Trudeau resigns.

[K1052]

Trump managed to flip the Canadian electorate in 100 days.

The dude has no guardrails this time around and there is no limit to the idiocy he can inflict. He’s only 7% into his second term and the dick shooting is just getting started!

I hate to be the guy who says this time is different, but this time is very very different.

The big differences with the UK political situation are 1) Trump is right next door 2) The economy is way more intertwined with the US 3) He keeps suggesting annexation peacefully or potentially otherwise. The way this pressures the Canadian electorate is way different, more intense, and likely to have longer lasting political repercussions.

 

[eelw]

Yup this was why many changed from voting 3rd party of NDP and Bloc to choose country over party by voting against Maple MAGA. But sadly conservatives that normally only get 34% of the vote increased to 40%. Like we saw what happens when people vote against "inflation" and choose the fascist party by our neighbours to the south.

 

[coldmeat]

Our conservative incumbent won for the 9th time, and the ndp support here basically disappeared. Real shame but at least nationally it wasn’t a catastrophe.

Before I voted I hiked the trails by my voting location with my dog and a couple friends. Both friends are left leaning and refused to vote when it would have taken 5 minutes and we were already there.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Both friends are left leaning and refused to vote when it would have taken 5 minutes and we were already there.

Let me guess. Because the Center-Left government didn't deliver free unicorn rides last time?

Mobilization is where we often lose ground.

The Right Wing has no trouble mobilizing by pushing hot button fear/ignorance/hate topics: "Brown people with bigger dicks than you are coming for our white women, or a gay person might use a bathroom you don't like (which is apparently any bathroom), or immigrants will take back breaking jobs picking vegetables for less than minimum wage so you can buy groceries", etc... Then they get angry/afraid and run out and vote.

Meanwhile: On the Center-Left: "Democracy is at stake from literal Nazis so it would be nice if you could come out and vote to stop them" --- "Did you free Palestine, create peace in the middle east, and cure cancer last time? No, well then I don't know if it's worth my effort to go and vote, given that you did so little..."

 

[cytg111]

#WINNING

The resistance is real. Get some.

 

[coldmeat]

Let me guess. Because the Center-Left government didn't deliver free unicorn rides last time?

I think it was more that they felt their vote didn't matter because we live in a riding that goes hard conservative every election. I think there are a lot of people here who feel that way though, and if all of them voted...

 

[Iron Woode]

the vote counting continues today. It appears that the Liberals need 4 more seats to have a majority government.

 

[MrSquished]

I got to say the chef's kiss of all this is that beavertail Trump lost his own seat. I mean that's just so fucking lovely.

 

[sdifox]

the vote counting continues today. It appears that the Liberals need 4 more seats to have a majority government.

Even though there are 11 seats in play, I just don't see them picking up 4 more.

 

[iCyborg]

Even though there are 11 seats in play, I just don't see them picking up 4 more.

It's 11 seats where conservatives are leading.
There are currently 28 seats in play and liberals are leading in 13. The 168 figure includes those 13, so they need to not just flip 4, but also not lose any of the 13 they are in the lead.
I agree that it's unlikely. TBH, I might even prefer minority government, it puts some restraint on what they can push through.

 

[Heartbreaker]

TBH, I might even prefer minority government, it puts some restraint on what they can push through.

I don't at all. What would you really worry about Carney doing?

If the Liberals had a majority, PP might have decided to go away. Instead I have to listen to him try to bring down the government for the next X years until he succeeds, when we should be focusing on the very grave threat from Trump.

If there was ever a time to not have a minority government, this was it.

 

[sdifox]

It's 11 seats where conservatives are leading.
There are currently 28 seats in play and liberals are leading in 13. The 168 figure includes those 13, so they need to not just flip 4, but also not lose any of the 13 they are in the lead.
I agree that it's unlikely. TBH, I might even prefer minority government, it puts some restraint on what they can push through.

just repeating what I heard on the CBC coverage on YT.

