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yottabit

Golden Member
Jun 5, 2008
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A simpler tax system could be 99.9% automated electronically. It's already partially there, taxes come off your pay cheque. So get rid of all the weird rules where you can end up owing more, or getting a return, just make it so the right amount always gets taken out, streamline the entire system so it's simpler and easier to automate, no more tax season. In an ideal world we'd also get rid of sales tax, that is one of the most complicated taxes to administer, a lot of the burden goes on business owners but some on the government too. Just use income tax for the things sales tax cover, we pay more than enough, they just need to budget better. Ideally there should be one central tax system that then distributes to the provinces, and then municipalities based on a formula that accounts for land mass and population. Whole thing could be automated by a small server farm, along with many government systems, then have a team of maybe 10 IT people whose job is to just maintain these systems and make sure they work. Instead of 1,000's of bureaucrats doing stuff manually.

And yes for once I agree with the fox, all the compliance and red tape stuff also generates lot of inefficiency. Need to streamline lot of that stuff. Trying to get anything done these days like running a business or building something, and the government rears it's ugly ass in your face and slows things down, and all these departments cost tax payer money.
Given your expertise and amount of things you think you could run on a small server farm in a shed, you should really found a startup company and go after private equity investment

It sounds like at a bare minimum you should be able to host:
  • Twitter
  • Anandtech Forums
  • The entire Canadian government
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
61,536
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In government services, like hospital and OPP. It is not a hard concept, as a region the North got 19 dollar more in government services than provincial tax you paid.
Alas, you've got to bear in mind your target audience.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
21,865
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Yeah, most of the tax is collected from the urban areas then redistributed to the more sparsely populated areas cuz they cannot support the services needed with the local tax base. Of course we are talking average households. I don't mind it, I just hate hearing people like nutty Squirrel bitching about taxes.
How could it be any other way? You would have to have city states to correct the imbalance.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I am not interested in correcting it. I just don't want to hear from people receiving subsidy complain about their taxes.

It's not a subsidy, it's just normal cash flow of tax dollars. There's less people here than there is in the south, we all pay taxes, but the math just works out in a way that makes it appear like the south sends us money because there's more tax dollars paid in the south than here because math. I mean sure, sometimes some projects get extra funding such as rebuilding parts of our highway but that's the exception not the rule, sometimes my tax fund stuff down south too like massive transit projects.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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It's not a subsidy, it's just normal cash flow of tax dollars. There's less people here than there is in the south, we all pay taxes, but the math just works out in a way that makes it appear like the south sends us money because there's more tax dollars paid in the south than here because math. I mean sure, sometimes some projects get extra funding such as rebuilding parts of our highway but that's the exception not the rule, sometimes my tax fund stuff down south too like massive transit projects.
If a population cannot afford to maintain its infrastructure, it get subsidized by someone else. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a normal aspect of how modern civilization works, but don't pretend words don't mean what they mean just because you have a negative association with said word.
 

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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I am not interested in correcting it. I just don't want to hear from people receiving subsidy complain about their taxes.
This seems like a contrived complaint. I assume the folks in the less populated areas have the same tax rate as those in the more densely populated areas. So everyone is paying their share. That infrastructure and services lose some economy due to scale is a given, but the idea that those people are less deserving or getting a better deal is simply incorrect.
 
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sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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This seems like a contrived complaint. I assume the folks in the less populated areas have the same tax rate as those in the more densely populated areas. So everyone is paying their share. That infrastructure and services lose some economy due to scale is a given, but the idea that those people are less deserving or getting a better deal is simply incorrect.
What better deal is there? Nutty Squirrel is sure he pays more tax while ignoring he is being subsidized.
 
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sdifox

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It's not a subsidy, it's just normal cash flow of tax dollars. There's less people here than there is in the south, we all pay taxes, but the math just works out in a way that makes it appear like the south sends us money because there's more tax dollars paid in the south than here because math. I mean sure, sometimes some projects get extra funding such as rebuilding parts of our highway but that's the exception not the rule, sometimes my tax fund stuff down south too like massive transit projects.


You fail at math then.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
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This seems like a contrived complaint. I assume the folks in the less populated areas have the same tax rate as those in the more densely populated areas. So everyone is paying their share. That infrastructure and services lose some economy due to scale is a given, but the idea that those people are less deserving or getting a better deal is simply incorrect.

Conservatives are the first people to claim that urban governments are not living within their means and the last people to suggest that their own rural areas are not doing the same.

The asymmetry of who they think is deserving or not is pretty clear.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I never said I pay more. Just said too much, we ALL pay too much. Rates need to be much lower.
In order for Northern dwellers to contribute to Southern projects, the revenue from the North must exceed its expenditure. Again, simple math.


You are already getting all of your provincial tax dollars back (plus 19 dollars) to your community and you want it even lower? Here is the 2024-25 Ontario Budget. Education and Health is more than 60% of the budget, you tell me how to cut this budget so it is only 10% of Ontario GDP like you want. BTW this is greater than the projected 212B revenue.


