Trayvon Martin all over again.

[HomerJS]

If they saw a WHITE jogger exiting a house they know doesn't belong to them I'd say they probably would. I can play the speculation game, but why are you trying to make the race baiting assumption here first? If I saw anyone doing something illegal I certainly would do the right thing regardless of the colors of the skins of the people involved. But the title of this thread is becoming appropriate. Many people posting here are all wanting to jump on the race baiting band wagon right from the get go. Originally I was just as aghast when the major news broke out on the Trayvon story because the only thing in the media was that of pictures of a 12 year old boy that the lie Benjamin Crump put out. We all know how that turned out and still to this day people think Trayvon was a cherub little 12 year boy stalked and gunned down by a white nazi maniac.

Can you have a little prudence in judgements? Conjecture, speculation, and honest opinions are one thing. The condemnation, vitrol, and pure outrage without knowing the whole story is just sad. I can understand it if solely directed at the two guys involved to a degree, but when other posters on this forum are just asking people to tone it down and get the same vitriol spewed at them it's more than a little sad at that point.

You fail to acknowledge there is a presumption of criminal guilt assigned to black people not assigned to white people. If you don't know that you are either ignorant or a racist. I created an entire thread of black people suffering various levels of indignity just for existing. White people assuming we don't have the right to congregate the same public space as them.

Two white guys chase me down the street in a truck. Get out and pull guns on me how am I not supposed to take that as a threat and/or an attack? I have every right in self defense to DISARM the attacker. How the fuck is that in itself an attack?

In case you didn't pick it up, I am black.

 

[cytg111]

Wait, unreasonable in what way? By asking people to use their heads and logic and not think with their reptilian brain part to scream out "RACIST MURDERERS" the moment they get a whiff of any story like this? Because that is all I did. I then also stepped through the facts as been shown to the public thus far and give my opinion, which I labeled as opinion, on the situation as I see it. That opinion being I don't think it was a racist cold-blooded murder but instead some idiots making stupid mistakes with potentially good intentions. Of which those mistakes led to a tragedy and they should be held accountable to those mistakes under the law. I am for them being arrested, tried, and if the evidence as presented so far is what we know to all be true, then they should end up in jail for negligent homicide.

So how is that unreasonable again? Where I have made personal or ad hominen attacks? Where have I not calmly and with great detail explained everything and my positions?

I dont think many members reads your stuff after you posted this... Its like "a lost cause", better move on and not interact, understand?

"These forums have become saturated with people out to ascribe racism at any little thing and in doing so are being racist themselves. "

 

[HumblePie]

You fail to acknowledge there is a presumption of criminal guilt assigned to black people not assigned to white people. If you don't know that you are either ignorant or a racist. I created an entire thread of black people suffering various levels of indignity just for existing. White people assuming we don't have the right to congregate the same public space as them.

Two white guys chase me down the street in a truck. Get out and pull guns on me how am I not supposed to take that as a threat and/or an attack? I have every right in self defense to DISARM the attacker. How the fuck is that in itself an attack?

In case you didn't pick it up, I am black.

You want to see racism at every turn that is your problem. There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white. There numbers are also higher. Even still, those groups are tiny over all. What we have these days is the media wanting to decry everything as racism to stroke fear in people. The media does this for money because it works. It has always worked. Fear and sex sells. When people get bombarded by this all the time they start to see things as bigger than they really are. This is why people thing guns in this country are such a huge problem when they are not when it comes to total deaths or even where gun deaths not due to suicide typically happen.

It ends up you start to look for racism or see every experience through through the lens of racism everywhere. It certainly doesn't exist like that. I am sorry if you feel so bad in your life that you think everything has to be racist. I can recommend you take a break from forums like these, watching news, and just go enjoy life for some perspective for a bit.


As for your comments on the original story. Have you not read what I wrote earlier? If Arbrey committed no felony crime and was just looking around a house that was under construction while he was on a jog then hell yes he has a right to defend him self if two people with guns come at him regardless if they were white, black, asian, hispanic, or whatever. I certainly would. At the same time I may not have immediately attack in defense right away either if they were yelling at me to ask me a question. I certainly would have been upset and yelling at them to put their guns away if they want to talk to me. At least that is what I would do in that situation. Then i would say I am calling the cops on them for brandishing their weapons at me for no reason. That is just what i would do, but i also know that different people react differently to a stressful situation. I am not saying at all Arbrey's reaction to the situation was wrong in the sense that it was unjust, but it did lead to him losing his life as part of the situation as a whole. And don't go spouting what if crap about he wouldn't be dead if those guys hadn't chased him down with guns either. That is a given and is a stupid thing to say. I have stated numerous times already the McMichaels should never have chased down Arbrey to confront him with guns drawn. It was one thing to call the police and follow him in their truck without ever getting out until the cops arrive.

