pffft......you know Belgians are crappy cyclists.Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
Are you a professional athlete already? I didn't think so. Let me know when you are a top NFL running back and then we will work from there.
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: skace
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
Are you a professional athlete already? I didn't think so. Let me know when you are a top NFL running back and then we will work from there.
OK - I'll PM you when I'm at that level
watch for freegeeks in the NFL
Originally posted by: skace
Here is the line in the arguments.
The people defending Lance bring up his physical conditioning. What his body can do and how can he push the limits of his own body to complete something that very few people can do.
The people against Lance bring up skills that are required per sport as well as conditioning. Being required to have hand eye coordination, being able to catch, jump, spin, kick, etc.
To combine the 2, the best athlete would have to have superhuman physique (right word?) to be able to withstand grueling tasks and also have an extremely broad range of skills that can be executed very well.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Actually, it would be impossible. To be a good football player, you need a certain type of body and physique. To be top cyclist requires a completely different type of body. The same person could never be a top player in each area.
An exception would be if the guy were a track (velodrome) sprinter. They're massive compared to other cyclists as their event is only 1km and they usually only go all-out in the last 200m or so. The mass is necessary for the explosive power they need (and doesn't slow them down since there aren't hills on velodromes).Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: skace
Here is the line in the arguments.
The people defending Lance bring up his physical conditioning. What his body can do and how can he push the limits of his own body to complete something that very few people can do.
The people against Lance bring up skills that are required per sport as well as conditioning. Being required to have hand eye coordination, being able to catch, jump, spin, kick, etc.
To combine the 2, the best athlete would have to have superhuman physique (right word?) to be able to withstand grueling tasks and also have an extremely broad range of skills that can be executed very well.
Actually, it would be impossible. To be a good football player, you need a certain type of body and physique. To be top cyclist requires a completely different type of body. The same person could never be a top player in each area.
Like, it's no surprise Williams announced his retirement the week NFL training camps begin, because few football players want to go through that.
Ahahahah. That is the funniest thing I've read in awhile... the heavier you lift or faster you can sprint, the more fast twitch fibers you will have... Lance doesn't need fast twitch fibers because he primarily needs endurance. Look at the build between a X country and sprinter, much different. It is highly doubtful that a X country runner could outsquat a football player (maybe in high school but doubtful in college), of course there are exceptions.Originally posted by: Lazy8s
This guy has OBVIOUSLY never seen a professional bike racer as many of you obviously haven't either judging by your posts. I dated a girl whose dad was on one of the #1 US biking teams in the world, knows Lance, and carried the Olympic torch. The guy is freaking huge. He bikes miles every day and mountain climbs and he's one of the most massive men I have ever met. He's as much of a "guy" as any jock I have ever come into contact with. Lance may be thin but he fscking survived cancer for Christ's sake, of course he's thin. However, if you saw him in real life I bet he's a lot more muscular tan you think. All of these biker guys have pretty impressive ammounts of muscle and I bet they could out squat most any NFL athlete in the business, just like in highschool the football guys would be leg pressing for 300 while us cross country guys would be hitting it close to 500lbs.
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ahahahah. That is the funniest thing I've read in awhile... the heavier you lift or faster you can sprint, the more fast twitch fibers you will have... Lance doesn't need fast twitch fibers because he primarily needs endurance. Look at the build between a X country and sprinter, much different. It is highly doubtful that a X country runner could outsquat a football player (maybe in high school but doubtful in college), of course there are exceptions.Originally posted by: Lazy8s
This guy has OBVIOUSLY never seen a professional bike racer as many of you obviously haven't either judging by your posts. I dated a girl whose dad was on one of the #1 US biking teams in the world, knows Lance, and carried the Olympic torch. The guy is freaking huge. He bikes miles every day and mountain climbs and he's one of the most massive men I have ever met. He's as much of a "guy" as any jock I have ever come into contact with. Lance may be thin but he fscking survived cancer for Christ's sake, of course he's thin. However, if you saw him in real life I bet he's a lot more muscular tan you think. All of these biker guys have pretty impressive ammounts of muscle and I bet they could out squat most any NFL athlete in the business, just like in highschool the football guys would be leg pressing for 300 while us cross country guys would be hitting it close to 500lbs.
For example, the FB the Eagles just drafted, Thomas Topeh, is 6-1 245. He squats 630lbs, and runs a 4.81 40 which is good for a FB. Name me many cyclist who can squat that much and still run a 4.81 40...
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
It doesn't seem so hard... I'll be your wingman in 2005 but it's my turn to win the year after
Originally posted by: freegeeks
deal - after my TdF victory I'm going back to the NFL to win my 2nd Super BowlOriginally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: freegeeks
some people in this thread have convinced me - cycling is easy
I'm going to train for a year, win the TdF next summer and earn $15 million like the Boss
Lance has no chance next year
I'm writing HR right now to tell them they can shove it because I'm going to be a pro-cyclist from now :thumbsup:
thx everyone for his input :thumbsup: I'm going to be rich and famous
It doesn't seem so hard... I'll be your wingman in 2005 but it's my turn to win the year after
(and you don't touch Sheryl because she's mine)
Originally posted by: jjones
I don't see what's wrong with the article. He's arguing against the idea that Armstrong is the world's greatest athlete. I'd have to agree with him.
