Troops silent to Obama's arrival

[abaez]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
once again


why does it matter who the troops like?

It's an interesting analysis, not necessarily about the Military but about Obama. I for one, would hate to be a soldier under Obama because I'd have absolutely zero confidence that he knows what he's doing. Everyone could be wrong of course, but we have no reason to believe that Obama will a good commander in chief, where Bush has proven himself a great commander of the troops, and they love him for it.

Bush has been a fucking terrible commander of the troops, the fact that any of them at all still support him says a lot about those individuals (none of it very good). He's shown he's willing to sacrifice them for political gain in a heartbeat, and that he supports them only as much as is political convenient. He's willing to waste their lives on a pointless mission because it helps him get reelected, and he's show that he only cares about their problems when it's a good photo-op. Obama may be an unknown, but Bush has spent his entire Presidency demonstrating that his a fucking disgrace as Commander in Chief.

Not from myself or the vast majority of the troops point of view. They believe in the mission, they believe the mission is just. We've had a decent discussion going but the assertion that Bush made military decisions for political gain is just a flat out lie. If you have some proof to backup the claim i'd love to see them, but I have no reason to believe he was a "bad commander in chief" for the Military.

On the other hand, Democrats calling the war a loss while men and women from their state are over there dying, is what you call spineless traitors who should be hung to tell you the truth.

Do you have any proof to backup the claim that Bush has been a "great commander of the troops" ?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
On the other hand, Democrats calling the war a loss while men and women from their state are over there dying, is what you call spineless traitors who should be hung to tell you the truth.

You are a horrifying individual. We lost the Vietnam War. Does that make me a traitor? :roll:

Honestly, the Iraq War was a waste of lives and resources. We should have improved our failing infrastructure, or perhaps improved our public school system, or perhaps revamped our moronic healthcare institution, or perhaps done a million other things that serve a purpose.

The Iraq War was purposeless. We threw away thousands of soldiers' lives for a lie.

The ones responsible for falsely accusing Saddam Hussein of being linked to 9/11 and then committing us to war are the traitors who should be hung to tell you the truth.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Everyone could be wrong of course, but we have no reason to believe that Obama will a good commander in chief, where Bush has proven himself a great commander of the troops, and they love him for it.

based on what?

The big one for me is that he had the resolve to stay the course, despite the nearly demon pitched screeching coming from the left.

might as well credit the bus driver that has the convictions to stay the course and drive his bus off a cliff. Do you have any more coherent arguments? 'Staying the course' isn't a moral or logical judgment, its an action without any meaning of its own.

That only makes sense if we run with the premise that the Iraq war is perfectly analogous with running a bus off a cliff.

it certainly has enough similarities to make an analogy out of it, far more than anything you've contributed to this thread

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
IMO, BHO gets props for going there and meeting with them while on vacation.

Noteworthy.

Originally posted by: winnar111
I suggest they have better judgment than the American public.

Based on what? Your OP suggests that it's because they like Bush but if anything the facts suggest that that shows poor judgment.

[/quote]Apparently the troops are stupid, but the welfare bottom feeders who can't afford healthcare are geniuses.[/quote]

This is totally irrelevant. And I don't really think anyone is arguing that people on welfare are more likely to be geniuses than anyone else.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Everyone could be wrong of course, but we have no reason to believe that Obama will a good commander in chief, where Bush has proven himself a great commander of the troops, and they love him for it.

based on what?

The big one for me is that he had the resolve to stay the course, despite the nearly demon pitched screeching coming from the left.

might as well credit the bus driver that has the convictions to stay the course and drive his bus off a cliff. Do you have any more coherent arguments? 'Staying the course' isn't a moral or logical judgment, its an action without any meaning of its own.

That only makes sense if we run with the premise that the Iraq war is perfectly analogous with running a bus off a cliff.

Let's see. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq. Saddam Hussein was a secular ruler (albeit a bloodthirsty and dangerous one) and was willing to use excessive force to quash any religious extremists, especially Islamic fundamentalists whom he viewed as a potential threat. Why again did we go into Iraq after the country was attacked by Al Qaeda and Islamic extremists? Why didn't we finish the job in Afghanistan first?

Bush sure did steer the bus in the wrong direction. Given that there's now Al Qaeda in Iraq where there wasn't before, given that Bush squandered all the sympathy in the Islamic (and non-Islamic) world after 9/11 and replaced it with resentment and hostility towards an occupying American force, given the country has amassed a tremendous debt in "the Vietnam of our generation", you could make a pretty good analogy to his actions being like driving the bus off a cliff.

 

[Xellos2099]

To be completely honest, the money that was used in Iraq is nothing compare to the social benefit going to the illegal immigrant in the country. And if Saddam is such a great leader and has nothing to hide from the inspector, why did he prevent them access to certain area of Iraq?

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
To be completely honest, the money that was used in Iraq is nothing compare to the social benefit going to the illegal immigrant in the country. And if Saddam is such a great leader and has nothing to hide from the inspector, why did he prevent them access to certain area of Iraq?

Let's take a quick look at actual numbers. One (arguably biased) source places the illegal alien population at under 14 million. And what will the bill for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars grow to year? An estimated trillion dollars. So, we're looking at more than $70k per illegal immigrant. And remember, for each illegal, we've got 20 Americans. Have you and 19 other people you know gotten $70k in benefits? Seems to be me cost of the war dwarfs any social benefits going to the illegal immigrant in the country.

And that doesn't include the facts that we're financing this war and will have to pay interest on the bill, that indirect costs like that oil bubble we suffered post war, and the cost of lives and injuries suffered.

How do you take "secular" and "bloodthirsty and dangerous" and end up with "great leader"? Is that your benchmark for Bush? Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Any Al Qaeda and radical Islamic presence in Iraq was being crushed by Saddam Hussein. How is the current state of Iraq safer for the United States now that it's a terrorist breeding grounds?