the cops on you!

You trapped a NUICANSE in your yard which posed a serious risk to you, your family, and your neighbors.
You disposed of this said risk.

From some of the posts you would think he decapitated his child! He did not trap his neighbor?s child, he trapped a SKUNK No, I am not an animal hater, but I can delineate between humans and animals.


What other options did he have? None.

Perhaps the animal lovers (I would insert whatever word you would like here - I'm don't want anyone calling the cops on me) would have volunteered to drive to your house, and take the animal skunk to their house so that he could have sprayed their car, bit their family, and shared the rabies wealth.

Trapping it and calling the proper authorities would have been the right thing to do. I?m not sure about California but here you don?t have to pay animal control to come and take away a wild animal.

So he waits the hours for animal control to show up while the potentially infected shunk starts spraying?

Many skunks won't just start spraying unless they see a real threat. If he had trapped it and left it alone it most likely wouldn't have sprayed and even if it did i don't think you can get rabies from skunk spray.

if he'd left it alone we wouldn't have this wonderful thread to nef on!

 

[rbrandon]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: novasatori
What do you think animal control would have done with it?

They can't relocate it and I find it hard to believe they would have gone around the corner and released it back into a residential area.

Animal Control can't relocate it? For christ's sake they're part of the government. They can do whatever they goddamn want to. They DO relocate animals. It's their job. What part of "Animal Control" do you not understand?

What part of the spreading rabies part do you not understand?

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: Nik
So you're saying that it's better to mistreat and abuse the animal because you can't be bothered to pay $50?

Nik, you OF ALL PEOPLE, have no right to say what someone else will and won't pay.