The McMichaels committed a serious criminal mistake and will go to jail for it. Arbrey tragically lost his life over it. Then we have the media and people stroking race hatred tensions over this which may or may not be the case. If it is the case, the McMichaels will serve even more time for it.

Also, I want to throw this out there, my wife and kids aren't white either. My neighbors and some of my best friends aren't white as well. I grew up on Hawaii where being white was the minority and I got attacked brutally several times growing up there for being white. I know more about racism then most of my black friends that really haven't experienced it first hand. Yes, there are black people that live in this country that haven't ever been attacked for their color of their skin. So try calling me a racist

 

[soundforbjt]

There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white.

Link?

 

[HumblePie]

I dont think many members reads your stuff after you posted this... Its like "a lost cause", better move on and not interact, understand?

"These forums have become saturated with people out to ascribe racism at any little thing and in doing so are being racist themselves. "

They have. I've been on these forums since they first started back in 98. I've seen it change and evolve over the past 2+ decades. It changed drastically at the time of the Trayvon Martin case being discussed back in 2012. So many people were out to jump on the bandwagon of that being the narrative of a cherub 12 year old black boy hunted down in a cold blood by a white nazi man for buying skittles from a store. The media purposefully editted 911 calls, and help Crump put out things to direct the narrative that way. Many people here bought it and woe to anyone that disagreed with the media assertion or tried to look at the facts of the case. If you weren't screaming for Zimmerman's blood and death to all white people you were a racist white nazi yourself.That is literally what these forums devolved into at the time. Many of those same posters are still around and haven't changed their tune. I took a break from these forums because of how bad it was as you couldn't get any sort of civil discourse at all around here.

 

[HumblePie]

Link?

List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Count the amount of groups. Even still take those numbers with a grain of salt because the SPLC and ADL like to list tons of things that aren't hate groups as hate groups because at one time they showed up a similar protest for something else. Like if you show up to a rally to protest a building being built or something and another group known as a "hate" group does as well then they lump you in with their numbers from then on out.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered

After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice.

www.usatoday.com

 

[soundforbjt]

List of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Count the amount of groups. Even still take those numbers with a grain of salt because the SPLC and ADL like to list tons of things that aren't hate groups as hate groups because at one time they showed up a similar protest for something else. Like if you show up to a rally to protest a building being built or something and another group known as a "hate" group does as well then they lump you in with their numbers from then on out.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered

After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice.

www.usatoday.com

The numbers don't add up with your claim of "There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white."
Please quote the part that supports your claim.

 

[cytg111]

They have. I've been on these forums since they first started back in 98. I've seen it change and evolve over the past 2+ decades. It changed drastically at the time of the Trayvon Martin case being discussed back in 2012. So many people were out to jump on the bandwagon of that being the narrative of a cherub 12 year old black boy hunted down in a cold blood by a white nazi man for buying skittles from a store. The media purposefully editted 911 calls, and help Crump put out things to direct the narrative that way. Many people here bought it and woe to anyone that disagreed with the media assertion or tried to look at the facts of the case. If you weren't screaming for Zimmerman's blood and death to all white people you were a racist white nazi yourself.That is literally what these forums devolved into at the time. Many of those same posters are still around and haven't changed their tune. I took a break from these forums because of how bad it was as you couldn't get any sort of civil discourse at all around here.

You are simply wrong. If your line of thought had any legitimacy to it, YOU would be the racist for pretending racism doesnt exists.

You know those people that deny that the holocaust ever happened? Dont be that guy.

 

[HumblePie]

The numbers don't add up with your claim of "There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white."
Please quote the part that supports your claim.

You have to take those add them up and include various gang groups as well. Be aware, the SPLC likes to double list white groups into more than one category, but don't do the same for black groups. Also for some reason the SPLC doesn't list non white gangs as hate groups but the FBI does. SPLC lists the ones trying to be political more often and less often the ones actually trying to hurt others based on hate reasons if they aren't political. Also, the SPLC likes to list white gangs as hate groups but not the reverse. So gangs like Skinsheads and Nazi Lowriders which are clearly criminal gangs the SPLC lists as hate groups, but groups like Zoe Pound or MS 13 don't show up in the SPLC hate groups. Gangs are all by definition hate groups as they are a tribal group that attacks other people based on things like sex, race, and religion. They may not have a specific goal of furthering their tribal cause, but they are a hate groups all the same.

