Trolling is Serious Buisness

jlee

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“What law am I breaking? I’m not the one out of the fucking kitchen,” Alchin replied.

Apparently, the answer to that question was section 474.17 of the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act, which carries a maximum sentence of three years imprisonment.



I hope he gets the full three years.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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...is this description forreal? (ie "type of girl...")



//edit

oh, I should read:

The comment was prompted from a lyric in Melville’s Tinder bio from rapper Drake’s hit song ‘Only,’ reading: “Type of girl that will suck you dry and then eat some lunch with you”.
 

motsm

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Well, Australia officially stinks.

:Edit: Here is what he is being charged under.
474.17 Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence (1) A person commits an offence if:
(a) the person uses a carriage service; and
(b) the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive.
Just some arbitrary catch all, that can target anyone who gets caught in the crosshairs of some disgusting social media frenzy.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Actually they passed a similar law here in Canada. They call it the anti bullying act or something. I can't recall if it only applies to FB and other social media or if it counts on forums too, but think you can get like 10 years or something. Pretty insane.
 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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Well, Australia officially stinks.

:Edit: Here is what he is being charged under.
Just some arbitrary catch all, that can target anyone who gets caught in the crosshairs of some disgusting social media frenzy.

“You know the best thing about a feminist they don’t get any action so when you rape them it feels 100 times tighter,” he also wrote. An argument broke out in the comments with women pointing out his comments were disgusting, and Alchin wrote “I’d rape you if you were better looking.”

Another post said: “It’s people like you who make it clear women should never have been given rights,” suggesting they should be taken back to the ’50s were women ‘knew their role and shut their damn mouth.‘”

Melville, the woman with the Tinder profile, reportedly attempted to ask Hall to remove the post but when he refused, it prompted her to share the post on her own Facebook page.

Fuck him.
 

sandorski

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Actually they passed a similar law here in Canada. They call it the anti bullying act or something. I can't recall if it only applies to FB and other social media or if it counts on forums too, but think you can get like 10 years or something. Pretty insane.

Something needed to be done, because clearly some people had taken comments to extremes. Both comments directed at them, but also comments directed at others. Whether words should drive someone to suicide or some psychological damage is an interesting issue. Regardless that has happened though and can't be ignored. Now that such Laws are in place it's more important to track how they are applied. Hopefully a few token convictions is all it takes to modify peoples behaviours enough so that the application of these Laws is only needed for extreme cases.
 

Joepublic2

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Something needed to be done, because clearly some people had taken comments to extremes. Both comments directed at them, but also comments directed at others. Whether words should drive someone to suicide or some psychological damage is an interesting issue. Regardless that has happened though and can't be ignored. Now that such Laws are in place it's more important to track how they are applied. Hopefully a few token convictions is all it takes to modify peoples behaviours enough so that the application of these Laws is only needed for extreme cases.

If you kill yourself over words on the internet you deserve to die. I just wish I could figure out the exact combination of words I need to type to get people like you to put a shotgun into their mouths and get triggered one final time.

Over the top reply, inappropriately worded.

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sandorski

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If you kill yourself over words on the internet you deserve to die. I just wish I could figure out the exact combination of words I need to type to get people like you to put a shotgun into their mouths and get triggered one final time.

Oh, ok.
 

destrekor

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If you kill yourself over words on the internet you deserve to die. I just wish I could figure out the exact combination of words I need to type to get people like you to put a shotgun into their mouths and get triggered one final time.

I don't know, there needs to be some self-control when it comes to internet bullying.

Why? Because suicide is no joke. It's sort of a joke if someone takes an immediate leap and does it on a whim without any issue, but those are rare cases. I reckon that, 99% of the time, they have mental health issues, and I'm a big advocate for proper care and treatment for mental health.

Fuck him.

But with a jail sentence? You serious? Even as an American, where we enjoy free speech, you'd support this?

I find his comments and behavior beyond disgust, but not punishable with jail time. I find that more disgusting than anything.
 

Tweak155

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Sep 23, 2003
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If you kill yourself over words on the internet you deserve to die. I just wish I could figure out the exact combination of words I need to type to get people like you to put a shotgun into their mouths and get triggered one final time.

A little extreme don't you think?
 

mikeymikec

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But with a jail sentence? You serious? Even as an American, where we enjoy free speech, you'd support this?

I find his comments and behavior beyond disgust, but not punishable with jail time. I find that more disgusting than anything.

I think 3 years is a bit much as well, but I do think there needs to be a punishment for people who think they can act in such a despicable manner. If a civilised society doesn't respond in a way that discourages such behaviour, then it is encouraging such people to up their game (as well as other people who think, for example, that such rape comments equate to an acceptance of actual rape).

Another question however is whether 3 years jail time for this offence is on relative terms to other offences that are punished similarly in Australia. It always gets my goat when a given society punishes say possession of a small quantity of cannabis as if the offender is a kingpin, then punishes say someone sharing music online in violation of copyright more harshly than an actual drug dealer.
 

destrekor

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I think 3 years is a bit much as well, but I do think there needs to be a punishment for people who think they can act in such a despicable manner. If a civilised society doesn't respond in a way that discourages such behaviour, then it is encouraging such people to up their game (as well as other people who think, for example, that such rape comments equate to an acceptance of actual rape).