I agree with you, cycling is really tough, and don't want to take anything away from Lance because he is a great athlete. But I disagree in the sense that football players are just as mentally tough, look at Ray Lewis or Ronnie Lott (when he played), as well as Jerry Rice. These guys never lose their intensity, even on practice days. Many people say that Ricky Williams quit because he wasn't mentally tough enough, although he had more than enough of the physical tools to be successful.Originally posted by: Fausto
Actually, I seriously doubt you're right here. Not to dismiss the abilities of NFL RB's, but you have to look at the big picture with regard to cycling. The Tour is above and beyond the abilities of 99% of the pro cyclists out there right now, so the odds of finding an RB with the genetic potential to reach that level are pretty slim. You'd also have to get them as kids prior to even becoming a football player as they're all way, way too heavy to climb hills like Lance and company.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If Lance dedicated his life to the NFL, no way in hell he would make it. Are you that retarded, or did the rest of your missing IQ drip down the side of your dad's leg? Where did I say that ANY NFL RB could beat Armstrong in the Tour? I said X% of RB's, if they dedicated their lives, could definitely beat Lance... there's a reason why they earn millions of $ and it's not just to do Gatorade commercials.Originally posted by: CChaos
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
...but he is probably right in saying that X % of football players COULD win the Tour if they dedicated their life to it like Lance did, but that Lance does not meet the requirements for the NFL...
What he said was ANY NFL running back is a better athlete than Armstrong. So, ANY NFL running back "if they dedicated their life to it like Lance did" would win 7 Tours? Are you seriously standing behind that statement?
Also, why do the running backs get to dedicate thier lives to cycling, but Lance has to meet the requirements as is? Oh, because you're just a biased as this jackass? Ok.
Apples and oranges. Cyclists obviously couldn't complete a triple lutz if their lives depended on it, but as far as the "suffer-factor" goes, I don't think they have anyone in the same category. 100 miles on a bike is pretty difficult. 100 miles on a bike at race pace is very difficult. 100 miles at race pace with 15,000 vertical feet of climbing would kill most people. TdF riders do some variation of 100 at race pace every day for three weeks. You have no idea how mentally and physically tough you have to be to complete a race like this, much less win it.Distance cycling ranked 20th in ESPN's toughest sport. Football 3rd. Hell, RODEO: STEER WRESTLING and FIGURE SKATING finished above Distance cycling. Anyone with half an IQ could tell you that football is a tougher sport, you don't even need this article.
Bike racing, while seemingly simple (you just ride the bike, right?) is really, really tough. Even an amateur racer like me has some idea of what the Tour riders go through.
It's really not the premise that's flawed, it's how he goes about arguing his point.Originally posted by: jjones
I don't see what's wrong with the article. He's arguing against the idea that Armstrong is the world's greatest athlete. I'd have to agree with him.
Bullshit. Not only was he not thin enough, he wasn't light enough, and who can even speculate about his aerobic capacity?Wayne Gretzky was skinny enough in his prime to win the Tour de France.
Stupid and pointless.Dennis Rodman could have if it wouldn't have bored him to death. Alex Rodriguez would have if there were more money in it.
Wrong. The author is forgetting how fast TdF riders are going most of the time. Even an decent amateur like me would get his doors blown off inside of 20km.Back to Williams, the point being anybody who ever carried the football once in the NFL is a better athlete than even cycling's best ever.
Put it this way: Williams could peddle a bicycle for a couple hours in the Tour de France but Armstrong couldn't survive a single hit in the NFL.
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
whats your point?
^^
pretty much sums it up
You don't get it so why post?
:roll:
did you you read that article -
basically Lance is not a top athlete because he sits on a bike :roll:
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yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: gigapet
whats your point?
^^
pretty much sums it up
You don't get it so why post?
:roll:
did you you read that article -
basically Lance is not a top athlete because he sits on a bike :roll:
:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
yes i did read the article....unfortunately it was pretty dumb and i feel worse for having done so....do I agree that ricky is a better athlete than lance yes, do i aggree that lance is an athlete yes.......does riding a bike make you gay ---yes
Wow, you are prolly very close to being banned right now...
FreeGeeks, thanks for the article, I am going to write him a nasty email:
His email
Lets all tell the guy that he should quit...
