In this case unless you are a KKK member or a white supremacist these two men are murdered that black man!!
Nah. Let’s go full North Korea. Jail them. Their kids and grandkids.Hope they both get the death sentence or vigilante justice I'm fine with as well.
GA law states in order to make a citizens arrest you must have either "witnessed" the crime or have knowledge a crime was just committed. Let's assume he was a suspect, those 2 guys were not in any position to know if a crime had just been committed. They had no grounds for a citizens arrest.
Also you are acting like local justice in on the up and up. Why was no grand jury called for until the video was released? They were going to bury this until other evidence popped up
You still have not answered why no arrest? We have at a minimum probable cause for arrest.
Now we know they are suspected at a minimum (your word) of negligent homicide it would be ok for a black mob to go to their house call them our and demand answers. Since we have the video there is evidence a crime had just been committed. Is this another "only white people" get to approach suspected criminals armed with deadly weapons?
You also omitted Arbury was a regular jogger. Known for running in streets.
Nah. Let’s go full North Korea. Jail them. Their kids and grandkids.
Anyone can hate anyone, it's possible he thought he saw a possible suspect but damm, having two guys with loaded guns in pursuit and stopping him from jogging is just insane. Call the cops if you think you see anything suspicious, I think they will eventually see a guilty conviction here, the 'defense" crap will fail, since there is audio and since 12-gauge shotguns tend to be quite loud, it's clear the "tussle" for the gun began after he had already been hit. Such nerve!, attempting not to die after he'd already absorbed a shotgun blast.Supposedly there is more than they went off the description of a "black man" here. However, if not then yes it would be racially motivated. There is conflicting reports out right now about the motivations behind the McMicheals. What a lot of people don't know, is that the father here was originally a police officer before and investigative detective. I am just having a hard time at this point in time believing that he went after some random black dude he saw running down the street because "race" as many here are wanting to call it.
Anyone can hate anyone, it's possible he thought he saw a possible suspect but damm, having two guys with loaded guns in pursuit and stopping him from jogging is just insane. Call the cops if you think you see anything suspicious, I think they will eventually see a guilty conviction here, the 'defense" crap will fail
since there is audio and since 12-gauge shotguns tend to be quite loud, it's clear the "tussle" for the gun began after he had already been hit. Such nerve!, attempting not to die after he'd already absorbed a shotgun blast.
A defense letting them completely off might fail because of law regarding brandishing.
Are we seeing the same video? To me, it seems like no shots were fired until sometime after noticing Arbrey is rushing the guy with the shotgun.
A defense letting them completely off might fail because of law regarding brandishing.
Are we seeing the same video? To me, it seems like no shots were fired until sometime after noticing Arbrey is rushing the guy with the shotgun.
In an earlier call at 1.08pm, a different unidentified caller reports “a guy in a house right now, a house under construction”. The dispatcher asks if the man is breaking into the property, to which the caller responds: “No, it’s all open, it’s under construction.”
The caller then says, “He’s running right now, and there he goes right now,” referring to Arbery, who was taking his usual jog around the neighborhood. The dispatcher asks: “OK, what is he doing?” The caller replies: “He’s running down the street.”
A few second later, the dispatcher says: “I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be?”
“Uh, I’m out here at Satilla Shores. There’s a black male running down the street,”
Travis, the guy is running down the street, let's go
The 911 calls show the dispatcher was asking the men what Arbery is doing that was of criminal concern, Merritt said.
"They didn't give any answer for that, they said, 'He's a black man running down our road,'" Merritt said.
Only one burglary, an automobile burglary, was reported to county police in the Satilla Shores neighborhood between Jan. 1 and Feb. 23, according to documents obtained by The News in a public records request to the Glynn County Police Department. It involved a Smith & Wesson M&P 9 mm pistol stolen Jan. 1 from a pickup truck outside 230 Satilla Drive, the home of Travis McMichael, according to the police report.
So lets see here, he rounds the truck to see a 12-guage pointed in his face, now he might have though that these 2 men who had already cut him off once were going to shoot him at this point, are we going to play the "he should have done this or that " game?. No, they shouldn't have been accosting him in the 1st place, a young man is dead because these guys were irritated he was jogging in "Trump country".There are a few videos and the audio seems off on all of them. However, one detail is that in all of them, the first shot is most definitely heard after Arbrey starts running at the guy with the shotgun as he rounds the front of the truck. One video has the initial shot right as Arbrey makes physical contact, and one a few seconds later when the gun is pointing down at the ground. If the later audio is more correct, there would be evidence of the shot being fired into the ground. The only conclusion I can draw here is that I hear the shots being made after Arbrey ran at him, which at least would indicate the shot wasn't fired in cold blood for murder. Then again, the audio could be so far off the shot actually did occur before he started running at him. I find that highly unlikely for anyone to run at a person holding a gun that is already shooting at them and has hit them. A shotgun if fired first before Arbrey started running isn't going to miss from that distance. Which is kind of the point of a shotgun.