Edit to throw this out here as well.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

In 2008, there were 2,788,600 violent acts against whites, and blacks committed 15.4 percent of them. There were 570,550 violent acts against blacks, and whites committed 15.9 percent of them. Numbers in table 42.

So there were 429,444 violent black on white crimes recorded. There were 90,709 white on black crimes. Just by raw numbers there is 5 times more black on white than white on black crimes. Now if you take those numbers by percentage of the population that blacks and whites make up and compare on a per 100,000 ratio you can see how much more likely a white person is to be a victim of a violent crime by a black person versus the other way.

(429444 / 40610815) * 100000 = 1057
(90709 / 234370202) * 100000 = 38

There are 1057 incidents per 100,000 capita of black on white violent crime versus 38 incidents per 100,000 capita of white on black violent crime.

Not all that is "hate crime" but a large factor of it is. Bigger difference being between how it is recorded and reported. FBI is more likely to attach the label of hate crime to white on black crimes versus the other way around these days. As I posted in a previous link about a survey presented to prisoners who think their violent crimes were racially driven or not, it was huge in the amount of non whites viewing their crimes as hate crimes which were never given the label versus the other way around.

These are just numbers and do with them what you will. I am trying to point out the disservice the media and government is doing to the country these days with their practices. They'll try to say there is more white on black violent crimes because 15.9% is higher than 15.4% but that doesn't tell the real picture at all. Racism and violent crimes are a tragic and horrible thing. Pointing fingers and race baiting do nothing to solve the issue and instead make it worse.

 

[HumblePie]

You are simply wrong. If your line of thought had any legitimacy to it, YOU would be the racist for pretending racism doesnt exists.

You know those people that deny that the holocaust ever happened? Dont be that guy.

Wrong. Racism is alive and well, I just don't jump to conclusions. NYC in the past few years has seen a recent increased in racism hate crimes against jews for example. Those don't get talked about here and barely on the news, but it has been going on.

I find that people that want to shout racism at the very outset are racist themselves. They look for what they are themselves. Some crimes are obviously race driven crimes, like the idiot that shot up hispanic people in El Paso months ago.

 

[esquared]

You want to see racism at every turn that is your problem. There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white. There numbers are also higher. Even still, those groups are tiny over all. What we have these days is the media wanting to decry everything as racism to stroke fear in people. The media does this for money because it works. It has always worked. Fear and sex sells. When people get bombarded by this all the time they start to see things as bigger than they really are. This is why people thing guns in this country are such a huge problem when they are not when it comes to total deaths or even where gun deaths not due to suicide typically happen.

It ends up you start to look for racism or see every experience through through the lens of racism everywhere. It certainly doesn't exist like that. I am sorry if you feel so bad in your life that you think everything has to be racist. I can recommend you take a break from forums like these, watching news, and just go enjoy life for some perspective for a bit.


As for your comments on the original story. Have you not read what I wrote earlier? If Arbrey committed no felony crime and was just looking around a house that was under construction while he was on a jog then hell yes he has a right to defend him self if two people with guns come at him regardless if they were white, black, asian, hispanic, or whatever. I certainly would. At the same time I may not have immediately attack in defense right away either if they were yelling at me to ask me a question. I certainly would have been upset and yelling at them to put their guns away if they want to talk to me. At least that is what I would do in that situation. Then i would say I am calling the cops on them for brandishing their weapons at me for no reason. That is just what i would do, but i also know that different people react differently to a stressful situation. I am not saying at all Arbrey's reaction to the situation was wrong in the sense that it was unjust, but it did lead to him losing his life as part of the situation as a whole. And don't go spouting what if crap about he wouldn't be dead if those guys hadn't chased him down with guns either. That is a given and is a stupid thing to say. I have stated numerous times already the McMichaels should never have chased down Arbrey to confront him with guns drawn. It was one thing to call the police and follow him in their truck without ever getting out until the cops arrive.

The McMichaels committed a serious criminal mistake and will go to jail for it. Arbrey tragically lost his life over it. Then we have the media and people stroking race hatred tensions over this which may or may not be the case. If it is the case, the McMichaels will serve even more time for it.