 

[Indus]

This is us today of how we feel about our Canadian neighbors!

 

[MrSquished]

I'd prefer if the liberals needed more seats than 4 to make a majority and had to make concessions to actual progressives to get a majority, instead of just feeling free to be their neo-liberal selves, which is what failed the Dems here, and what failed Trudeau.

 

[sdifox]

Liberals now looking at 169 seats instead of 168. Terrebonne flips from BQ to Liberals, but since it is so close it automatically goes to recount. 35 vote margin.

 

[linkgoron]

It's 11 seats where conservatives are leading.
There are currently 28 seats in play and liberals are leading in 13. The 168 figure includes those 13, so they need to not just flip 4, but also not lose any of the 13 they are in the lead.
I agree that it's unlikely. TBH, I might even prefer minority government, it puts some restraint on what they can push through.

Why couldn't they form a coalition with NDP? I'd assume that the parties are close enough, and coalitions are fairly common in parliamentary democracies.

 

[sdifox]

Why couldn't they form a coalition with SDP? I'd assume that the parties are close enough, and coalitions are fairly common in parliamentary democracies.

Probably because SDP is not Canadian xd

 

[Heartbreaker]

Why couldn't they form a coalition with SDP? I'd assume that the parties are close enough, and coalitions are fairly common in parliamentary democracies.

Canadian minorities usually just try to find votes on each piece of legislation rather than have a formal coalition.

Coalitions also fall apart with regularity. Often at inconvenient times. We had a somewhat early election in part because the NDP ended their formal coalition with the Liberals, after they extracted whatever they could get, and then said the would introduce a motion of non-confidence and vote to bring down the government. So thanks for all the stuff, we are now going to torpedo your Government.

Also after turning on the Liberals, the NDP was speaking out against the Carbon Tax which they previously supported. Trudeau at least had the courage of his convictions and was not backing down on the Carbon Tax. I think these actions probably helped to sink the NDP in the election.

Other than falling apart at a potentially bad time, there is the price are they asking for a formal coalition, which may be financially and/or politically untenable.

 

[linkgoron]

Probably because SDP is not Canadian xd

lol, obviously meant NDP of course.

 

[sdifox]

We have had continuous Liberal minority givernment from 2019. NDP got their Pharmacare and Dental care rolling because of minority government.

 

[Denly]

ATL is so blue it is scary; Carney will need to do something with that Maple MAGA Smith.

 

[Heartbreaker]

ATL is so blue it is scary; Carney will need to do something with that Maple MAGA Smith.

Canada concentrates most of it's Texas and Florida there.

 

[eelw]

ATL is so blue it is scary; Carney will need to do something with that Maple MAGA Smith.

Lol what? Deport her?

 

[iCyborg]

I don't at all. What would you really worry about Carney doing?

If the Liberals had a majority, PP might have decided to go away. Instead I have to listen to him try to bring down the government for the next X years until he succeeds, when we should be focusing on the very grave threat from Trump.

If there was ever a time to not have a minority government, this was it.

I hinted in my previous post that I voted for LIB more because of "lesser of two evils" reasons than because I'm enthusiastic about Carney. I don't like their budget plan, there's always a "crisis of the day" and LIB have only one arrow in their quiver - more taxes, even more govt spending and ever growing debt. E.g. I would regret my vote if they bring back capital inclusion rate hike.
I do like his economic background so we'll see.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I hinted in my previous post that I voted for LIB more because of "lesser of two evils" reasons than because I'm enthusiastic about Carney. I don't like their budget plan, there's always a "crisis of the day" and LIB have only one arrow in their quiver - more taxes, even more govt spending and ever growing debt. E.g. I would regret my vote if they bring back capital inclusion rate hike.
I do like his economic background so we'll see.

So you would really have preferred conservatives, but just a little less MAGA flavored?

This might be a shocker, but the two parties they may need to pass legislation are the ones that will likely push for more spending, so having a minority makes that more likely not less.