Bullshit, all those come back to the same document concerning the shooting, witness's, ect. Oh, here's a vid showing MANY people going into that unfinished house and gee, the gruesome twosome never seem to get much riled up about it,
Bullshit, all those come back to the same document concerning the shooting, witness's, ect. Oh, here's a vid showing MANY people going into that unfinished house and gee, the gruesome twosome never seem to get much riled up about it,
He shows on screen the records reported. I haven't bothered tracking them down like he did.
Tracked down one thing that has some records tacked on they linked as incidents to this case.
G19-62302
G19-67433
G20-00093
G20-08656
Two at the end of December, one at the beginning of January, and the one that day. You'd have to pull up more of the records for the area to see if there were others, but at least those 4 were linked in this case by the police.
Bullshit, all those come back to the same document concerning the shooting, witness's, ect. Oh, here's a vid showing MANY people going into that unfinished house and gee, the gruesome twosome never seem to get much riled up about it,even the property owner, English has stated nothing has ever been stolen and possibly Ahmaud was just looking for some water. These two dick-wads needed to have enough common sense to realize that tracking someone like that and then confronting them with a loaded fucking shotgun could end tragically, it did and all the "it's within GA law" shit will not matter to a jury. Anyone with a speck of common sense will realize the horrific situation created by these fuck-wits and they are toast if it goes to trial.
Bullshit, all those come back to the same document concerning the shooting, witness's, ect. Oh, here's a vid showing MANY people going into that unfinished house and gee, the gruesome twosome never seem to get much riled up about it,even the property owner, English has stated nothing has ever been stolen and possibly Ahmaud was just looking for some water. These two dick-wads needed to have enough common sense to realize that tracking someone like that and then confronting them with a loaded fucking shotgun could end tragically, it did and all the "it's within GA law" shit will not matter to a jury. Anyone with a speck of common sense will realize the horrific situation created by these fuck-wits and they are toast if it goes to trial.
"I saw that old white guy shove his hands down his pants, looked like he had a gun!". we'll see how well that flies in testimony, any man periodically "adjusts" the hardware for Christ's sake, oh, wait, a young black guy does so and suddenly he "carrying".I don't understand why no armed posses chased down the numerous white people trespassing on the property.
My question is what kind of a father would allow his son to assinate somebody??It appears the police may have supported the morons beforehand:
Ahmaud Arbery’s alleged killer was vigilante relied upon by cops: report
A Georgia cop anointed the man charged with killing unarmed jogger Ahmaud Arbery as an unofficial neighborhood watchdog, according to a new report. “Your neighbor … is Greg McMichael. Greg is…nypost.com
A prior officer should know better than to chase down an unarmed man and kill him without a reason.
Makes me wonder what kind of cop he was before hand. Possibly a dumb thug?
My question is what kind of a father would allow his son to assinate somebody??
they dont look at it like that.My question is what kind of a father would allow his son to assinate somebody??
"I saw that old white guy shove his hands down his pants, looked like he had a gun!". we'll see how well that flies in testimony, any man periodically "adjusts" the hardware for Christ's sake, oh, wait, a young black guy does so and suddenly he "carrying".
Answered in the questionI don't understand why no armed posses chased down the numerous white people trespassing on the property.
Watched that entire video. The guy is pretty good with the facts. But I will disagree with him on a couple of points. He implied that Arbury going on to the construction site "might" have been a B&E, but doesn't address Georgia's B&E statute. Unauthorized entry onto property is not enough. There must be an intent to commit theft or a felony. That cannot be proven, as Arbury is not shown stealing anything on those videos. Nor were thefts reported from that construction site. This was trespass, a misdemeanor. Given that his legal analysis of citizen's arrest law is pretty good here, he should have gotten that right.
The second point is his certainty that this was not motivated by racism. I agree that these guys suspected him of a crime. But what they knew about was him committing a trespass a few times. Under those circumstances, grabbing shotguns, getting into the back of a pickup truck, chasing him down, getting out of the truck and brandishing the firearms was a rather extreme reaction. It's not like they didn't have other options. Why such an extreme reaction? I mean seriously, who does that when all they've seen is a simple trespass? Was their choice of how to respond to this trespass motivated by Arbery's race? Might very well be. It's difficult to explain it otherwise.
I agree this was not a premeditated murder because they just wanted to kill a black guy. I disagree that we can rule out racism as motivation for their behavior. The subtle fallacy in his reasoning is a false dilemma that either they set out to kill him solely because he was black or they aren't racist. It's nonsense.
He's right that the father might get off here if the underlying felony of assault is not proven. We'll see how that pans out.
In case you missed his initial post
HIS exact words
That has been my stance. I didn't jump to racial motivation. I changed to think that racial motivation may have been a factor after more of the evidence came out, but it wasn't a "murder" based on that motivation as people have been claiming white assassins in this thread among other things. Unless something else comes to light the court arguments are going to play out around the level of use of force here. Either a jury believes the level they displayed with having firearms in hand while asking him to stop for a citizens arrest is legally justified or not. If not, does that level rise to felony aggravated assault. Court rooms can be strange places at times. Innocent people go to jail at times and the guilty go free at times too. I've stated my personal opinion for what it is worth here on this case. I think the son is going to get a lesser charge and the felony aggravated assault with murder charge won't stick.
As for the prosecutors not willing to initially prosecute, nothing is going to happen to them. That whole immunity to do their jobs as they see fit protects them. At most they are going to get a poor performance review.