 
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Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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How? You Cost more, we have Deficits, but you want to Pay even less. We skimming money from a parallel Dimension?

They just need to spend less all around. Lots of dead weight positions in government making 6 figures. Start there. Lots of make work projects too that need to go. It's madness that we pay about half our wage in taxes once you add them all up, yet they still manage to be in record debt. They need to cut spending across the board. We need someone radical like Elon Musk that comes in and makes a bunch of cuts, like he did with Twitter. This needs to happen at all levels of government, but start with the feds.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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They just need to spend less all around. Lots of dead weight positions in government making 6 figures. Start there. Lots of make work projects too that need to go. It's madness that we pay about half our wage in taxes once you add them all up, yet they still manage to be in record debt. They need to cut spending across the board. We need someone radical like Elon Musk that comes in and makes a bunch of cuts, like he did with Twitter. This needs to happen at all levels of government, but start with the feds.
Elon breaking Twitter ultimately doesn't really matter, someone like Elon breaking your government would absolutely result in people dying.
You can't seriously want someone to do to your country what Elon did to Twitter!
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Elon breaking Twitter ultimately doesn't really matter, someone like Elon breaking your government would absolutely result in people dying.
You can't seriously want someone to do to your country what Elon did to Twitter!
You continue to give him far, far, far too much credit.
Besides, the only people that would die would be the undesireables, and Jesus doesn't love them anyway.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Elon breaking Twitter ultimately doesn't really matter, someone like Elon breaking your government would absolutely result in people dying.
You can't seriously want someone to do to your country what Elon did to Twitter!
Twitter works fine though? Occasional glitches once in a while but every platform experiences that.

He also built a data centre in months for Grok. If the government did a project of that scale it would cost 100x more and take 10 years. And it would end up not working.
 
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nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Ah, the Grok data center that does not actually have enough power.

“It's been pretty astounding the lack of transparency and the pace at which this project has proceeded,” Amanda Garcia, a senior attorney at the Southern Environmental Law Center, says. “We learn something new every week.”

For instance, there’s a major divide between how much electricity xAI wants to use, and how much MLGW can provide. In August, the utility company said that xAI would have access to 50 megawatts of power. But xAI wants to use triple that amount—which, for comparison, is enough energy to power 80,000 households.

And Garcia, at the SELC, says that while xAI waits for more power to become available, they’ve turned to non-legal measures to sate their demand, by installing gas combustion turbines on the site that they are operating without a permit. Garcia says the SELC has observed the installation of 18 such turbines, which have the capacity to emit 130 tons of harmful nitrogen oxides per year. The SELC and community groups sent a letter to the Shelby County Health Department demanding their removal—but the health department responded by claiming the turbines were out of their authority, and referred them to the EPA. The EPA told NPR that it was “looking into the matter.” A representative for xAI did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Data centers use water to cool their computers and stop them from overheating. So far xAI has drawn 30,000 gallons from the Memphis Sand Aquifer, the region’s drinking water supply, every day since beginning its initial operations, according to MLGW
Wow, sounds great... I'll say it once again, something terrible can't possibly happen to Musk soon enough.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
32,569
10,757
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Twitter works fine though? Occasional glitches once in a while but every platform experiences that.
Does twitter work fine though? Advertisers don't think so. And people don't really notice "occasion glitches" in social media platforms. People notice when everything run by the government stops working.
He also built a data centre in months for Grok. If the government did a project of that scale it would cost 100x more and take 10 years. And it would end up not working.
There's not something magical about the way he builds stuff. The phrase "move fast and break things" is a phase that springs to mind and it's fine for stuff that doesn't really matter like Grok, it's not fine for stuff that might kill people.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,670
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They just need to spend less all around. Lots of dead weight positions in government making 6 figures. Start there. Lots of make work projects too that need to go. It's madness that we pay about half our wage in taxes once you add them all up, yet they still manage to be in record debt. They need to cut spending across the board. We need someone radical like Elon Musk that comes in and makes a bunch of cuts, like he did with Twitter. This needs to happen at all levels of government, but start with the feds.
You assume so. This is always the mantra, Programs/Infrastructure get more corners cut is the reality. Government is more efficient than Private Enterprise. Unless you elect Grifters and Criminals.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
72,226
32,637
136
This seems like a contrived complaint. I assume the folks in the less populated areas have the same tax rate as those in the more densely populated areas. So everyone is paying their share. That infrastructure and services lose some economy due to scale is a given, but the idea that those people are less deserving or getting a better deal is simply incorrect.
Rural areas tax themselves less, knowing that they can mooch off the cities.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
25,548
11,929
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They just need to spend less all around. Lots of dead weight positions in government making 6 figures. Start there. Lots of make work projects too that need to go. It's madness that we pay about half our wage in taxes once you add them all up, yet they still manage to be in record debt. They need to cut spending across the board. We need someone radical like Elon Musk that comes in and makes a bunch of cuts, like he did with Twitter. This needs to happen at all levels of government, but start with the feds.
Yea, none of that ever happens in private industry. You be amazed at how much dead weight there is everywhere.
 
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