Today, I leave anandtech.

[pkypkypky]

Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
dude you never should've talked about this in the first place if your gonna torture the skunk.

After the whole ordeal, to actually login and share it with us as if it's a normal occurence is interesting to say the least. Of course, the skunk isn't AS domesticated as a dog or cat (or etc), but then again, premeditating the drugging of any animal is out of my league. Rats are considered verminous in our society yet most of us wouldn't attempt to *experiment* with them in such a degree. Like they say, it's the thought that counts. We're not exactly talking about burning ants or swatting flies here.

I'm interested in what the mods' view of this actual situation is. As for the OP, I find it 'interesting' that he feels like the victim in this whole situation. Enough of a victim to start this thread to say the least. I think we've all lost some sort of perspective here.

 

[TNTrulez]

It's not animal cruelty.

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky

Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
dude you never should've talked about this in the first place if your gonna torture the skunk.

After the whole ordeal, to actually login and share it with us as if it's a normal occurence is interesting to say the least. Of course, the skunk isn't AS domesticated as a dog or cat (or etc), but then again, premeditating the drugging of any animal is out of my league. Rats are considered verminous in our society yet most of us wouldn't attempt to *experiment* with them in such a degree. Like they say, it's the thought that counts. We're not exactly talking about burning ants or swatting flies here.

I'm interested in what the mods' view of this actual situation is. As for the OP, I find it 'interesting' that he feels like the victim in this whole situation. Enough of a victim to start this thread to say the least. I think we've all lost some sort of perspective here.

I read the original thread before he edited his posts, in no way did I see him trying to *experiment* with the skunk. This is how I understand it went down.

1. Skunk gets stuck in trap lying in back yard (not sure why trap was there to begin with)
2. OP contemplates how to get rid of skunk. He could have killed it, but instead he looked for a way to let it go.
3. OP comes up with the plan to sedate the skunk (not the best plan in hindsight), so that he can release it without being sprayed by the skunk (please don't tell me anyone expected him to take a spray just to free the skunk)
4. Skunk exhibits drowsiness, most likely poses no threat of spraying OP now.
5. OP lets skunk out of trap, in hope of it wondering on its merry way.
6. Instead skunk decides to go for a swim in the pool. (Most likely due to the sedation)
7. OP scoops skunk out of pool with net as soon as possible.
8. Skunk doesn't move, assumes it drowned, posts pics in thread (Although the last part might sound odd, you know how people always want pics in OT)
9. OP doesn't know what to do with possibly dead skunk, leaves it there to deal with in morning and goes to bed.
10. OP wakes up next morning, lo and behold, skunk is gone. The only logical answer is that the skunk had just passed out, and upon waking up decided to high tail it out of there.

I see the OP doing nothing wrong. Sure sedating the skunk may not have been 'humane' in hindsight, but at the time I can see how it was the best option he could think of. In the end all things worked out ok for the skunk, so why is this still being discussed??

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
dude you never should've talked about this in the first place if your gonna torture the skunk.

There was no torture. Giving sleeping pills to an animal is not torture. Dousing gasoline and setting it on fire might be considered torture. Cutting its arms and legs off with a rusty dull blade is torture. Making it watch Chuck Norris movies is torture. Who can consider death by sleeping really torture?

 

[jerryjg]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Here is where I get flamed and I dont care. I read only enough of this thread to learn what he did and not many of the arguments.

What he did to that skunk was cruel and totally fvcked up. If it is not a illegal, it should be and I can only hope that the OP finds his version of Life's Big Wheel where he gets what he deserves.

Flame away.

Karen Maries the one who got me banned for two weeks on a personal vendetta. Its not beyond her to have called the cops.

 

[jerryjg]

Originally posted by: rhino56
perhaps you really didnt realize what you were doing and didnt care about that animal.
maybe you cant care care about anything at all anyways.
either way there is a price to pay.

heres another good candidate for who called the cops-its almost like a movie psycho post..

 

[jerryjg]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: JasonSix78
Wow, some of you people are so passionate about animals, yet, when it comes to the well being of humans you could care less. It's sad really. I wish you people would use some of that passion to actually do something beneficial to society.

-Jason

its not a big step from torturing and killing animals to doing the same with people. I've seen people booting small dogs (and at the end killing it) and laughing and have seen/heard of people killing cats, dogs, skunks whatseover and LAUGH about it.

