Top athletes don't ride bicycles

freegeeks

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what a piece of sh*t

By Mike Imrem

How thought-provoking over the weekend that the paths of Lance Armstrong and Ricky Williams crossed halfway around the world from each other.

In France, Armstrong won the Tour de France for a record sixth consecutive time. From Hawaii, Williams announced his retirement from the NFL.

What this started me thinking about again is the claim Armstrong is the world's greatest athlete.

I have said this before: Even if Armstrong is the world's most dominant athlete ever, he's nowhere near the world's greatest athlete.

What does Williams have to do with the equation?

Well, to me the suddenly former Dolphins running back was a better athlete than Armstrong is. So is anyone who can hit Kerry Wood's curveball or execute a crossover dribble in Kobe Bryant's face.

Wayne Gretzky was skinny enough in his prime to win the Tour de France. Dennis Rodman could have if it wouldn't have bored him to death. Alex Rodriguez would have if there were more money in it.

This isn't personal on my part. A half-hour on a stationary bike is about my limit. I'd have trouble riding around France for three weeks in a Porsche unless it was chauffeur-driven.

Back to Williams, the point being anybody who ever carried the football once in the NFL is a better athlete than even cycling's best ever.

Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.

That doesn't minimize Armstrong's accomplishments. His training regimen suggests he's superhuman and his cycling record confirms the notion.

But I'm sorry ... neither makes him more athletic than an NFL running back.

Like, it's no surprise Williams announced his retirement the week NFL training camps begin, because few football players want to go through that. Nor is it surprising Williams quit after five seasons, because that's as long as any human being should have to endure the punishment.

It's one thing to tolerate physical agony while sitting on a bicycle. It's another while angry 300-pounders are slamming into you.

Just imagine the speed, agility and muscle - the athleticism - it takes to navigate past, around and through people like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Warren Sapp.

Walter Payton did it for 13 seasons. After a couple, he indicated he would play five total, then go teach hearing-impaired children. Unlike Williams, however, Payton just kept on keepin' on.

Now, don't you think if Payton applied himself to cycling the way he did to football - and if it were as financially and emotionally rewarding to Americans - that he could have become Armstrong?

I mean, if Payton could run up and down that Arlington Heights hill to get in shape for NFL beatings, don't you think he could have withstood a cyclist's workouts?

If Ricky Williams stays retired he will be the rare football player - along with the likes of Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Robert Smith - with the strength to both play that brutal game and to leave us wanting more.

Williams wants to explore other interests, fulfill other ambitions and experience other sensations.

Who knows, he might even take up cycling just for the fun of it and win the Tour de France just for the heck of it.

If so, he won't be the athlete he was as an NFL running back.


I nominate him as moron of the year
:thumbsdown:
 

DivideBYZero

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Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.

I so doubt he would have the correctly developed muscle groups for a couple of hours of full on tour racing.

The comparison is irrelevant. The 'Author' is a fool.
 

Viper GTS

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We go through this every year, some opinion writer nobody's ever heard of decides to make a name for himself & goes off about something he knows nothing about.

So what.

Ignore him & he'll go away.

Viper GTS
 

mchammer187

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.

I so doubt he would have the correctly developed muscle groups for a couple of hours of full on tour racing.

The comparison is irrelevant. The 'Author' is a Tool.

corrected
 

Koing

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I'm with you dude.

They are totally different athletes. Their sports are very different.

The NFL guy is more stop start. His 'speed endurance' would be SH!T compared to Lance's. SIMPLE AS THAT. That dude may run up stairs and such but he ain't cycling on his bike for 90-120minutes or how ever long a stage takes and for a week or 2 weeks isn't it? No thought not. He runs up and down stairs for 15-30minutes TOPS I'd imagine.

That dude is far too big to cycle on a tour. He would be SLAUGHTERED on a moutain.

Lance would be killed on the NFL field. His build is far too slight to not end up in A&amp;E.

So many more agruements I could write but that guy is a complete fooll.

Koing
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.

I so doubt he would have the correctly developed muscle groups for a couple of hours of full on tour racing.

The comparison is irrelevant. The 'Author' is a Tool.

corrected


Cheers m8! Damn F &amp; T keys too close
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
whats your point?


^^

pretty much sums it up

You don't get it so why post?



:roll:

did you you read that article -

basically Lance is not a top athlete because he sits on a bike :roll:

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yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
whats your point?


^^

pretty much sums it up

You don't get it so why post?



:roll:

did you you read that article -

basically Lance is not a top athlete because he sits on a bike :roll:

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes


Troll.
 

NuclearNed

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I wonder if this author thinks that golfers are athletes?

He is extremely misinformed.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
whats your point?


^^

pretty much sums it up

You don't get it so why post?



