"Tomb Raider: Legend" Thoughts

VIAN

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I'm 93% done after 8.5 hours. I'm finished with the game and all that's left to do is collect the treasures that I missed along the way. I think the rewards that you get for collecting the treasures are stupid and not worth it. Except, pistol upgrades. Those might come in handy, but you get the last one after beating the game. I barely used the pistols anyway, you'll have more powerful weapons available to you most of the time. The other things you get are different clothes for Laura to dress in, but only accessible in the Mansion and during the main game on the 2nd run. Other's are character profiles, level concepts and the cutscenes of the game. It all seems pretty cheap to me.

Lara Croft's attitude is not as serious as it was in previous games, but still stern. This makes her more likeable. Her voice is similar, but different. And her boobs are a normal size this time around. They also sway sometimes, but it's difficult to spot. They don't sway or bounce while she runs, walks or jumps, which is unrealistic. The models looks excellent. When Lara gets wet, her skin sometimes looks a little like wet barbie dolls. It runs well at 1280x1024 with NexGen content, Depth of Field, and Anti-aliasing disabled on a X1900GT.

I find the camera sometimes a bit too close and sometimes this gets annoying, but it's not bad. The controls are heaven sent compared to Prince of Persia. The camera jitters to a minimum and never spun out of control. I found it acceptable jumping and from ledge to ledge, although the controls will take some getting used to. Usually, they aren't a bother, but in tense situations where you have to move quickly, they are. If you want to jump left and you press left, but the camera changes, or she changes position, you'll have to observe the direction that you want to jump again and press the corresponding button, or else you'll jump to the wrong location.

You can carry one weapon other than your dual pistols and grenades. There is a targeting system in place to shoot enemies that isn't too difficult to use in low tense situations, but it may get a bit annoying during high tense situations. Enemies aren't very difficult, but a handful of them might require some strategy. The puzzles are interesting, creative and some are elaborate. Levels are interesting and immersive with it's cinematic atmosphere.

When a new level is loading, the loading screen tells you some information. Unfortuneately, the developers didn't count on my computer loading it so fast. I know it's desireable for levels to load in 3-5 seconds, but when there is interesting information on the loading screen, it sucks. However, don't worry reading the information here; if you press tab and go to objectives, you'll be able to read it. So it's there just to confuse people - that's my guess.

I don't like the Depth of Field effect. It makes almost everything in the background look hazy and unrealistic. I think this is what was giving the game the pastel look in the demo. I already think the games graphics aren't clean enough without some blurring effect so I keep it off at all times. The games graphics have some quirks. Say you're looking at the edge of a cliff from the side so that you're able to see the edge. Now imagine that the texture reaches beyond the cliff edge, except that it's goes translucent when it does. It gives it sort of a cheap hazy look probably to complement the Depth of Field. I don't know why that effect is so present in this game, but it's not obvious, so you may not see it at all. There are also collision detection issues. They don't bother the gameplay, but they just don't look right. In a cut scene where Lara and this other person were walking on a wooden bridge, they stepped through the bridge, as if their feet were at their knees.

[NEXT GEN CONTENT]
[This paragraph has been updated due patch 1.2 being released]
The difference between turning the NG (Next Generation) setting on and off is night and day. With the NG setting, textures seem sharper, there is bump mapping and more foliage on the ground, better lighting, shadowing cast by most objects, including foliage, Lara is self shadowed, and the water gets bump and reflection mapped. Sounds better right. It should. However, there are a lot of bugs. If you turn on the NG settings, it'll may crash after half an hour of plaing because of a memory issue which Eidos says means that my drivers don't fully support DX9c. That's totaly horse crap, my drivers are fully up to date. The shadowing cast by most objects are so low in resolution that it mostly looks like a bunch of blocks - when Lara moves, her shadows look like a bunch of boxes just disappeared and reappeared somewhere else. It's distracting and not realistic. Laura is also self shadowed, but with banding/clipping issues, as if the shadow when through her polygons. Also low resolution, distracting and unrealistic. Turning off the NG setting gives Lara a more defined shadow, but eliminates most other shadows. The water gets bump and reflection mapped, but only still water (water confined to one area) looks this good. Water that moves, such as rivers or streams still look primitive, reminding me of a 3Dmark 2001se with the fisherman; a.k.a DX8. And the reflections on the water are also low resolution, which look ok considering it's on a LCD screen.

It also sucks that you can't individually select the NG effects that the NG setting gives you when you turn it on. The NG setting does look dramatically better, especially with this new 1.2 patch fixing the previous performance issues. If not for the crashes, I would keep the NG setting on, if possible, but turn off Shadows, which look ugly, and Depth of Field, which doesn't look realistic.

[VERDICT]
This is an EXCELLENT game. It's got great atomsphere, interesting levels and locations, fun puzzles you can get lost in, an interesting story and some decent graphics. I don't think it's length, although seemingly short, is short at all. By the time I finished, I new it was worth my money. My only greivance is that it could have received a bit more polishing to get the NG setting to work properly and getting a few other bugs, and difficulties out of the way. But, I still think this game can qualify for game of the year.
 

Super56K

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Feb 27, 2004
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Lol, the description in your link makes me really want to download it

"This Tomb Raider: Legend demo includes the Bolivia level where you need to find, what else, an ancient artifact."
 

TecHNooB

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Sep 10, 2005
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Fun demo. I don't like the radio chatter though. Takes away from the being all alone in the jungle trying to do a task all by yourself feel. And yes, she has become a little more outgoing it seems. Sophistication has been lost--or has it?.