As for Georgia B&E laws. It is both B&E if you enter a home or building intended to be a home without authority. It is considered a felony in the first degree in Georgia and is also considered burglary even if nothing is stolen and there is intent to steal something. Which is common most places. Criminal trespass is a bit harder to meet in Georgia though than other places as there has to be damage or the person that entered a property needs notification at some point that they are not allowed to be there. Just walking onto a property doesn't equate the criminal trespass in Georgia. The problem is that the defense here is going to argue that entering a building he is not working at nor is buying would be akin to knowing he doesn't have permission to be there. The defense is also going to argue that due to previous burglaries, the McMichaels had reasonable suspicion of him being in the house with the intent to steal something even if they didn't directly witness a theft or other crime happening. I agree it isn't going to a be solid argument if there no footage of him stealing something despite all the footage we've seen of him trespassing at odd hours. Unless there is something else we as the public don't know about, I don't think the suspicion of criminal intent they may have had for Arbery as a defense will work. If it does, then this case doesn't go through and the McMichaels get off. I think defense has enough with what we have seen to easily argue against following based on racial. They did watch him trespass and it is legal to affect in Georgia a citizens arrest based on a trespass. The stepping out of the vehicle though I think is where Travis is screwed because that is an escalation of use of force that wasn't warranted to stop Arbery. That is what the prosecution will probably argue. That doesn't so becomes felony aggravated assault. The only racial argument I see the prosecution making here is saying his idea to step out and escalating use of force is racially motivated. While we can opine that the McMichaels actions were racially motivated here, that doesn't matter as only what can be proven in court matters in the end.
You did posit unfounded allegations such as Arbery was running away from a crime when there was no evidence to support that.
I suspected from the start the killers had racial animus not necessarily looking for a black man to lynch but their mindset assumed Arbery was guilty of a crime because he was black. Not uncommon. I have an entire thread created with people assuming some kind of crime committed by a person just because they are black. It would have been pretty easy to call the police while they were stalking him with their truck.
I'm not familiar with Georgia B&E but houses being built are not considered homes until a certificate of occupancy is granted by the township which this property was not close to qualifying.
Bullshit, all those come back to the same document concerning the shooting, witness's, ect. Oh, here's a vid showing MANY people going into that unfinished house and gee, the gruesome twosome never seem to get much riled up about it,even the property owner, English has stated nothing has ever been stolen and possibly Ahmaud was just looking for some water. These two dick-wads needed to have enough common sense to realize that tracking someone like that and then confronting them with a loaded fucking shotgun could end tragically, it did and all the "it's within GA law" shit will not matter to a jury. Anyone with a speck of common sense will realize the horrific situation created by these fuck-wits and they are toast if it goes to trial.
I thought this was new construction on a lot that already had existing structures. One of the surveillance clips shows a boat outside the structure, so someone was keeping property there.Hey, I know it too about checking out homes under construction. When I moved into my then newly built house 8 years ago, a good half the neighborhood homes had yet to be built. As they were being worked on we would on occasion walk through along with other neighbors there. Then again, the company building it when we moved in expressly said they didn't mind either when we moved in and were asking about other homes. They said if there weren't locks on the doors they weren't upset if neighborhood residents did so. I am not sure if that was said to everyone else though, but it was said to us through the sales rep selling to us at the time. Still, I know of similar things in other neighbor hoods where the residents would quite often with curiosity check out homes under construction. No one I knew got in trouble. I hadn't heard about people getting into trouble for just looking either, but I must admit I never researched this subject either.
I certainly wouldn't have care about people looking through a house under construction during the day. At night, unless I saw it to be a company worker I might have raised issues, but not during the day.
I thought this was new construction on a lot that already had existing structures. One of the surveillance clips shows a boat outside the structure, so someone was keeping property there.
Love the thread count. Getting to Egyptian cotton quality.
Trespass is a crime last time I checked. It isn't a felony in and of itself, but it is a crime. I didn't say he was running away from a crime either. He left the house he wasn't suppose to be at and then the McMichaels and Bryan Williams followed where he went soon after at some point. Both the McMichaels and Williams, separate groups of people that don't know each other according to their statements, witnessed Arbery enter and leave the house. Both decided to follow after. The McMichaels went armed and Bryan went with a cell phone to record it. This is all according to the statements given through their legal council at this point.
The Georgia B&E doesn't distinguish between houses built or being built. It specifically states in the statute listed that a building designated to be an occupied residence counts. Last I checked, a home being built fits that legal definition even if it isn't occupied yet.
ok...you are leaving out the fact that a regular citizen cannot detain or make a citizens arrest for trespassing! Just because one of the assassins was an ex police officer or detective means jack shit!
All that should have been donw is the assassins should have called the police! There was no reason at all to approach the victim the way they did with weapons and their vehicles!
Last time I checked you could not even make a citizens arrest for trepassing unless that property was owned by you!
You keep trying tpo sp[ion this in such a way that the 2 assassins might get off without being punished!
Yet you wonder why normal; people call people like you names.....
I have yet to hear you voice any remorse for the life of that blkack man who was assassinated!
A good article from actual lawyer Bronze Star winning Harvard graduate, probably more informed than AT eLawyers and eVigilantes :
https://thedispatch.com/p/a-vigilante-killing-in-Georgia
It eviscerates any "defense" these gentlemen might have.