Another question however is whether 3 years jail time for this offence is on relative terms to other offences that are punished similarly in Australia. It always gets my goat when a given society punishes say possession of a small quantity of cannabis as if the offender is a kingpin, then punishes say someone sharing music online in violation of copyright more harshly than an actual drug dealer.

The proper control is for society to ostracize such individuals, not for legal punishment. Not in this case or many cases of similar nature. At least, that's my opinion, and the opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court and our Founding Fathers.

Some things need to be further regulated and changed as our nation ages, but Free Speech should remain as untouched. I dislike that corporations were granted free speech protection by the Supreme Court, but, that's how the system works. But for our society, only the legal definition of slander is punishable. Harassment, however, is not slander.

We as a global society must certainly step up our game with tactics meant to dissuade this type of behavior, which has only grown worse thanks to the ever-present social media, following us around constantly instead of only hearing of it from time to time. But when the punishment and jail system is abused, it does little to actually reform, which makes it worthless IMHO. The use of jailing needs to be far more selective, with in-jail rehabilitation programs that much more personal and effective, but we may never get back to that. At least your jails in the old Commonwealth countries aren't overflowing like ours - outside of free speech, we find reasons to throw an alarming number of persons into jail with outlandish sentences... and it solves nothing save for creative ways to flood our tax dollars into the wrong industries.
 

sandorski

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The proper control is for society to ostracize such individuals, not for legal punishment. Not in this case or many cases of similar nature. At least, that's my opinion, and the opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court and our Founding Fathers.

Some things need to be further regulated and changed as our nation ages, but Free Speech should remain as untouched. I dislike that corporations were granted free speech protection by the Supreme Court, but, that's how the system works. But for our society, only the legal definition of slander is punishable. Harassment, however, is not slander.

We as a global society must certainly step up our game with tactics meant to dissuade this type of behavior, which has only grown worse thanks to the ever-present social media, following us around constantly instead of only hearing of it from time to time. But when the punishment and jail system is abused, it does little to actually reform, which makes it worthless IMHO. The use of jailing needs to be far more selective, with in-jail rehabilitation programs that much more personal and effective, but we may never get back to that. At least your jails in the old Commonwealth countries aren't overflowing like ours - outside of free speech, we find reasons to throw an alarming number of persons into jail with outlandish sentences... and it solves nothing save for creative ways to flood our tax dollars into the wrong industries.

When peoples lives become onerously affected by it, like death in some cases, Ostracizing is not enough. We already have Laws that deal with Speech limits, like Libel laws, because speech can cause harm.
 

mikeymikec

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When peoples lives become onerously affected by it, like death in some cases, Ostracizing is not enough. We already have Laws that deal with Speech limits, like Libel laws, because speech can cause harm.

This touches on what really gets my goat regarding discussions about freedom of speech. Every country has limitations of varying degrees in varying scenarios regarding freedom of speech, yet many people act like "their country has free speech".

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destrekor, a reason why modern societies have laws is to try and ensure that the job of punishing the guilty isn't left to those personally affected by it, so "ostracization" doesn't really make much sense as a solution. It's not perceived as a valid solution any more for any other crime against one's fellow people, so you'd have to try quite hard to come up with reasoning to say why this case is an exception.
 

IGemini

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Exhibit A of why quoting rap on a dating site/app is trashy.

That said, anyone who has the phrase "I would rape you (if)..." in their trolling toolbox befits a punishment of castration more than jail time. Dated too many sexual assault victims to let that shit slide as "just words." Coming across some of the posts from this guy, 3 years seems like getting off light.

With social media, ostracism isn't enough. Get shunned by one group, find another. I'm not sure exactly how stuff like this works in Australia, but if the sentencing has any degree of impact like the US, a felony on Alchin's record seems about as much justice that can be legally had. This article makes it sound like he was more sorry about getting caught than actually being sorry. I'm with jlee, fuck this guy.
 

dawp

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If you kill yourself over words on the internet you deserve to die. I just wish I could figure out the exact combination of words I need to type to get people like you to put a shotgun into their mouths and get triggered one final time.

prime example of what the OP is about.
 

SearchMaster

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Picture is priceless.



Edit: Tiny little baby hands

At first I thought 3 years of jail time was ridiculous and it should be a civil case - let her sue him for all he has and be done with it.

After seeing this picture (and reading all his comments), fuck him, he's a class A douchenozzle who can rot in jail for all I care. Aussie society is better off without him.
 

ioni

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Well, Australia officially stinks.

:Edit: Here is what he is being charged under.

474.17 Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence (1) A person commits an offence if:
(a) the person uses a carriage service; and
(b) the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive.

Just some arbitrary catch all, that can target anyone who gets caught in the crosshairs of some disgusting social media frenzy.

So now the internet is a series of roads with packets delivered by a carriage?
 

Charmonium

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So how does this work? He could have said all of those things to her in person but once he goes online, it's no longer protected speech?

OK, I can see the difference there in the sense that in the latter case you have a potentially much larger audience but why should that be the critical factor?

The guy is obviously a dick and there are definitely some people I know IRL that I would love to call the cops on for being such douche bags, but if I actually could do that, I think I'd be more scared than gratified.
 

DrunkenSano

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The guy is a douche but people on the internet need to grow a thicker skin. It's the internet. If you can't handle the internet, don't go on the internet.
 
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