:roll:

did you you read that article -

basically Lance is not a top athlete because he sits on a bike :roll:

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes


Troll.

banshee.
 

freegeeks

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yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes

I'm not going to bother with a reply
 

murphy55d

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I would agree that Ricky Williams is a better athlete than Lance Armstrong. I don't think that Armstrong is not an athlete, I just don't think he's a "top" athlete, especially when you start comparing him to NFL running backs, who are often 6'2, 230 lb freaks who run a 4.4 40 time. Hell, look at Ray Lewis, 6'1 245 lbs, probably runs about a 4.5 or 4.6, strong as an ox, and an incredible mind for the game. How can you argue that a guy who rides a bike is a 'better athlete' than Ray Lewis? I'm not trying to belittle cyclists, but to me, it's difficult to compare them to guys like that.
 

SaltBoy

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Originally posted by: gigapet

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yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes
Wow. Just... wow.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes

I'm not going to bother with a reply

wow nobody is in a joking mood this morning......OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE HAS RIDEN A BIKE BEFORE MYSELF INCLUDED WE ARE ALL GAY!!!!!!!!!
 

Fingolfin269

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I understand where this guy is coming from. But my definition of athleticism is apparently different from most of you. When I look at a person and say 'that's a damn athlete!' I'm referring to overall athletic skill and the ability to adapt and do many different things. Take Michael Jordan for example. That guy could probably play wide receiver in the NFL, could probably do decent at track (high jump!), could obviously play a bit of baseball, is a decent golfer, etc. Lance Armstrong himself has admitted that he's not half the overall athlete as the rest of these guys.

I totally respect him and definately consider him the most dominant cyclist in the world. However, we all know how to ride a bike. Lance is just the most well conditioned bike rider in the world. And being well conditioned isn't a natural athletic trait.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: murphy55d
I would agree that Ricky Williams is a better athlete than Lance Armstrong. I don't think that Armstrong is not an athlete, I just don't think he's a "top" athlete, especially when you start comparing him to NFL running backs, who are often 6'2, 230 lb freaks who run a 4.4 40 time. Hell, look at Ray Lewis, 6'1 245 lbs, probably runs about a 4.5 or 4.6, strong as an ox, and an incredible mind for the game. How can you argue that a guy who rides a bike is a 'better athlete' than Ray Lewis? I'm not trying to belittle cyclists, but to me, it's difficult to compare them to guys like that.


Lance is not a "top athlete"

:roll:
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I understand where this guy is coming from. But my definition of athleticism is apparently different from most of you. When I look at a person and say 'that's a damn athlete!' I'm referring to overall athletic skill and the ability to adapt and do many different things. Take Michael Jordan for example. That guy could probably play wide receiver in the NFL, could probably do decent at track (high jump!), could obviously play a bit of baseball, is a decent golfer, etc. Lance Armstrong himself has admitted that he's not half the overall athlete as the rest of these guys.

I totally respect him and definately consider him the most dominant cyclist in the world. However, we all know how to ride a bike. Lance is just the most well conditioned bike rider in the world. And being well conditioned isn't a natural athletic trait.

No sports stars just turn up and play due to some god given talent. They all have to work very hard achieving and maintaining themselves at peak fitness, or in your words, the best conditioned in their field.

The article is garbage, the author, a Cycling-hating tool.
 

SP33Demon

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ESPN.com had a Page2 article ranking the toughest sports to play with 5 different categories. Cycling wasn't in the top 10, Boxing, Football, Baseball, and Hockey were. I think that what he said about Rickey Williams winning the Tour de France was pure BS, but he is probably right in saying that X % of football players COULD win the Tour if they dedicated their life to it like Lance did, but that Lance does not meet the requirements for the NFL. Cycling requires fast twitch muscles and endurance, which many football players possess. Lance does not have the power nor strength to play football (or hockey) and may not have the hand eye coordination as well (so baseball would also be out).
 

CChaos

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This column is ridiculous on so many levels I find it difficult to decide what to address. I'll just say he's clearly trying to get attention by voicing a dissenting opinion on Armstrong's success. Oh, and he's also obviously not a top columnist.
 

murphy55d

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: murphy55d
I would agree that Ricky Williams is a better athlete than Lance Armstrong. I don't think that Armstrong is not an athlete, I just don't think he's a "top" athlete, especially when you start comparing him to NFL running backs, who are often 6'2, 230 lb freaks who run a 4.4 40 time. Hell, look at Ray Lewis, 6'1 245 lbs, probably runs about a 4.5 or 4.6, strong as an ox, and an incredible mind for the game. How can you argue that a guy who rides a bike is a 'better athlete' than Ray Lewis? I'm not trying to belittle cyclists, but to me, it's difficult to compare them to guys like that.


Lance is not a "top athlete"

:roll:

Correct.
 
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