Also, I want to throw this out there, my wife and kids aren't white either. My neighbors and some of my best friends aren't white as well. I grew up on Hawaii where being white was the minority and I got attacked brutally several times growing up there for being white. I know more about racism then most of my black friends that really haven't experienced it first hand. Yes, there are black people that live in this country that haven't ever been attacked for their color of their skin. So try calling me a racist

This is beyond ridiculous. You lecturing an African American on how to view racism. I am guessing you never even read or participated in his "Existing while being Black thread"
Not only that, you're a "white guy" that's lecturing the African American on how to view racism. Pretty much beyond the pale.

More ridiculousness, is you trying to insert yourself in Ahmaud Arbery's position as a black jogger in Geogia and tell us, HomerJS how "you", a white guy would react in the situation.

And lets throw out these much used racist tropes.
"Also, I want to throw this out there, my wife and kids aren't white either. My neighbors and some of my best friends aren't white as well."
"I find that people that want to shout racism at the very outset are racist themselves. "

And this fucking finale.
"I know more about racism then most of my black friends that really haven't experienced it first hand."

No you fucking don't. A white man in America with white privilege cannot, ever, know more about racism than an African American.
I find it hard to believe there are any, African Americans who have not experienced racism. That's just something you pulled out of your ass.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Are you a racist? Probably. Because no self-respecting white person in American would dare say this bullshit to Americans, much less an African American.

Maybe its time you took that same break to told us you took earlier.

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, one thing good to know. We know how to get some posters out of hibernation.

 

[esquared]

Well, one thing good to know. We know how to get some posters out of hibernation.

You mean out of under their fucking rocks, right?

 

[soundforbjt]

Well, one thing good to know. We know how to get some posters out of hibernation.

I remember his totally wrong law predictions in the Michael Dunn case.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hmm, I wonder what someone who's racist would say..

Also, I want to throw this out there, my wife and kids aren't white either. My neighbors and some of my best friends aren't white as well. I grew up on Hawaii where being white was the minority and I got attacked brutally several times growing up there for being white. I know more about racism then most of my black friends that really haven't experienced it first hand. Yes, there are black people that live in this country that haven't ever been attacked for their color of their skin. So try calling me a racist

Oh wait.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Dead man tell no tales. GG 'Murica

 

[Commodus]

You want to see racism at every turn that is your problem. There are more hate groups recognized by the ADL, FBI, and other groups which are non white than there are white. There numbers are also higher. Even still, those groups are tiny over all. What we have these days is the media wanting to decry everything as racism to stroke fear in people. The media does this for money because it works. It has always worked. Fear and sex sells. When people get bombarded by this all the time they start to see things as bigger than they really are. This is why people thing guns in this country are such a huge problem when they are not when it comes to total deaths or even where gun deaths not due to suicide typically happen.

It ends up you start to look for racism or see every experience through through the lens of racism everywhere. It certainly doesn't exist like that. I am sorry if you feel so bad in your life that you think everything has to be racist. I can recommend you take a break from forums like these, watching news, and just go enjoy life for some perspective for a bit.


As for your comments on the original story. Have you not read what I wrote earlier? If Arbrey committed no felony crime and was just looking around a house that was under construction while he was on a jog then hell yes he has a right to defend him self if two people with guns come at him regardless if they were white, black, asian, hispanic, or whatever. I certainly would. At the same time I may not have immediately attack in defense right away either if they were yelling at me to ask me a question. I certainly would have been upset and yelling at them to put their guns away if they want to talk to me. At least that is what I would do in that situation. Then i would say I am calling the cops on them for brandishing their weapons at me for no reason. That is just what i would do, but i also know that different people react differently to a stressful situation. I am not saying at all Arbrey's reaction to the situation was wrong in the sense that it was unjust, but it did lead to him losing his life as part of the situation as a whole. And don't go spouting what if crap about he wouldn't be dead if those guys hadn't chased him down with guns either. That is a given and is a stupid thing to say. I have stated numerous times already the McMichaels should never have chased down Arbrey to confront him with guns drawn. It was one thing to call the police and follow him in their truck without ever getting out until the cops arrive.

The McMichaels committed a serious criminal mistake and will go to jail for it. Arbrey tragically lost his life over it. Then we have the media and people stroking race hatred tensions over this which may or may not be the case. If it is the case, the McMichaels will serve even more time for it.