I am only saying the case for this being a couple of "white assassins" shooting first is a pure bullshit claim based on the evidence presented. I already stated my views though of the evidence I know it still pointing to them being guilty of crimes including negligent homicide or manslaughter.
Take nothin g with a grain of salt!! YES!! He did as a child, should that allow those who assassinated him to go free?According to a release from one of the original prosecutors, take it with a grain of salt but it was stated to the press, that Arbery already had a previous charges against him.
These forums have become saturated with people out to ascribe racism at any little thing and in doing so are being racist themselves. It is sad really. It ends up diluting the impact of the word and makes forums like this look bad.
Another reason to use the ignore button.Damn this is close to spidey level mental gymnastics.
Damn this is close to spidey level mental gymnastics.
So lets see here, he rounds the truck to see a 12-guage pointed in his face, now he might have though that these 2 men who had already cut him off once were going to shoot him at this point, are we going to play the "he should have done this or that " game?. No, they shouldn't have been accosting him in the 1st place, a young man is dead because these guys were irritated he was jogging in "Trump country".
Damn this is close to spidey level mental gymnastics.
There was spidey07 and SlowSpyder.spidey07? Is that racist [edit: lol @ the profanity filter] still around?
Well, he's not on trial so it doesn't much matter what he might have or could have done. It's the assailants, specifically the father who is in legal jeopardy. He obviously shouldn't have been brandishing a weapon, and hopefully he's found guilty of something if only for that much, but the murder charge itself may be an uphill battle. It's unfortunate that the camera veered away during important moments and that during the most important moment (just prior to the first gunshot) the subjects are largely occluded by the truck. Given the way self defence laws are structured (which is arguably too permissive), and that the threshold is reasonable doubt (which is exactly what it should be), that leaves a lot for the defence to work with.
Which isn't to say that there might not be more witnesses or evidence, or perhaps the short conversation in the video can be enhanced and isolation and will provide more context... but just based on the video alone I'm skeptical that it will support a murder charge. I think the best you could pin on him would be negligent homicide.
Gregory McMichael, a 64-year-old former police officer, and his adult son, Travis, 34, were captured on the video, which was taken by Travis' neighbor, William Bryan.
The three men were in "hot pursuit" of Arbery, according to a memo obtained by USA TODAY, written by the district attorney who previously led the investigation into Arbery's death. The attorney initially told police he did not see grounds for an arrest of the men, according to the memo.
Alan Tucker, a criminal defense lawyer in Brunswick, put out a statement Thursday saying that he released the video.
"My sole purpose in releasing the video was absolute transparency because my community was being ripped apart by erroneous accusations and assumptions," Tucker said. "There had been very little information provided by the police department or the district attorney’s office, but there was entirely too much speculation, rumor, false narratives, and outright lies surrounding this event."
Tucker said that while his firm had not been retained to represent anyone in the case, it "may be." Tucker said he obtained the video from the person who recorded it on their cell phone.
From the article:
Well this just makes the entire story far more interesting. If the guy making the video was a part of the posse, then I wonder how the video was released? Did they think it was exculpatory? Did the third guy have a crisis of conscience? Did someone else get a hold of the video somehow? Has it been molested in any way? At the very least it puts into question what happened after the video caught off, since that point may have been picked out of convenience.
Edit: Looks like the video was posted anonymously.
Here's exactly how I think you should see this...followed by this: " Again, it's best to take a wait and see approach her to understand the dynamics of what happened in this case."According to the second prosecutor released affidavit here, The McMichaels and Bryan Williams were in "hot pursuit" chasing him as they witnessed a crime that happened and were attempting to stop him. If that is the case and Arbrey had committed a crime that they directly witnessed, the whole scenario is vastly different. What I said earlier about having weapons brandished is no longer illegal if they are dealing with someone that has committed a crime they were in direct witness of. Again, it's best to take a wait and see approach her to understand the dynamics of what happened in this case.
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Here's exactly how I think you should see this...followed by this: " Again, it's best to take a wait and see approach her to understand the dynamics of what happened in this case."
According to the second prosecutor released affidavit here, The McMichaels and Bryan Williams were in "hot pursuit" chasing him as they witnessed a crime that happened and were attempting to stop him. If that is the case and Arbrey had committed a crime that they directly witnessed, the whole scenario is vastly different. What I said earlier about having weapons brandished is no longer illegal if they are dealing with someone that has committed a crime they were in direct witness of. Again, it's best to take a wait and see approach her to understand the dynamics of what happened in this case.