Who do you think has more "psycho"-potential ? Someone who kills animals and gives a sh*t and think it's funny - or someone who cares ?

Also..in regards to that thread in general...WTF did he come up with the idea to drug the skunk when it it was already in a cage ?

And...why did he release the skunk after he drugged it ?

That the skunk died is just a logical consequence of those stupid actions - and therefore irresponsible and cruel.

I do NOT know what AC would've done - MAUBE they would have killed it, maybe not. Anyway its important to point out that it's not ok that people can do stuff to their likings to animals as they wish.

The absolute right thing woud've been him calling AC...and not come up with some weird ideas like drugging him and releasing him afterwards - and, even better, (obviously) openly ask in public how to kill it ? (Whatever actually the reason was that this skunk had to die..if its TRUE that he asked around here. Why ? Because it was on his property ??? Because he doesnt like skunks ? Etc..etc....ergo: Kill him ????
WHat fVcked reasoning is behind there.....scuse me.

anotherone who might be the person who called the cops

 

[jerryjg]

Originally posted by: JImmyK

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: neutralizer
You didn't even do anything illegal. Damn people with too much time on their hands.

How is trapping, drugging and releasing a wild animal next to the pool NOT cruelty to animals? I hope the asshole burns!

Dude your an asshat, Im so glad tygrve owned you that time, you so deserved it, I hope your not such a big ahole in real life. Go get a life and stop being an e-Prick.

this guy is definitly on the short list of the ones who might have called the police.

 

[pkypkypky]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot

Originally posted by: pkypkypky

Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
dude you never should've talked about this in the first place if your gonna torture the skunk.

After the whole ordeal, to actually login and share it with us as if it's a normal occurence is interesting to say the least. Of course, the skunk isn't AS domesticated as a dog or cat (or etc), but then again, premeditating the drugging of any animal is out of my league. Rats are considered verminous in our society yet most of us wouldn't attempt to *experiment* with them in such a degree. Like they say, it's the thought that counts. We're not exactly talking about burning ants or swatting flies here.

I'm interested in what the mods' view of this actual situation is. As for the OP, I find it 'interesting' that he feels like the victim in this whole situation. Enough of a victim to start this thread to say the least. I think we've all lost some sort of perspective here.

I read the original thread before he edited his posts, in no way did I see him trying to *experiment* with the skunk. This is how I understand it went down.

1. Skunk gets stuck in trap lying in back yard (not sure why trap was there to begin with)
2. OP contemplates how to get rid of skunk. He could have killed it, but instead he looked for a way to let it go.
3. OP comes up with the plan to sedate the skunk (not the best plan in hindsight), so that he can release it without being sprayed by the skunk (please don't tell me anyone expected him to take a spray just to free the skunk)
4. Skunk exhibits drowsiness, most likely poses no threat of spraying OP now.
5. OP lets skunk out of trap, in hope of it wondering on its merry way.
6. Instead skunk decides to go for a swim in the pool. (Most likely due to the sedation)
7. OP scoops skunk out of pool with net as soon as possible.
8. Skunk doesn't move, assumes it drowned, posts pics in thread (Although the last part might sound odd, you know how people always want pics in OT)
9. OP doesn't know what to do with possibly dead skunk, leaves it there to deal with in morning and goes to bed.
10. OP wakes up next morning, lo and behold, skunk is gone. The only logical answer is that the skunk had just passed out, and upon waking up decided to high tail it out of there.

I see the OP doing nothing wrong. Sure sedating the skunk may not have been 'humane' in hindsight, but at the time I can see how it was the best option he could think of. In the end all things worked out ok for the skunk, so why is this still being discussed??

And how do you give a skunk cat food mixed with a dozen sleeping pills in the first place without being sprayed? I guess there is a way to do it, but yea....it would have been nice to hear the whole story. And if he's trapped in the case, I would think calling the authorities would be somewhat reasonable compared to what occured.

 

[KK]

I can't believe how some folks are so fvcked in their head that they would report this incident to any authorities. It's a damn skunk for christs sakes. You need to find out who the hell turned you in and then turn them in to DFACs for child abuse anomously(sp??).

 

[pkypkypky]

Originally posted by: Zee

Originally posted by: infestedgh0st
dude you never should've talked about this in the first place if your gonna torture the skunk.

There was no torture. Giving sleeping pills to an animal is not torture. Dousing gasoline and setting it on fire might be considered torture. Cutting its arms and legs off with a rusty dull blade is torture. Making it watch Chuck Norris movies is torture. Who can consider death by sleeping really torture?