I basically agree with you here, but again there's a difference in the type of toughness required. Football is about maintaining focus from play to play whereas cycling doesn't let up until you hit the finish line. It's like standing up to a series of explosions vs having a blowtorch applied to your legs and lungs for 5 hours.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I agree with you, cycling is really tough, and don't want to take anything away from Lance because he is a great athlete. But I disagree in the sense that football players are just as mentally tough, look at Ray Lewis or Ronnie Lott (when he played), as well as Jerry Rice. These guys never lose their intensity, even on practice days. Many people say that Ricky Williams quit because he wasn't mentally tough enough, although he had more than enough of the physical tools to be successful.Originally posted by: Fausto
Actually, I seriously doubt you're right here. Not to dismiss the abilities of NFL RB's, but you have to look at the big picture with regard to cycling. The Tour is above and beyond the abilities of 99% of the pro cyclists out there right now, so the odds of finding an RB with the genetic potential to reach that level are pretty slim. You'd also have to get them as kids prior to even becoming a football player as they're all way, way too heavy to climb hills like Lance and company.Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If Lance dedicated his life to the NFL, no way in hell he would make it. Are you that retarded, or did the rest of your missing IQ drip down the side of your dad's leg? Where did I say that ANY NFL RB could beat Armstrong in the Tour? I said X% of RB's, if they dedicated their lives, could definitely beat Lance... there's a reason why they earn millions of $ and it's not just to do Gatorade commercials.Originally posted by: CChaos
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
...but he is probably right in saying that X % of football players COULD win the Tour if they dedicated their life to it like Lance did, but that Lance does not meet the requirements for the NFL...
What he said was ANY NFL running back is a better athlete than Armstrong. So, ANY NFL running back "if they dedicated their life to it like Lance did" would win 7 Tours? Are you seriously standing behind that statement?
Also, why do the running backs get to dedicate thier lives to cycling, but Lance has to meet the requirements as is? Oh, because you're just a biased as this jackass? Ok.
Apples and oranges. Cyclists obviously couldn't complete a triple lutz if their lives depended on it, but as far as the "suffer-factor" goes, I don't think they have anyone in the same category. 100 miles on a bike is pretty difficult. 100 miles on a bike at race pace is very difficult. 100 miles at race pace with 15,000 vertical feet of climbing would kill most people. TdF riders do some variation of 100 at race pace every day for three weeks. You have no idea how mentally and physically tough you have to be to complete a race like this, much less win it.Distance cycling ranked 20th in ESPN's toughest sport. Football 3rd. Hell, RODEO: STEER WRESTLING and FIGURE SKATING finished above Distance cycling. Anyone with half an IQ could tell you that football is a tougher sport, you don't even need this article.
Bike racing, while seemingly simple (you just ride the bike, right?) is really, really tough. Even an amateur racer like me has some idea of what the Tour riders go through.
<shrug> It's certainly possible, but the only issue is body type. Cyclists are really small for the most part; if you're much over 170lbs, you're not going to win the Tour as your power to weight ratio will suck compared to the other contenders. I'm not sure someone who has the genetic potential to be an NFLer could ever be light enough (even if you got them as a kid) to compete in the Tour.Also, I think there would be a good chance that someone from the NFL (whether it be CB's, Safeties, RB's/FB's, or Linebackers) could achieve the level of endurance that Lance has achieved. These are guys who have to be faster and stronger than the best in the world as well (the NFL is globally the cream of crop for "football" as is the Tour), so I wouldn't be surprised if someone could achieve higher than Lance's resting heartrate of 32-34 or VOP levels (of course it's just purely theoretical since they would have to start cycling training at a young age).
You're talking about HIGH SCHOOL. Of course in high school you could easily do 3 sports, and basketweave on the side.Originally posted by: Lazy8s
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Ahahahah. That is the funniest thing I've read in awhile... the heavier you lift or faster you can sprint, the more fast twitch fibers you will have... Lance doesn't need fast twitch fibers because he primarily needs endurance. Look at the build between a X country and sprinter, much different. It is highly doubtful that a X country runner could outsquat a football player (maybe in high school but doubtful in college), of course there are exceptions.Originally posted by: Lazy8s
This guy has OBVIOUSLY never seen a professional bike racer as many of you obviously haven't either judging by your posts. I dated a girl whose dad was on one of the #1 US biking teams in the world, knows Lance, and carried the Olympic torch. The guy is freaking huge. He bikes miles every day and mountain climbs and he's one of the most massive men I have ever met. He's as much of a "guy" as any jock I have ever come into contact with. Lance may be thin but he fscking survived cancer for Christ's sake, of course he's thin. However, if you saw him in real life I bet he's a lot more muscular tan you think. All of these biker guys have pretty impressive ammounts of muscle and I bet they could out squat most any NFL athlete in the business, just like in highschool the football guys would be leg pressing for 300 while us cross country guys would be hitting it close to 500lbs.
For example, the FB the Eagles just drafted, Thomas Topeh, is 6-1 245. He squats 630lbs, and runs a 4.81 40 which is good for a FB. Name me many cyclist who can squat that much and still run a 4.81 40...
You don't know many college CC runners do you? Most of our CC team played football or wreastled. We were a bunch of 6' 200lb. guys that ran in the off season. Why? Oh yeah that's right because running was better leg training than any other training I have ever seen. I bet Lance's legs are huge, even compared to most football players'.