Dont thing so,
Again what is sad is the fact that a 32nm 35W Trinity humiliates the 22nm tri-gate 45W IB in games. If that is your "Intel doing better", then AMD did the unthinkable with Trinity and certainly didnt fucked up .
We've only known about Intel and Nvidia's cross licensing a few months back. It is impossible for them to implement in a matter of months. These stuff takes years of planning before it even hits the market.
As far as Trinity goes, its good but not good enough. If Haswell is a huge leap in IGP improvement, AMD's APU is in hot soup.
You think the i3 and i5 IB will be 45W? All anand had to test the HD4000 was a high end i7.
Bottom line is Intel's is gaining ground on AMD IGPU's. AMD is losing ground to Intel CPU's. Come Haswell, AMD will lose on both fronts and then continue to fall further and further behind unless intel gets bored or is worried about appeasing anti-trust investigators.
Did Intel get there on its own? Didn't they settle some sort of lawsuit with Nvidia where they paid a lot of money to NV but got access to a bunch of NV Graphics IP? I seem to remember reading about that many months ago.
Why are we already discussing haswell? Ivy just got launched and trinity is busy getting launched. Talking about how the follow up to either will dominate is silly at best. Plus, you sure about AMD losing out on the cpu vs Intel with this? Ivy was just a small improvement over sandy on that part and this is a significant improvement over llano. Sure, they're still very far behind but this was a step in the right direction.
I wish that AMD would have gone with a form of sideport memory instead for the IGP. Faster RAM is great but it just adds cost to the laptop which is not what most people want. AMD has to price Trinity laptops below Intel's offerings to be competitive and any added cost that might make it priced similar to Intel's offerings is just going to hurt their sales. I want to see what Haswell with its L4 cache is capable.I wish AMD's mobile APUs supported faster RAM......
I wish that AMD would have gone with a form of sideport memory instead for the IGP. Faster RAM is great but it just adds cost to the laptop which is not what most people want. AMD has to price Trinity laptops below Intel's offerings to be competitive and any added cost that might make it priced similar to Intel's offerings is just going to hurt their sales. I want to see what Haswell with its L4 cache is capable.
IB was a standard tick improvement on the CPU front. In a year when 22nm is matured Haswell will be a large increase in CPU performance.
So yeah I am pretty sure about AMD losing out on the CPU like they have been for the past 6 years and for most of their existence except for 1 architecture in 2003
When Llano was brand new there were driver issues. I wonder if that's a factor holding Trinity back at all right now.
Are they doing the dual graphics thing with Trinity btw?
The announcement was made in Jan of 2011, a year and four months ago (although it does seem only a few months ago.)We've only known about Intel and Nvidia's cross licensing a few months back. It is impossible for them to implement in a matter of months. These stuff takes years of planning before it even hits the market.
Let's hope that Trinity's improvement from LLano translates into at least an equal gain by the Desktop Piledriver from Bulldozer.
Like it or not, they had more improvement in 2012 than Intel had. Next year is next year, and if you remember bulldozer it's not a good idea to accept improvement for something before it's released. Just accept that trinity was a good improvement over llano and that intel still has the better cpu while amd still has the better gpu. For now.
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...ense-agreement-intel-to-pay-nvidia-15-billion
That's more than sufficient time to include it into a product. I bet that HD4000 owes part of its performance increase to Nvidia IP.
It's for all practical purposes impossible to build a desktop GPU without infringing on an AMD/NV patent. This agreement allows Intel to continue producing their IGPs, just as how the original 2004 chipset agreement allowed Intel to produce more modern IGPs in return for NVIDIA getting a chipset license.
Fair enough, but its reasonable to have more faith it what intel says is coming than AMD dont you think?
It's going to be pretty cool when the desktop version of this comes out.
If the mobile part's GPU is clocked around 450 mhz, the desktop I've heard will be 800. Probably can hit 1ghz with good water cooling.
Let's hope that Trinity's improvement from LLano translates into at least an equal gain by the Desktop Piledriver from Bulldozer.
Is the A10-4600M and i7 processors with HD4000 even in the same price range?
Jarred writes about 600$ laptops, but the only 3720QM laptop that I found in a quick newegg search was a tricked out $2100 ASUS G75.
I know the 3720QM is not the cheapest of the lineup, but if manufacturers insist on putting i7 processors in $1000+ laptops, then Trinity will be competing against HD2500 in price.
Feel free to bash me, as I have no idea on how the market will evolve.
I wish that AMD would have gone with a form of sideport memory instead for the IGP. Faster RAM is great but it just adds cost to the laptop which is not what most people want. AMD has to price Trinity laptops below Intel's offerings to be competitive and any added cost that might make it priced similar to Intel's offerings is just going to hurt their sales. I want to see what Haswell with its L4 cache is capable.