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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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But higher salaries ARE earned. They are obtained via getting a promotion or moving to a job that's harder or has higher requirements, which means you are taking on more responsibility and working harder. The problem with inflation is that it basically devalues our work. You try to get ahead, but you're not really getting ahead. Same with investing. You can put a bit of money on the side to invest, but whatever gains you got over many years just get offset by inflation. Inflation is a bad thing. Only the rich and the government benefit from it.
Do you ever get a raise at your job?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,631
6,194
126
I'm gonna go get a Job as a Billionaire. Then I'll tell others to get a Promotion or a new Job like I did.

Problem solved. Why hasn't anyone else thought about it? It's because I'm a genius...

All wages need to rise with Inflation or everyone gets impoverished.
 
Dec 10, 2005
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I'm gonna go get a Job as a Billionaire. Then I'll tell others to get a Promotion or a new Job like I did.

Problem solved. Why hasn't anyone else thought about it? It's because I'm a genius...

All wages need to rise with Inflation or everyone gets impoverished.
Good news then: in aggregate, wages are outpacing inflation.

And it's also almost always been true that the biggest raises come through job switching.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,631
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Good news then: in aggregate, wages are outpacing inflation.

And it's also almost always been true that the biggest raises come through job switching.
If people need to switch jobs to cope with Inflation, point 1 seems questionable. Our baseline expectations of what the Economy should be doing is inadequate to begin with. There are Hard Working people who are Homeless. There was a time when this was not an issue. Until some Wealthy convinced Governments to help suppress the wages the vast majority relied on.
 
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Dec 10, 2005
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If people need to switch jobs to cope with Inflation, point 1 seems questionable. Our baseline expectations of what the Economy should be doing is inadequate to begin with. There are Hard Working people who are Homeless. There was a time when this was not an issue. Until some Wealthy convinced Governments to help suppress the wages the vast majority relied on.
Switching jobs is something people should always consider if they want more money, regardless of inflation.

As for homelessness, there is a solution for that too: allow more homes of all shapes and sizes to be built in the places people want to live. It's a really big problem that old, used homes have skyrocketed in cost and moved them out of reach of so many.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Switching jobs is something people should always consider if they want more money, regardless of inflation.

As for homelessness, there is a solution for that too: allow more homes of all shapes and sizes to be built in the places people want to live. It's a really big problem that old, used homes have skyrocketed in cost and moved them out of reach of so many.
And locations. This is where I was born and going to die is old school crap.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
33,214
16,505
136
Jesus Christ, the stupidity. Sales tax already takes inflation into account BECAUSE it's percentage based. The price of goods go up and the taxes collected also goes up because the sales tax takes a PERCENTAGE of that.

Yes congratulation you've just now learned that the cost of living rises every year, as it always has. That's why cost of living raises are a thing. I'm sure putting pro business politicians in office will increase the cost of living raises that business give out

Red highlights the real issue, an ignorant populace. Despite explaining to him how things work like taxes, inflation, do you think he’ll adjust his thinking? No. So how do we educate the public so they learn these basic facts unwittingly?
 
Dec 10, 2005
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Red highlights the real issue, an ignorant populace. Despite explaining to him how things work like taxes, inflation, do you think he’ll adjust his thinking? No. So how do we educate the public so they learn these basic facts unwittingly?
You'll never convince the people already in the deep end. The only hope is that public discourse is like a play, and you'll capture the fence sitters who don't think too hard one way or the other on the issue.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
69,729
13,348
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www.betteroff.ca
Do you ever get a raise at your job?

Depends on how good of a contract we get. Our last contract saw the best increases ever, it was 2% for 4 years in a row. Still not enough to make up for increasing costs of living though. This is our last year in this contract, I don't imagine we will get raises in our next one as we'll just be told we got good ones last contract and should be lucky we got that. Typically we get something like 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1 for a 4 year contract. But lot of them it's zero. This was our first contract in a while that we got something.

Switching jobs is also not really the answer, I look around for fun sometimes, there's really not much that pays this good without requiring very special skills completely outside of my field, ex: would require going back to school. Can't afford to have zero income for 3-4 years. And even if I found something in my field it still means starting over. Back to 2 weeks of vacation, lower on to totem pole of seniority, lower salary etc. It just makes no sense in may aspects.

Long term, moving on the off grid property is still going to be my best bet if I want to keep a quality of life vs work ratio and actually get to retire at a decent age. What I'll probably end up doing is finding some sort of gig I can do remotely, or in summer only. Won't pay as much as my current job, but with my low expenses I'll get to pocket most of the money I do make. That will go towards hobbies, improvements on the property etc.

