Trinity review

[ShadowVVL]

Sorry if this has already been posted. But it says amd is planning to release trinity around October or later.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-trinity-cpu-motherboard-mainboard,15922.html

 

[piesquared]

That's PIB. OEM Trinity desktops are becoming available.

 

[ShadowVVL]

That's PIB. OEM Trinity desktops are becoming available.

yeah I did a bit more digging and found the OEM trinity should be available next week.

Not sure what PIB means.

 

[Vesku]

Processor In Box

In other words, too busy meeting Trinity OEM demand to throw custom builders some any time soon.

 

[Red Hawk]

You could still take Trinity out of the OEM PC. Though that's a rather expensive way to get your hands on it.

 

[ShadowVVL]

Processor In Box

I should have figured,Thankyou

You could still take Trinity out of the OEM PC. Though that's a rather expensive way to get your hands on it.

Lol yes it would be, I was hoping it would be out 15 of june so I could build a htpc but I guess I will just wait.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Processor In Box

In other words, too busy meeting Trinity OEM demand to throw custom builders some any time soon.

That would sound like supply problems again from the foundry. Just like Llano. AMD just havent had any luck with those.

 

[leper84]

That would sound like supply problems again from the foundry. Just like Llano. AMD just havent had any luck with those.

So in the same vein since you almost have to be a jedi master to buy a 680, nvidia is having supply problems, they suck, its the end of the world and they're gonna go out of business?

Are you really that bored you have to troll every single point as negative against AMD?

 

[ShintaiDK]

So in the same vein since you almost have to be a jedi master to buy a 680, nvidia is having supply problems, they suck, its the end of the world and they're gonna go out of business?

Are you really that bored you have to troll every single point as negative against AMD?

You should stay to the facts instead of being bitter:
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/21760
http://pcper.com/news/General-Tech/More-GLOBALFOUNDRIES-32nm-process-and-supply-problems-weve-seen
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/report_amds_llano_supply_woes_continue_2012
http://lenzfire.com/2011/12/amd-llano-apus-supply-shortage-will-be-back-to-normal-soon-96888/

Basicly Llano production never got where AMD wanted it. Thanks to GF.

AMD is trying to improve the availability of these chips and sure AMD’s second-generation A-series APUs code-named Trinity will solve the problem of AMD APU availability.

Looks to me they hit the exact same wall.

And there are sold more GTX 680 already than HD7970...so

 

[Cpus]

You guys do understand AMD is only 1/20 the size of intel and nvidia. I'm surprised they are still here today.

 

[Vesku]

Not enough information as of yet, Llano was yield issues on top of strong demand. Trinity could be mostly strong demand supply constraints. At some point AMD will mark a milestone of number of Trinity APUs shipped and then we can compare to Llano.

Judging from how long they've had great looking Trinity samples, my guess is that there are indeed some production issues continuing to plague GF 32nm.

That would sound like supply problems again from the foundry. Just like Llano. AMD just havent had any luck with those.

 

[Olikan]

You guys do understand AMD is only 1/20 the size of intel and nvidia. I'm surprised they are still here today.

amd is actually 50% bigger than nvidia

 

[iCyborg]

amd is actually 50% bigger than nvidia

AMD's GPU division, however, is several times smaller than nVidia.

 

[Arzachel]

The supply isn't exactly as good as AMD would like, but I don't think it's cost-effective for GF to invest more into 32nm fabs. Gf is probably better off pushing for 28nm to get more high profile clients.

And there are sold more GTX 680 already than HD7970...so

Got a source for this statement? (No, Steam doesn't count)

 

[ShintaiDK]

Got a source for this statement? (No, Steam doesn't count)

Then you already say you refuse any information. So no, I cant be bothered with giving you other sources since they would result in the same. Hardware survey for millions of gaming users aint enough obviously.

 

[Homeles]

Hardware survey for millions of gaming users aint enough obviously.

The sampling size is several orders of magnitude less for the survey. The survey is only good for showing trends over long periods of time... month to month data is practically useless.

 

[Arzachel]

Then you already say you refuse any information. So no, I cant be bothered with giving you other sources since they would result in the same. Hardware survey for millions of gaming users aint enough obviously.

You said the word "sold". The burden of proof is on you to provide some sales data to back up your statement. I'll also be an ass and point out that all three of your sentences in that post are objectively false or fallacies.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You said the word "sold". The burden of proof is on you to provide some sales data to back up your statement. I'll also be an ass and point out that all three of your sentences in that post are objectively false or fallacies.

When you refuse the data shown its obvious. On steam more people own a GTX680 than a HD7970. And thats really bad for the HD7970 considering its long headstart.

 

[pelov]

I'm not sure it's a yield issue at all. AMD stated they've had no problems with 32nm yields since initial problems shortly after Llano release that extended throughout the course of 1Q. Since then AMD and GloFo have both stated that 32nm yields are fine. GloFo actually matched and exceeded their 32nm shipments for 2011 after ironing out their earlier issues.

According to GF’s CEO, Ajit Manocha, relatively recent changes to the company’s 32/28nm production have yielded significant improvements. AMD’s CEO, Rory Read, weighed in with the following: “AMD and GLOBALFOUNDRIES worked in close partnership during 2011… In just one quarter, we were able to see more than a doubling of yields on 32nm, allowing us to exit 2011 having exceeded our 32nm product shipment requirements. Based on this successful ramp of 32nm HKMG, we are committed to moving ahead on 28nm with GLOBALFOUNDRIES.”

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...s-still-refusing-to-commit-to-28nm-production
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/..._of_250_Thousand_32nm_HKMG_Wafers_to_AMD.html

What AMD mobo makers and OEMs did state, though, is that they had way too many Llano motherboards sitting around collecting dust. AMD had already delayed Trinity (desktop version) in order to sell more Llanos + motherboards. It wouldn't surprise me if it's another case of delaying a product to appease OEMs so they can clear stock. It's been done before. Considering the mobile versions (Trinity laptop chip) have had no issues with yields it's likely either OEMs/retailers looking to clear stock or AMD has had to provide more Trinity chips than they expected. If they had yield issues we'd have heard about it like we did with Llano + 45nm ramping but it's been dead silent and all signs point to it being quite fine.

 

[Arzachel]

When you refuse the data shown its obvious. On steam more people own a GTX680 than a HD7970. And thats really bad for the HD7970 considering its long headstart.

Ok, let me break it down for you:
1) I'm not refusing to examine data provided, you refuse to provide valid data. Steam is not sales data. Not even in the same ballpark.
2)Your second sentence is wrong because the sample size of the survey is smaller than the total number of steam users. What's more, we don't know the total sample size, the algorithm used to provide the percentages, the time between repeated polling of the same user etc.

While the Steam survey is amazingly useful for Valve and the companies they consult, the amount of information exposed to the public is pretty barebone.

 

[dx11101]

Obviously AMD Fusion for the desktop is low on AMD's priority list. We all know they have bigger fish to fry. I was thinking about getting a 2nd Gen fusion but they are still only pushing fusion as a mainstream entry level product....

 

[frozentundra123456]

Obviously AMD Fusion for the desktop is low on AMD's priority list. We all know they have bigger fish to fry. I was thinking about getting a 2nd Gen fusion but they are still only pushing fusion as a mainstream entry level product....

Sort of confused by this post. On the desktop their performance limits them to this segment. Were you expecting something more out of trinity?