Since you're being so fair, if someone drugs you without your knowledge that isn't technically tortore. I see your point. It's a valid point that everyone is trying to prove yet means very little. Shooting the animal in the head with a shotgun is not exactly torture either. The sooner we give up with the PETA-aspect of it all, the sooner we can get to what's more important.

 

[Brian23]

I'll let you know it wasn't me who reported you. I hope you get through this alright.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jerryjg

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Here is where I get flamed and I dont care. I read only enough of this thread to learn what he did and not many of the arguments.

What he did to that skunk was cruel and totally fvcked up. If it is not a illegal, it should be and I can only hope that the OP finds his version of Life's Big Wheel where he gets what he deserves.

Flame away.

Karen Maries the one who got me banned for two weeks on a personal vendetta. Its not beyond her to have called the cops.

Much like 99.9% of the rest of us here, Karen Marie has ZERO control over who gets banned and who doesn't. You got banned because Anandtech Moderator thought you should be banned. Don't blame Karen, blame yourself.

Secondly, why are you so concerned with who called the cops? Why does it matter? What will that knowledge gain you? What will you do with that knowledge? What, you going to beat them up or something?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: jerryjg

Originally posted by: JImmyK

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: neutralizer
You didn't even do anything illegal. Damn people with too much time on their hands.

How is trapping, drugging and releasing a wild animal next to the pool NOT cruelty to animals? I hope the asshole burns!

Dude your an asshat, Im so glad tygrve owned you that time, you so deserved it, I hope your not such a big ahole in real life. Go get a life and stop being an e-Prick.

this guy is definitly on the short list of the ones who might have called the police.

Wow, another mental midget flailing his arms and screaming. :roll:

As stated earlier in this thread if you would have fscking read the whole goddamn thing, look at my reaction to this thread, smart guy. Would I have left the previous thread alone if I had seen it? Of course not; I would have been all over it too. What does this tell us, kids? That I, along with others, didn't see the original thread until this one was posted.

Even so, more dumbass fvcksteaks are probably going to start pointing unfounded fingers. Oh well. Their loss (of brain cells), not mine.

 

[imported_Kensai]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: jerryjg

Originally posted by: JImmyK

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: neutralizer
You didn't even do anything illegal. Damn people with too much time on their hands.

How is trapping, drugging and releasing a wild animal next to the pool NOT cruelty to animals? I hope the asshole burns!

Dude your an asshat, Im so glad tygrve owned you that time, you so deserved it, I hope your not such a big ahole in real life. Go get a life and stop being an e-Prick.

this guy is definitly on the short list of the ones who might have called the police.

Wow, another mental midget flailing his arms and screaming. :roll:

As stated earlier in this thread if you would have fscking read the whole goddamn thing, look at my reaction to this thread, smart guy. Would I have left the previous thread alone if I had seen it? Of course not; I would have been all over it too. What does this tell us, kids? That I, along with others, didn't see the original thread until this one was posted.

Even so, more dumbass fvcksteaks are probably going to start pointing unfounded fingers. Oh well. Their loss (of brain cells), not mine.

I lost brain cells reading this..

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: bigrash
dont come back!

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: 50
Exactly...what did you think taken meant bring them inside give them a bath then call the authorities to put them in a foster home???

BTW Armenk let us know if any legal action is taken against you. Also, all armenk has to do is say the skunk could've been alive after it was in the pool. It's not like he was responsible to check the skunk's pulse, for all he knows it could've walked away or another animal could've eaten it during the night.

He should have left it in the cage while Animal Control showed up to properly tend to the animal.

I have to agree with Nik on this as much as i hate to admit it.

all of you are stupid. don't come back.

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: aircooled
What he did was legal, but I would have taken a different approach and called animal conrol.

LEGAL STATUS
The California Fish and Game Code classifies skunks as nongame mammals. Nongame mammals that are injuring or threatening property may be taken by the owner or tenant of the premises at any time and in any legal manner. Fish and Game regulations prohibit the relocation of skunks and other wildlife without written permission of the Department of Fish and Game. The prevalence of rabies in the skunk population is one of several major reasons for denying relocation. For further information on the legal status of skunks, contact the California Department of Fish and Game.

Based on this, I feel that whoever called the police on him needs to mind their own business and GET A FVCKING LIFE.