I do worry that at some point they change the rules and start taxing these areas at a similar rate as the city as sometimes amalgamations happen. I'm far enough from the boundary that I don't think it's going to happen though.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
29,050
29,170
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Depends on how good of a contract we get. Our last contract saw the best increases ever, it was 2% for 4 years in a row. Still not enough to make up for increasing costs of living though. This is our last year in this contract, I don't imagine we will get raises in our next one as we'll just be told we got good ones last contract and should be lucky we got that. Typically we get something like 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1 for a 4 year contract. But lot of them it's zero. This was our first contract in a while that we got something.

Switching jobs is also not really the answer, I look around for fun sometimes, there's really not much that pays this good without requiring very special skills completely outside of my field, ex: would require going back to school. Can't afford to have zero income for 3-4 years. And even if I found something in my field it still means starting over. Back to 2 weeks of vacation, lower on to totem pole of seniority, lower salary etc. It just makes no sense in may aspects.

Long term, moving on the off grid property is still going to be my best bet if I want to keep a quality of life vs work ratio and actually get to retire at a decent age. What I'll probably end up doing is finding some sort of gig I can do remotely, or in summer only. Won't pay as much as my current job, but with my low expenses I'll get to pocket most of the money I do make. That will go towards hobbies, improvements on the property etc.

I do worry that at some point they change the rules and start taxing these areas at a similar rate as the city as sometimes amalgamations happen. I'm far enough from the boundary that I don't think it's going to happen though.
So you are in a union?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Depends on how good of a contract we get. Our last contract saw the best increases ever, it was 2% for 4 years in a row. Still not enough to make up for increasing costs of living though. This is our last year in this contract, I don't imagine we will get raises in our next one as we'll just be told we got good ones last contract and should be lucky we got that. Typically we get something like 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1 for a 4 year contract. But lot of them it's zero. This was our first contract in a while that we got something.
Uhh, those aren't good. Those are the kind of 'raises' i got working at walmart.

You need to work for a professional company who treats their employees like professionals.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
69,729
13,348
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www.betteroff.ca
Uhh, those aren't good. Those are the kind of 'raises' i got working at walmart.

You need to work for a professional company who treats their employees like professionals.

It's like that everywhere, companies are feeling the squeeze just as much as we are. At the end of the day they still have to please the shareholders so the employees are not exactly priority. But it's not better anywhere else. Even the mines are struggling right now and one of the largest basemetal mines in the world here in Canada is actually rumoured to close soon. My company is actually in the top 100 employers in Canada.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
98,822
17,302
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It's like that everywhere, companies are feeling the squeeze just as much as we are. At the end of the day they still have to please the shareholders so the employees are not exactly priority. But it's not better anywhere else. Even the mines are struggling right now and one of the largest basemetal mines in the world here in Canada is actually rumoured to close soon. My company is actually in the top 100 employers in Canada.

The execs are getting fat bonuses while slashing jobs. These are the people you support. Stop supporting the enemy.


 
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yottabit

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Jun 5, 2008
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It's like that everywhere, companies are feeling the squeeze just as much as we are. At the end of the day they still have to please the shareholders so the employees are not exactly priority. But it's not better anywhere else. Even the mines are struggling right now and one of the largest basemetal mines in the world here in Canada is actually rumoured to close soon. My company is actually in the top 100 employers in Canada.
It’s absolutely not like that “everywhere”. When is the last time you applied for other jobs? You act like you have omnipotent knowledge of the job market and it is really hurting you. I think many of us actually want what’s best for you and that’s why it’s painful for us to see.

If your employer isn’t providing annual raises to keep up with cost of living then you’re effectively getting pay cuts every year.

It’s common and I would say even the standard in professional fields to get annual raises that at least mostly keep pace with cost of living. However it is much harder to get “real wage growth” and that may require job hopping or promotions etc.

For example: Since 2021 my wages are up 35%, about 15% of that is from accepting a new position (which was not really much extra work) and constitutes almost the entirety of the “real wage growth” and the remaining 20% is the result of annual 4-6% raises. This is all with the same company.

The only time we ever had a pay freeze (no raise) was in 2020 at the peak of COVID

This is a US based company with Canadian offices, I work with Canadians quite a lot and am familiar with the job market up there too.