Also, I want to throw this out there, my wife and kids aren't white either. My neighbors and some of my best friends aren't white as well. I grew up on Hawaii where being white was the minority and I got attacked brutally several times growing up there for being white. I know more about racism then most of my black friends that really haven't experienced it first hand. Yes, there are black people that live in this country that haven't ever been attacked for their color of their skin. So try calling me a racist

I'm going to join in the chorus and point out that you just told a black person that he didn't experience the racism he has clearly experienced. You also pulled the "but some of my friends are black!" stunt, and having a non-white family doesn't exempt you from criticism for that.

Yes, anti-white racism exists and I'm sorry to hear you've gone through it, but trying to pretend that's equivalent to what black people have gone through... you're trivializing it, simply speaking. Please let people who deal with racism on an ongoing basis actually share their experiences instead of trying to override them.

 

[darkswordsman17]

You mean out of under their fucking rocks, right?

Well sure they make bridges out of rocks sometimes, especially the ones trolls like to hangout under.

FYI, for the people trying to be sympathetic, guarantee you that the racism that motherfucker experienced is not at all what they claim it is and you'd probably be extra pissed that they're trying to claim they really experienced racism while almost no black people have. IIRC its something like them claiming that affirmative action cost them a job promotion.

 

[cytg111]

Wrong. Racism is alive and well, I just don't jump to conclusions. NYC in the past few years has seen a recent increased in racism hate crimes against jews for example. Those don't get talked about here and barely on the news, but it has been going on.

I find that people that want to shout racism at the very outset are racist themselves. They look for what they are themselves. Some crimes are obviously race driven crimes, like the idiot that shot up hispanic people in El Paso months ago.

You dont check out dude... your story about being the victim of racism cause you are white, Hawaii etc? - I dont believe a second of it. I think you are making it up as you go along.

 

[Perknose]

I find that people that want to shout racism at the very outset are racist themselves.

Well, I've found that people who try to turn racism on its head in order to deny it are fond of claiming that anti-racists are racist.

That's 1984 speak -- up is down, white is black -- pure and simple.

Only a racist like yourself who likes to believe he isn't racist thinks that tired trope will fly with anyone not up to their elbows in the quagmire of personal and institutional racism that continue to blight our country 150 years plus after we -- well, parts of our country at least -- stopped trying to formally claim that black folks were the subhuman property of white folks, and got down to the pervasive business of denying them the same opportunities and civil rights the rest of us have always taken for granted.

If you don't see what happened to this jogger is suffused with racism through and through it's only because . . . YOU . . . DON'T . . . WANT . . . TO.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I thought thi was appropriate in this thread..
The whole damn Police Department is corrupt it seems! Not a good one in the bunch!!'

For a Georgia Police Force, a Bungled Shooting Case Follows a Trail of Woes

BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- When the Glynn County Police Department arrived at the scene of a fatal shooting in February in southeastern Georgia, officers encountered a former colleague with the victim's blood on his hands.They took down his version of events and let him and his adult son, who had fired the

www.yahoo.com

 

[JEDIYoda]

Wrong. Racism is alive and well, I just don't jump to conclusions. NYC in the past few years has seen a recent increased in racism hate crimes against jews for example. Those don't get talked about here and barely on the news, but it has been going on.

I find that people that want to shout racism at the very outset are racist themselves. They look for what they are themselves. Some crimes are obviously race driven crimes, like the idiot that shot up hispanic people in El Paso months ago.

you need to find that rock that you crawled out from under and go back to hiding! I would have believed that you were to smart to try to pull something like what you are doing....but I guess not!!
You need to return for a refund your book - How to influence friends and win Enemies!!
Have you read any of what has been posted?
Let me guess comprehension is not your forte....

 

[pauldun170]

Pit stop at the house

GDPR Support

www.ajc.com

 

[JEDIYoda]

Pit stop at the house

GDPR Support

www.ajc.com

What the video shows is that this man committed no crime and as such his murder was not justified!

 

[pauldun170]

What the video shows is that this man committed no crime and as such his murder was not justified!

The video shows nothing more than someone being nosy.

Unless the constructions site is roped off, ANY new construction can expect lookey-loos
Arbery should have disguised himself as an middle aged white man.
Those are the normal assholes around here who feel so entitled that they can just walk on up and poke around a new home build.
It's usually after they let there dog crap on the lawn without picking it up.