Edit: Oh, and the controls... much smoother from the original control scheme which was very picky to say the least (shimmy here, shimmy there, inching exactly in front of the odd lever/medi pack). When I saw the video clips, I was thinking how the hell is the average player going to pull off that many stunts in a row, but the new controls and movements make it very easy... so that it's actually, well, fun. No more saving before every hop, skip, roll through spike pits and traps.
 

Wingznut

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I think I'm going to love this game. I'll be picking it up for the 360, though... The console controls and atmosphere (HDTV, 5.1DD surround sound, etc.) are a better fit for this game (imho.)

I agree about the radio chatter. Not a fan of it.
 

bwanaaa

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i'm stuck at the part where she pushes a boulder and it tilts up a tree trunk. i cant seem to walk across the tree without falling off. am i taking the wrong path?
 

JonnyBlaze

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Originally posted by: bwanaaa
i'm stuck at the part where she pushes a boulder and it tilts up a tree trunk. i cant seem to walk across the tree without falling off. am i taking the wrong path?

I got stuck there yesterday. My son got past it. I will try and find out later how he did it.

The game plays pretty nice on my old system. Lets hope for a nude raider patch like they had for the old one.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
Lets hope for a nude raider patch like they had for the old one.

Yeah, specially now that Lara looks like an actual human being and not a mid 90s low poly montrosity
 

Furyline

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Originally posted by: bwanaaa
i'm stuck at the part where she pushes a boulder and it tilts up a tree trunk. i cant seem to walk across the tree without falling off. am i taking the wrong path?

There's a branch coming off the tree that you can swing on. I didn't see it right away either.

I was surprised that the demo was actually fun to play. It felt like the recent PoP games but with guns. I remember I got the last one free with a sound card or something, and that game was horrendous.
 

Noema

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Originally posted by: Furyline

I was surprised that the demo was actually fun to play. It felt like the recent PoP games but with guns.

That's what I was expecting for them to do, given that the recent PoP work so well.

I'm actually looking forward to this; downloading now.
 
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I thought it was fun...gameplay/movement is done really well. Of course the demo is way too short to be 500MB, but I enjoyed it...I'm undecided on the radio chatter, it wasn't in previous Tomb Raider games but it was in the movies...I don't think they use it often enough to be annoying, so that's not too bad. I've seen some AMAZING screenshots of the "Next Gen" content though, literally better than anything I've ever seen (excluding unreleased/future games like Crysis or UT2007). I used to love some of the older Tomb Raider games, I'll definitely be giving this one a chance...
 
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Also, if anyone's interested, I uploaded a set of screenshots I pulled off a fan site; some of them are really impressive. I'm sure it'll make my 6800GT cry though...
 

MX2

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Just played through it and I liked it Ran @ 1680x1050 with everything on /up high and ran just fine on a 6800GT. Controls were very comfortable for mouse and keyboard.
 
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Originally posted by: MX2times
Just played through it and I liked it Ran @ 1680x1050 with everything on /up high and ran just fine on a 6800GT. Controls were very comfortable for mouse and keyboard.

Yeah, it took me a little while to get used to the controls (it's been years since I played a Tomb Raider game, I mostly do FPS's ), but once you get the hang of the screen-relative instead of character-relative controls, it works well...
 

SkuLLyRT

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I'm pretty sure I'll be picking this up.. I've enjoyed the demo tons. It's a nice departure from all the MMO's / FPS's I've been playing lately.

The graphics are pretty nice (the screenshots with "next gen content" enabled look awesome), and I like the controls a bit more than those in PoP.

Definately looking forward to this release.
 

Noema

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Very nice. It does resemble the new PoP games indeed, which of course is a very good thing: those game play beautifully.

I'm also amazed at how well it plays given how old my graphics card is (9600XT). Everything on at 1280x1024 except AA (which bogs it down to about 7fps) and I'm getting 30ish fps.

Next week I'll be getting my 7800GS so I'm eager to see how it runs then. I'll probably pick it up when it comes out, as well as a decent gamepad (probably an X-Box360 pad).
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
Lets hope for a nude raider patch like they had for the old one.

Yeah, specially now that Lara looks like an actual human being and not a mid 90s low poly montrosity

thats gonna drive up sales of video cards lol
 

TanisHalfElven

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started dl. 31 st march. finished dl. 2 nd. march
times dled befroe i got correct file form torrent :3.

game. meh lara's hot (even there the dead or alive girls on the xbox beat her) but that about it. graphics suck (yeah i know next gen mode is off). gameplay does not even match come clode to prince of persia and neigther do the graphics (on the ps2).
 

MrBond

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I saw the second Tomb Raider movie on TV the other day and was wondering if they'd release anymore games.

Downloading this now, but I have a feeling my Ti4200 won't play it.

Edit: Actually ran on my PC and ran fairly well. 800x600, sure, but I could play it.
 

skulkingghost

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Got it today, the next gen content makes even my
Amd fx-55
x1900xtx
2gb gskill ram
520w Ocz Powerstream

Cry. Choppy at 1600x1200 so I lowered to 1280x1024 and its still a bit choppy. LAtest drivers, quake 4 runs liek a dream at 1600x1200
 
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Originally posted by: skulkingghost
Got it today, the next gen content makes even my
Amd fx-55
x1900xtx
2gb gskill ram
520w Ocz Powerstream

Cry. Choppy at 1600x1200 so I lowered to 1280x1024 and its still a bit choppy. LAtest drivers, quake 4 runs liek a dream at 1600x1200

Oh my. I was hoping that a card that's easily 2-3x (maybe even more) faster than my 6800GT would be able to handle the next gen content...

I'm starting to think maybe I should hold off on playing this game for several months until I can make a major video card upgrade...(which I've been needing for a while now, but just don't have the money at the moment)
 
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