You seem to have good enough IT and programming skills that I’m convinced if you applied yourself you could do lucrative work on the side, remotely. Look for US based companies to work for. The exchange rate really works in your favor there
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
31,565
49,472
136
Canada has a new PM


When Trudeau announced his resignation the Cons had more than a 20 point lead, it's been disintegrated and Liberals appear to have a slight lead in the latest polls

 

eelw

Lifer
Dec 4, 1999
10,190
5,290
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Canada has a new PM


When Trudeau announced his resignation the Cons had more than a 20 point lead, it's been disintegrated and Liberals appear to have a slight lead in the latest polls

Our Conservative party is Maple MAGA. So the anti American hate has greatly united Canada back left. While I doubt the Liberals will win the federal election, it won’t be a majority win. So as long the liberals are the opposition (well even if not, NDP and Bloc won’t side with them) will block any insane anti DEI policies.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
25,873
24,206
136
Depends on how good of a contract we get. Our last contract saw the best increases ever, it was 2% for 4 years in a row. Still not enough to make up for increasing costs of living though. This is our last year in this contract, I don't imagine we will get raises in our next one as we'll just be told we got good ones last contract and should be lucky we got that. Typically we get something like 0.5, 0.5, 1, 1 for a 4 year contract. But lot of them it's zero. This was our first contract in a while that we got something.

Switching jobs is also not really the answer, I look around for fun sometimes, there's really not much that pays this good without requiring very special skills completely outside of my field, ex: would require going back to school. Can't afford to have zero income for 3-4 years. And even if I found something in my field it still means starting over. Back to 2 weeks of vacation, lower on to totem pole of seniority, lower salary etc. It just makes no sense in may aspects.

Long term, moving on the off grid property is still going to be my best bet if I want to keep a quality of life vs work ratio and actually get to retire at a decent age. What I'll probably end up doing is finding some sort of gig I can do remotely, or in summer only. Won't pay as much as my current job, but with my low expenses I'll get to pocket most of the money I do make. That will go towards hobbies, improvements on the property etc.

I do worry that at some point they change the rules and start taxing these areas at a similar rate as the city as sometimes amalgamations happen. I'm far enough from the boundary that I don't think it's going to happen though.
You can't work while you go to school so you'd have years of no income? You are just a lazy bum. I'm not a big workaholic but when I went back to college in my later twenties I worked two jobs and went full time. My tuition was paid for, I just worked for living expenses.

You know how many people work and go to college or university?

You are the usual right wing pick yourself up by the bootstraps hypocrite, you won't lift a finger to do it yourself. Sad. Just disgusting really.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,883
12,165
136
Our Conservative party is Maple MAGA. So the anti American hate has greatly united Canada back left. While I doubt the Liberals will win the federal election, it won’t be a majority win. So as long the liberals are the opposition (well even if not, NDP and Bloc won’t side with them) will block any insane anti DEI policies.
Wow that polling flip is wild
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
69,729
13,348
126
www.betteroff.ca
We flushed a turd, and now there's already another in the toilet. Hopefully people are smart during the actual election which is rumoured to be in late April or early May. We need serious governmental change here and not some insider full of conflicts of interests. Carney actually moved his company to the states, so he has no intention to make Canada a good place to do business if he felt his company would not do well here. He's also part of the WEF among many other boards. He's a true insider.

The propaganda machine has been working full time though and the polls don't look good. We need to get rid of the liberals entirely, it was not just Trudeau the issue but the entire ideology of the party, he was just the leader of it. I watched a lot of the Liberal speeches and there is zero substance to it, it's all word salad and they don't even address the major issues we face such as cost of living, crime rate, drugs, mass immigration, homelessness, etc... All the problems they created in the past 10 years. Only Poilievre actually wants to address those things. He also has a better plan to deal with the tariffs, such as diversifying our exports, building pipelines, refining our own oil etc. We should be more self sufficient, while also diversifying our exports.

I think what we're seeing with Carney is the Kamala effect though. Same thing happened with her. Ratings went sky high but it was a dud. What people need to realize is that Poilievre would actually be more democrat than conservative in the states. The left keeps saying he's Canada Trump but he's not even close. All the "maple maga" stuff is just to scare people. What's weird to me is how liberals don't like the idea of wanting to improve the country. That's what maga means. To make things better. Just shows how people can be sheep though and fall for propaganda. This is why independent media is so important, and also why the liberals have been trying to clamp down on it. They even want to start banning websites like X and highly regulate what you're allowed to say online. The real facists are the people that actually support this sort of iron fist ruling.

Pierre nails it here:

 
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