QFT. Why would you care any way, its a frickin' skunk on his property - he had every right to do what he did if he did in fact do it.

you're stupid

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, everyone defending the OP.

Why do you think they mehod he used to get rid of the pest is humane? For the record, in the original thread he said he gave it 4 or so different pills, and about 3-5 of each, then he released it next to a pool, where it drown. I don't know WTF actually happened, but that's what was said in the thread that supposedly got reported.

How is that method humane?

So what's your alternative?

I don't know, anything that lead directly to it's death instead of playing around with it.

Bullet, drowning, break it's neck, I don't give a rats ass, just don't play with it.

yeah don't be a dumb ass, leave the animal alone

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, everyone defending the OP.

Why do you think they mehod he used to get rid of the pest is humane? For the record, in the original thread he said he gave it 4 or so different pills, and about 3-5 of each, then he released it next to a pool, where it drown. I don't know WTF actually happened, but that's what was said in the thread that supposedly got reported.

How is that method humane?

So what's your alternative?

did it really drown? if this was true:

1) it walked out of the cage
2) it walked around the house and into the pool
3) I pulled it out with a net within 30 seconds
4) it was gone the next morning

how did it disappear the next morning?

FYI ... ER, duh?

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: neutralizer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: labgeek
What I like... giving sleeping pills = cruelty.

Last time I checked, wasn't OD'ing on sleeping pills the "easy painless way" to commit suicide? You just go to sleep and not wake up. So what he should have shot it instead?

Nah, the cruelty part is where he drugged it AFTER he already had it trapped. Trap it, take it off the property, and release it like the law says you're supposed to in California. Not trap it, drug it, release it next to the pool, let it drown, etc.

ACtually, if you bothered to READ the California code on this, it specifically says NOT TO RELEASE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT because of it spreading rabies to any other animals in the area you drop it off. Also, if you had bothered to READ (I know it's hard, try though) CAlifornia animal control charges you 50 bucks to neutralize it. they dont pick these things up. I'll tell you what, next time i trap a skunk, how bout YOU reach into your pockets and pay the fee so it could be done the "right" way. I don't think you would, though, so piss off with your bleeding-heart preaching.

So you're saying that it's better to mistreat and abuse the animal because you can't be bothered to pay $50?

Again how did he mistreat and abuse the animal? He put it down the sleeping pills, the most humane way possible. Animal control would have done the same. The OP pretty saved himself the hassle of waiting for animal control to arrive and paying $50.

Don't be an idiot. You want him doing this to you? No species should undergo this unless it was punishment by your own mother. You're stupid for asking such a thing. "how did he mistreat and abuse this animal?"

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: rbrandon

You need to sit back, take a breath, and read the post again. IT DID NOT DROWN he scooped it out of the pool and it walked off. Focus on the words IT DID NOT DROWN.

Exactly.

As some are fond of repeating, the OP is *not* a vet. So how would he know whether it's dead?

Why was he administering drugs?

because this kids a dumb ass

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: skace
Apparently, most people around here don't know how individuals deal with pests.

you're a dumb ass,

pests = bugs
pets = animals, bugs

 

[Platypus]

Is this abortion still alive?

What the hell is wrong with you people, why do we need a 6 page cock waiving contest over the most pointless and ridiculous topic?

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Again, don't go look this up, find a definition and call it law. It doesn't work that way. The fact that it has multiple possible definitions means that it is open to interpritation.

You would be wrong

The defintion of "take" as per 16 U.S.C.§ 1532(19) is "The term ?take? means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or to attempt to engage in any such conduct."

For the dense that means it's open season on skunks.

Nobody is going to bitch about him killing a skunk.

Now if he were burning it alive while trapped in the cage I would have issue with that (as would any reasonable person).

Viper GTS

But you don't have a problem with him administering such a heavy dose of several different kinds of medication intended for humans, waiting for the drugs to take effect, opening the cage to watch it stagger around, watching it fall into the pool, watching it drown, THEN for some odd reason thinking "HOLY SH|T I HAVE TO SAVE ITS LIFE!!" and grabbing the pool-scooper-thingy?

You haven't followed my advice. You didn't read.


IT






DID






NOT





DROWN.


He fished it out of the pool and it WALKED THE FVCK away and died somewhere in the woods. Get it?

don't be an idiot, it's animal cruelty. such is not to be tolerated by law. read the law, obey the law, or start petitioning you moron.